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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Well, for many of us, it's the fact that historically we don't run calls for anywhere close to "the entire 24 hour shift".
    I had originally put in a comment to be careful about how you answer the question. Then I removed it. This was the exact response I wanted. Now think about this from the tax payer point of view, the guy who actually does have to work the entire time he is at work.

    So you aren't working the entire time, you want to work a 24 hour shift, and you want to sleep while working. Talk about the best of all worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    You didn't answer my question. Are you talking about changing the staffing levels on the units or changing the number of units in service for these peak/non-peak times?

    It is, I've done it in my department. It can also be quite a challenge on some calls with only 5-7 on-duty (like we do now).
    Again this is department dependent. In your case, you have 5 to 7 on duty and only do fire calls. Hard to vary that at all. In larger cities with multiple stations you can reduce staffing on each rig, with more rigs responding form other areas. Obviously response times go down at 3 am as traffic levels are lower. If you are doing EMS instead of having 4 rigs ready to go you might have just 2 rigs.

    It also depends on your mutual aid agreements as well. I know around here the paid guys don't even hesitate to call in volunteers for help. Matter of fact, often they call the volunteers before calling in other paid departments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    This was the exact response I wanted. Now think about this from the tax payer point of view, the guy who actually does have to work the entire time he is at work.
    This was the exact admission I wanted...you're a troll.

    So you aren't working the entire time, you want to work a 24 hour shift, and you want to sleep while working. Talk about the best of all worlds.
    Exactly, it IS the best of all words... hence your impotent jealous rage about it. Like I said--couldn't pass the police academy entrance exam, failed the CPAT (judging by your post counts, apparently haulin your butt out of the computer chair qualifies as "cardio" for you), so now you're comin on here and cryin. lol. It's quite cute, really.
    Did the city council laugh you out of their chambers when you brought this argument up? So the best you can do is come here and sniffle-sniffle cry-cry? lmao. Pathetic, really.
    My opinions might coincide with someone of importance's POV... I wouldn't know, since I never bothered to ask. My policy is: "Don't ask, don't care."

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    Quote Originally Posted by the1141man View Post
    This was the exact admission I wanted...you're a troll.


    Exactly, it IS the best of all words... hence your impotent jealous rage about it. Like I said--couldn't pass the police academy entrance exam, failed the CPAT (judging by your post counts, apparently haulin your butt out of the computer chair qualifies as "cardio" for you), so now you're comin on here and cryin. lol. It's quite cute, really.
    Did the city council laugh you out of their chambers when you brought this argument up? So the best you can do is come here and sniffle-sniffle cry-cry? lmao. Pathetic, really.
    In case you missed it Mr. Pot Stirrer, you had a chief he failed to do his job because he slept through the call. In my book first offense, counseling, second offense 15 days, third offense fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the1141man View Post
    This was the exact admission I wanted...you're a troll.
    Give the man a cigar. Not only a troll, but he's not even a firefighter or an engineer.

    He's Paul Blart, Security Dude.

    No wonder he's jealous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Give the man a cigar. Not only a troll, but he's not even a firefighter or an engineer.

    He's Paul Blart, Security Dude.

    No wonder he's jealous.
    Quick, how do you find the maximum distance for a trajectory with initial velocity of 300 m/s on earth?

    FYI, this is a basic engineering problem is solved in about 3 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    In case you missed it Mr. Pot Stirrer, you had a chief he failed to do his job because he slept through the call. In my book first offense, counseling, second offense 15 days, third offense fired.
    lol I've been around twice as long as you and have a quarter as many posts... since you're so obsessed with facts. Wonder what that fact says...

    Quick, how do you find the maximum distance for a trajectory with initial velocity of 300 m/s on earth?

    FYI, this is a basic engineering problem is solved in about 3 minutes.
    Yes it is, but first, is that an African swallow, or a European one? Laden or unladen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Quick, how do you find the maximum distance for a trajectory with initial velocity of 300 m/s on earth?

    FYI, this is a basic engineering problem is solved in about 3 minutes.
    I'm sure you can find the answer on Wikipedia.

    Quick, define primary search.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I'm sure you can find the answer on Wikipedia.

    Quick, define primary search.
    You missed it. He already did the ctrl-C, switch window, ctrl-V thing a page or two ago.

    But he's an engineer, so simple hydraulics should be a snap, right?

    Friction loss (approximate) of a 100' stick of 1.5" hose pumping 100GPM? Quick, any probie should be able to answer this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I had originally put in a comment to be careful about how you answer the question. Then I removed it. This was the exact response I wanted.
    Glad I could help. However, you read way too far into it. My point was simply that many of us don't spend all 24 hours on calls, but that doesn't mean we do nothing the rest of the time.

    Now think about this from the tax payer point of view, the guy who actually does have to work the entire time he is at work.
    Well, I AM a taxpayer and have no problem with the fact that the firefighters are allowed to sleep on-duty as long as the necessary work to be ready to go when the alarm sounds is taken care of. This is the same way I felt before taking the job.

    Like I already stated, the job is about being prepared to and then responding immediately when needed. It's not about producing "X" number of widgets per day to make the stockholders happy. Sure many days my job is "easier"
    than many others out there, but there's also many days where it isn't. How many people in those other jobs have to take vacation in order to spend Christmas (or any other holiday) with their family or have to miss it altogether because the FD doesn't shut down - ever?


    So you aren't working the entire time, you want to work a 24 hour shift, and you want to sleep while working. Talk about the best of all worlds.
    Yes it's a nice set up, but it's not so much about wanting to work 24-hour shifts and sleeping at work. It was about working as a firefighter. My department went to 24 hours shifts a couple decades ago, long before I even lived here.

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