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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    I'm not saying that you are racist and I'm not saying that opposing Obama automatically makes everyone a racist. This statement is not about you or conservatives:

    People who are truly and honestly racist (on both sides of the fence) are not going to give a dime about the technically correct definition of who is black and who is not.

    People who are filled with hate are not going to look at someone and think: Well, his skin is black, I wonder who his parents are and if he grew up surrounded by white people or black people. I wonder what the percentage of the black population was at his high school. Let me do some research to make sure if he really is black, or if he just looks black. If people are narrow minded enough to hate someone based on the color of their skin they will hate him even if that has never met another person that shares the same color in his life.

    That's the problem with racism, the basic idea of racism is stupid and if you think that racists are going to spend that much time figuring out who they should hate or not hate, then you are mistaken. And I truly think that any person (black/white/asian/whatever) who hates another person based on his/her skin is an idiot.
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    Man, I'm glad that parents are protecting their kids from this brainwashing:

    Prepared Remarks of President Barack Obama
    Back to School Event

    Arlington, Virginia
    September 8, 2009

    The President: Hello everyone Ė howís everybody doing today? Iím here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And weíve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. Iím glad you all could join us today.

    I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, itís your first day in a new school, so itís understandable if youíre a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade youíre in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you couldíve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

    I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didnít have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday Ė at 4:30 in the morning.

    Now I wasnít too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, Iíd fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever Iíd complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."

    So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But Iím here today because I have something important to discuss with you. Iím here because I want to talk with you about your education and whatís expected of all of you in this new school year.

    Now Iíve given a lot of speeches about education. And Iíve talked a lot about responsibility.

    Iíve talked about your teachersí responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

    Iíve talked about your parentsí responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and donít spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

    Iíve talked a lot about your governmentís responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that arenít working where students arenít getting the opportunities they deserve.

    But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world Ė and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
    And thatís what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.

    Every single one of you has something youíre good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. Thatís the opportunity an education can provide.
    Maybe you could be a good writer Ė maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper Ė but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor Ė maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine Ė but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.

    And no matter what you want to do with your life Ė I guarantee that youíll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? Youíre going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You canít drop out of school and just drop into a good job. Youíve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.
    And this isnít just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What youíre learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.

    Youíll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. Youíll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. Youíll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

    We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you donít do that Ė if you quit on school Ė youíre not just quitting on yourself, youíre quitting on your country.

    Now I know itís not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.

    I get it. I know what thatís like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasnít always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didnít fit in.

    So I wasnít always as focused as I should have been. I did some things Iím not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.

    But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didnít have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.
    Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you donít have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and thereís not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you donít feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know arenít right.

    But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life Ė what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what youíve got going on at home Ė thatís no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. Thatís no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. Thatís no excuse for not trying.
    Where you are right now doesnít have to determine where youíll end up. No oneís written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

    Thatís what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
    Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didnít speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.

    Iím thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, whoís fought brain cancer since he was three. Heís endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer Ė hundreds of extra hours Ė to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and heís headed to college this fall.

    And then thereís Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and sheís on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.

    Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell arenít any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.

    Thatís why today, Iím calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education Ė and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe youíll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe youíll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe youíll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope youíll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you donít feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.

    Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.

    I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, youíre not going to be any of those things.

    But the truth is, being successful is hard. You wonít love every subject you study. You wonít click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you wonít necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.

    Thatís OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones whoíve had the most failures. JK Rowlingís first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
    These people succeeded because they understand that you canít let your failures define you Ė you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesnít mean youíre a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesnít mean youíre stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.

    No oneís born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. Youíre not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You donít hit every note the first time you sing a song. Youíve got to practice. Itís the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before itís good enough to hand in.

    Donít be afraid to ask questions. Donít be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isnít a sign of weakness, itís a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you donít know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust Ė a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor Ė and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.

    And even when youíre struggling, even when youíre discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you Ė donít ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
    The story of America isnít about people who quit when things got tough. Itís about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.

    Itís the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.

    So today, I want to ask you, whatís your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?

    Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. Iím working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But youíve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So donít let us down Ė donít let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.

    Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
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    Not for nothin....but many schools in the south east started a few weeks ago. Many schools in my area started last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    First off, I'm not obsessed with it, you are. As it was you who made a completely false statement concerning the cost of the Iraq War. You did then, and you continue to spread blatant liberal lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    From CNN

    Laura Bush defends Obama school speech
    Posted: September 7th, 2009 04:36 PM ET

    Former first lady Laura Bush is defending President Obama's decision to address the nation's school children.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) ó Former first lady Laura Bush is defending President Obama's decision to address the nation's school children, telling CNN Monday that it is "really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."

    "I think that there is a place for the President of the United States to talk to school children and encourage school children, and I think there are a lot of people that should do the same," she told CNN's Zain Verjee, in an interview set to air Monday on The Situation Room. "And that is encourage their own children to stay in school and to study hard and to try to achieve the dream that they have."

    The former first lady said she believed criticism of the speech had arisen because of the accompanying lesson plans. If parents are opposed to the address, said Bush, "That's their right. You know that certainly is the right of parents to choose what they want their children to hear in schoolÖ (But) I think it's also really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."

    Does she think it's fair to criticize Obama, as some have, by labeling him a socialist? "I'd have no idea whether it's fair, do you think I thought it was fair when President Bush was criticized ó not really. So, I guess not," she responded.

    Bush said that she thought "really safe congressional districts" had contributed to political polarization. "That's just a fact of life in American politics and ÖI'm sure President Obama didn't expect it to be that way. But you know ó it is that way, and I think all of us need to do what we can to come together on issues."

    The former first lady added that she thought both Obama and her successor, Michelle Obama, had done good jobs since moving into the White House.

    But she also said former Vice President Cheney, who has been an outspoken critic of the Obama administration's security policy, "has every right to speak out, and I appreciate that he is defending the Bush administration and his administration."

    "But George as a former president chose not to speak out," she added. "He thinks the president deserves the respect and the no second-guessing on the part of the former presidentÖ he didn't like it when he was criticized by former presidents and that's what he has chosen to do."

    She said her husband and his former vice president still speak "occasionally."

    Both Bushes have been working on their memoirs. Bush said her husband has also spent a lot of time mountain biking.
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    She makes some great points. Personally I feel that the biggest lessons kids are learning right now is that unless you voted for him, you don't have to respect him.
    I actually agree with you. How in the world do you teach your children discernment and respect if you insulate them from dissenting viewpoints? You can't teach them to think for themselves and to intelligently debate an issue if they only ever learn one side of the issue. It's ridiculous.

    Barack Obama is the President. I don't like it. I don't agree with him on virtually any subject. But, dammit, he is the President and I respect that office. I am going to teach my children to do the same. And keeping them home because the President is going to give a speech that they might hear and they might talk about it in class is ludicrous.

    It's MY job to instill the values that I believe are correct in my children. And teaching them disrespect for the office of the President and teaching them to hate people who do not believe what they believe are not values I want to hand down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I love watching you dance with a minimum of keystrokes.
    Lying is easy, which explains the length of your posts.
    And you do a lot of lying, which explains your whorish post count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Lying is easy, which explains the length of your posts.
    And you do a lot of lying, which explains your whorish post count.
    Hey moonbat,

    I'm also retired. One of my favorite hobbies is watching you post incredibly long responses replete with numerous links.

    I consider pejoratives from you to be great compliments.

    BTW, your nutcase leader has her day in court here in OC. She's putting forth a birth certificate she obtained from a supporter who flew to Kenya who admits he paid a "financial consideration" to a Kenyan military officer to look the other way while he made a copy.

    Wanna bet on how this turns out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I actually agree with you. How in the world do you teach your children discernment and respect if you insulate them from dissenting viewpoints? You can't teach them to think for themselves and to intelligently debate an issue if they only ever learn one side of the issue. It's ridiculous.

    Barack Obama is the President. I don't like it. I don't agree with him on virtually any subject. But, dammit, he is the President and I respect that office. I am going to teach my children to do the same. And keeping them home because the President is going to give a speech that they might hear and they might talk about it in class is ludicrous.

    It's MY job to instill the values that I believe are correct in my children. And teaching them disrespect for the office of the President and teaching them to hate people who do not believe what they believe are not values I want to hand down.

    Sometimes there are people on here who make me sick.
    My children were grown by the time Bush was president. Very little he did was in line with my beliefs. But I would have never prevented my children from hearing him deliver a speech to them as school kids. I come from a time when having the president address us as kids would've been pretty cool. Maybe Eisenhower or Kennedy did that, I don't remember.

    I'm accused of throwing down the race card in regards to the dislike some have for President Obama. When I read this particular President has had a 400% increase in threats than his predecessors you'll have to pardon me if I believe the reasons go beyond dislike of his policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    My children were grown by the time Bush was president. Very little he did was in line with my beliefs. But I would have never prevented my children from hearing him deliver a speech to them as school kids. I come from a time when having the president address us as kids would've been pretty cool. Maybe Eisenhower or Kennedy did that, I don't remember.

    I'm accused of throwing down the race card in regards to the dislike some have for President Obama. When I read this particular President has had a 400% increase in threats than his predecessors you'll have to pardon me if I believe the reasons go beyond dislike of his policies.
    There is no doubt that there are people in this world that dislike him because he's black. Zero doubt. Anyone denying that is clueless about the impact of racism on our country, even today.

    However, I believe that some on the left use the implication or outright accusation of racism when there is criticism of Obama's policies, even when there is no proof that race was a factor in that opposition.

    Take socialized medicine as an example. It would be irresponsible to accuse those who object to the proposed changes in policy as racist because of their opposition, when they have always opposed it. Could they be racist? I guess, but it's not really apropos to the argument about healthcare.

    In regards to the speech during school debate. Some parents will always object, its just guesswork and probably false that the majority object because he's black. You have to admit the recent debate about healthcare is pretty heated and has really polarized the population.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Hey moonbat,

    I'm also retired. One of my favorite hobbies is watching you post incredibly long responses replete with numerous links.
    Would you like some cheese with that whine?

    Your posts are devoid of links as there are none that substantiate your liberal lies.

    And aside from me being more objective than you, how is my incessant egging of you any different than your endless "read a credit card agreement" responses to ScareCrow57?

    And how is this any different than your constant "moonbat" jabs concerning Hussein's BC? Which for the record, still hasn't been released.

    You don't like it when people give your crap back to you huh? Typical hypocritical liberal.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wanna bet on how this turns out?
    Sure. Hussein does nothing. He'll keep his BC hidden in Hawaii behind privacy laws. The case will likely be dismissed on a technicality like her not proving that she suffered a particular injury because she herself did not run for POTUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    .. When I read this particular President has had a 400% increase in threats than his predecessors you'll have to pardon me if I believe the reasons go beyond dislike of his policies.
    Try ignoring the hyperventilating claims of the morons at the "Southern Poverty Law Center". When the Secret Service releases such info maybe would have some basis in fact. Same idiots planted the "White Militia" nonsense during the 90s in an attempt to move Clinton's agenda. Nothing a retarded attempt at Perception Management.

    Your lack of scepticism of "facts" from leftists appears endless. Quit inhaling. Stay away from wacky leftists websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I actually agree with you. How in the world do you teach your children discernment and respect if you insulate them from dissenting viewpoints? You can't teach them to think for themselves and to intelligently debate an issue if they only ever learn one side of the issue. It's ridiculous.

    Barack Obama is the President. I don't like it. I don't agree with him on virtually any subject. But, dammit, he is the President and I respect that office. I am going to teach my children to do the same. And keeping them home because the President is going to give a speech that they might hear and they might talk about it in class is ludicrous.

    It's MY job to instill the values that I believe are correct in my children. And teaching them disrespect for the office of the President and teaching them to hate people who do not believe what they believe are not values I want to hand down.

    Sometimes there are people on here who make me sick.
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    Okay, as the federal government has "no proper role" in the education of minor children (whatever that means). Are you also advocating for the removal of american flags and a halt to the pledge of allegiance???
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    What education of the world is HE funding with out tax money? Did I miss a bill he wrote and signed that indicated a major shift in how our tax money is spend on foreign education?

    Is it okay for the US flag to be in all the classrooms, and for the kids to say the Pledge of Allegiance each morning, posters of the constitution hanging on the wall (that's what we did in my High School). But how dare the President address the children?

    We can tell the kids that everyone has a chance to be President when you grow up, you just have to work hard. But you better not listen to the President!

    Presidents have addressed school children for a long time. What was Bush Jr. doing when 9/11 happened? He was reading to school children (and to his credit I think he handled the whole situation very well).

    Even if the president has no "proper" role in Education. He is still the President of the United States of America. He is not telling these children that he is coming up with a new "No Child Left Behind" bill, he is not telling them that he is changing their coursework.

    But I guess it is against the constitution now for the President to say "Hey kids, stay in school and study hard".
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    Unless there has been a change in the constitution, he is THEIR President, too. There is nothing offensive about the President giving a non-political speech, as the transcript suggests, to our children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    Pardon my trolling, but, what was Pres Bush doing when he received word of the 9/11 attacks??

    Without a doubt, that is the farthest to the fringe (left or right) post I have ever seen on this sight. Not a proper role? He wasn't teaching, he was trying to inspire young people to excel. Oh...that's right, he's a liberal, socialist, pinko, subversive wack-job...

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    Who really cares what he says? straw man does I guess!
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    [QUOTE=pvfd27;1094364]Pardon my trolling, but, what was Pres Bush doing when he received word of the 9/11 attacks??../QUOTE]

    See above. Interjecting the Fed Gov't in education. See also No Child Left, Dept of Ed etc.

    Primary/Secondary Education is a local responsibility.

    The US gov't has provided welfare funds for many years to education children around the world. And we've invited and allowed nearly anyone to come to our colleges and educational institutions. See also many islamist terrorist, including the 9/11 lot.

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    Pardon my trolling, but, what was Pres Bush doing when he received word of the 9/11 attacks??../QUOTE]

    See above. Interjecting the Fed Gov't in education. See also No Child Left, Dept of Ed etc.

    Primary/Secondary Education is a local responsibility.

    The US gov't has provided welfare funds for many years to education children around the world. And we've invited and allowed nearly anyone to come to our colleges and educational institutions. See also many islamist terrorist, including the 9/11 lot.
    How dare those evil foreigners come to our schools, pay out-of-state higher tuition, get well paying jobs and pay taxes here.

    Evil Evil foreigners....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post

    See above. Interjecting the Fed Gov't in education. See also No Child Left, Dept of Ed etc.

    Primary/Secondary Education is a local responsibility.

    The US gov't has provided welfare funds for many years to education children around the world. And we've invited and allowed nearly anyone to come to our colleges and educational institutions. See also many islamist terrorist, including the 9/11 lot.
    Obviously, based on your use grammar and syntax... your local elementary and secondary schools failed you miserably or you are just ignorant, either by genetics or by choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Here's the fun part. You're so obsessed with the difference in the cost of the war when one of its selling points was that it wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dime. Oil revenues were going to pay for it.

    Sadly, this statement is very true. It has cost far more than a dime.
    Just curious here. Didn't you tell us that war spending in WWII brought us out of recession?

    The interesting part here is that the cost of the war all goes to American companies, a stimulus if you will. If you believe in the TARP bill then you have to believe in War Spending as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    And there it is, you can't be against Mr. Obama without being a racist.

    What the heck is it with liberals and Democrats having to play the race card just because people did not vote for President Obama. The same crock of shyte would have spewed forth if a woman were sitting in the Oval Office and you did nto support her - you would be sexist.

    Get a freaking grip pal and at least try to not make yourself look stupid while you are trying to make a point.


    As for the speech, the Obama administration should have the intelligence to see this nonsensical crap from the more extreme conservatives. They could have avoided this stupidity if they had just released the text of the speech early. This is pretty freaking stupid, and given the true difficulties that our nation is facing right now, a freaking speech by a sitting President to our children is not exactly what I would put high up on the list.
    They did finally release it. I read it and found it to be a very good non-partisan, non-political speech. These are the kinds of mistakes a leader in training will make. His only other miscue was doing this on Tuesday when not all schools were even in session yet. Once he gets a little experience under his belt he will be a much better president. Unfortunately for him, by the time he gets it right it will be too late. Can you say one and done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    Actually, the federal government funds much of that education. And in my book should set national standards and develop standardized test to assure that every kid with a diploma meets the minimum standards.

    Hopefully, the presidents message will connect with some of those inner city minority kids where drop out rates are highest.

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    How dare those evil foreigners come to our schools, pay out-of-state higher tuition, get well paying jobs and pay taxes here.

    Evil Evil foreigners....
    Must be they are filling the seats left empty by the drop outs. Isn't it funny how those who come here from a government that gave them nothing appreciate working for a living and making something of themselves. Meanwhile, we just keep passing the welfare mentality form generation to generation. My friend who works at the DSS office tells me it is the same people and the same families. Once they figure out how to use the system they never leave.

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