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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    Unless there has been a change in the constitution, he is THEIR President, too. There is nothing offensive about the President giving a non-political speech, as the transcript suggests, to our children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    Pardon my trolling, but, what was Pres Bush doing when he received word of the 9/11 attacks??

    Without a doubt, that is the farthest to the fringe (left or right) post I have ever seen on this sight. Not a proper role? He wasn't teaching, he was trying to inspire young people to excel. Oh...that's right, he's a liberal, socialist, pinko, subversive wack-job...

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    Who really cares what he says? straw man does I guess!
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    [QUOTE=pvfd27;1094364]Pardon my trolling, but, what was Pres Bush doing when he received word of the 9/11 attacks??../QUOTE]

    See above. Interjecting the Fed Gov't in education. See also No Child Left, Dept of Ed etc.

    Primary/Secondary Education is a local responsibility.

    The US gov't has provided welfare funds for many years to education children around the world. And we've invited and allowed nearly anyone to come to our colleges and educational institutions. See also many islamist terrorist, including the 9/11 lot.

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    Pardon my trolling, but, what was Pres Bush doing when he received word of the 9/11 attacks??../QUOTE]

    See above. Interjecting the Fed Gov't in education. See also No Child Left, Dept of Ed etc.

    Primary/Secondary Education is a local responsibility.

    The US gov't has provided welfare funds for many years to education children around the world. And we've invited and allowed nearly anyone to come to our colleges and educational institutions. See also many islamist terrorist, including the 9/11 lot.
    How dare those evil foreigners come to our schools, pay out-of-state higher tuition, get well paying jobs and pay taxes here.

    Evil Evil foreigners....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post

    See above. Interjecting the Fed Gov't in education. See also No Child Left, Dept of Ed etc.

    Primary/Secondary Education is a local responsibility.

    The US gov't has provided welfare funds for many years to education children around the world. And we've invited and allowed nearly anyone to come to our colleges and educational institutions. See also many islamist terrorist, including the 9/11 lot.
    Obviously, based on your use grammar and syntax... your local elementary and secondary schools failed you miserably or you are just ignorant, either by genetics or by choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Here's the fun part. You're so obsessed with the difference in the cost of the war when one of its selling points was that it wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dime. Oil revenues were going to pay for it.

    Sadly, this statement is very true. It has cost far more than a dime.
    Just curious here. Didn't you tell us that war spending in WWII brought us out of recession?

    The interesting part here is that the cost of the war all goes to American companies, a stimulus if you will. If you believe in the TARP bill then you have to believe in War Spending as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    And there it is, you can't be against Mr. Obama without being a racist.

    What the heck is it with liberals and Democrats having to play the race card just because people did not vote for President Obama. The same crock of shyte would have spewed forth if a woman were sitting in the Oval Office and you did nto support her - you would be sexist.

    Get a freaking grip pal and at least try to not make yourself look stupid while you are trying to make a point.


    As for the speech, the Obama administration should have the intelligence to see this nonsensical crap from the more extreme conservatives. They could have avoided this stupidity if they had just released the text of the speech early. This is pretty freaking stupid, and given the true difficulties that our nation is facing right now, a freaking speech by a sitting President to our children is not exactly what I would put high up on the list.
    They did finally release it. I read it and found it to be a very good non-partisan, non-political speech. These are the kinds of mistakes a leader in training will make. His only other miscue was doing this on Tuesday when not all schools were even in session yet. Once he gets a little experience under his belt he will be a much better president. Unfortunately for him, by the time he gets it right it will be too late. Can you say one and done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    All true. However, as the Federal Government has no proper role in the education of minor children in the US, the President can have no rightful place in their classrooms. Perhaps there are Constitutionally appropriate matters to which he might attend? Maybe an address to the children around the world who's eductation which he is funding with our tax $?
    Actually, the federal government funds much of that education. And in my book should set national standards and develop standardized test to assure that every kid with a diploma meets the minimum standards.

    Hopefully, the presidents message will connect with some of those inner city minority kids where drop out rates are highest.

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    How dare those evil foreigners come to our schools, pay out-of-state higher tuition, get well paying jobs and pay taxes here.

    Evil Evil foreigners....
    Must be they are filling the seats left empty by the drop outs. Isn't it funny how those who come here from a government that gave them nothing appreciate working for a living and making something of themselves. Meanwhile, we just keep passing the welfare mentality form generation to generation. My friend who works at the DSS office tells me it is the same people and the same families. Once they figure out how to use the system they never leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Who really cares what he says? straw man does I guess!
    Why would you not care what the leader and president of the United States has to say? Unless you are totally clueless you should care about everything he says. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Obviously, based on your use grammar and syntax... your local elementary and secondary schools failed you miserably or you are just ignorant, either by genetics or by choice.
    Good GOD dude. If you are going to criticize someones grammar at least make your proper.

    "Obviously, based on your use of grammar and syntax... your local elementary and secondary schools failed you miserably or you are just ignorant, either by genetics or by choice."

    Too much fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Would you like some cheese with that whine?
    To whom are you speaking? No whining here. More like laughing.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Your posts are devoid of links as there are none that substantiate your liberal lies.
    I've covered all of these topics before. I don't pay for the same real estate twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    And aside from me being more objective than you, how is my incessant egging of you any different than your endless "read a credit card agreement" responses to ScareCrow57?
    Because I don't rail against the govt. like idiotboy only to admit that he's personally irresponsible and sought (and received) protection from that same govt.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    And how is this any different than your constant "moonbat" jabs concerning Hussein's BC? Which for the record, still hasn't been released.
    Because it's so much fun to read your responses.

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    You don't like it when people give your crap back to you huh? Typical hypocritical liberal.Sure. Hussein does nothing. He'll keep his BC hidden in Hawaii behind privacy laws. The case will likely be dismissed on a technicality like her not proving that she suffered a particular injury because she herself did not run for POTUS.
    See above response. BTW, the GOP Governor of Hawaii would disagree with you. But I'm sure you know more than her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I've covered all of these topics before. I don't pay for the same real estate twice.
    You are very good at covering topics, just not very good at providing facts or substantiating your claims. You make statements like the earth is flat but don't show the proof. You say the earth is the center of the Universe, but where is the proof.

    [/quote]Because I don't rail against the govt. like idiotboy only to admit that he's personally irresponsible and sought (and received) protection from that same govt.[/quote]

    Perhaps if the government had left me my earnings rather than steal from me I wouldn't have gotten in trouble in the first place. Since the government caused the problem they should fix it. I have started a thread pointing out numerous governmental failures. And I left out the whole Madoff thing that festered for 16 years. Or the feds inability to properly monitor or regulate anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    You are very good at covering topics, just not very good at providing facts or substantiating your claims. You make statements like the earth is flat but don't show the proof. You say the earth is the center of the Universe, but where is the proof.
    Yes I have. You just didn't like the response so you claim (like moonbat) the facts are either not true or relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    Perhaps if the government had left me my earnings rather than steal from me I wouldn't have gotten in trouble in the first place.
    Really? Did the government force you buy things with money you didn't have? Did the government force you to be irresponsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    Since the government caused the problem they should fix it. I have started a thread pointing out numerous governmental failures. And I left out the whole Madoff thing that festered for 16 years. Or the feds inability to properly monitor or regulate anything.
    So what? I look at the successes instead. I've been fortunate to travel to every continent except Antarctica. I can assure you the people in just about every other country don't look at America and relish how much better they have it because their government doesn't tax them as much.

    Your comments on regulation or monitoring are senseless. There are numerous examples of both that have improved our quality of life. I would point them out, but you'd just deny it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Yes I have. You just didn't like the response so you claim (like moonbat) the facts are either not true or relevant.
    Standard academic integrity states that you site your references and sources, which I do on a routine basis. You only provide the link to the Huffington Post article when pressured, however, you typically ignore it hoping no one will notice. Fact is we all see you for the fraud you are.

    Really? Did the government force you buy things with money you didn't have? Did the government force you to be irresponsible?
    Nope I had to buy my own food and pay for my own housing while the low lifer welfare scumbags sat home worry free. I spent money I thought I had until the IRS robbed me blind.

    So what? I look at the successes instead. I've been fortunate to travel to every continent except Antarctica. I can assure you the people in just about every other country don't look at America and relish how much better they have it because their government doesn't tax them as much.

    Your comments on regulation or monitoring are senseless. There are numerous examples of both that have improved our quality of life. I would point them out, but you'd just deny it.
    NO, the point on regulation and monitoring is that the Federal Government can't even do that right.

    But this is way off topic.

    What this thread is about is the poor handling of a good thing by the administration and the response from concerned citizens. The address to the nations students was excellent and well crafted. The administrations poor leadership and lack of management created a protest from the right that was unnecessary. Had Obama clearly stated his objective and released the transcript sooner there would have been no controversy. Although, in talking to people on the street, most feel the controversy was overblown by the MSM.

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    Am I the only one that thinks there is something seriously wrong with a country where the PRESIDENT has to tell kids to stay in school,do their homework and take advantage of the opportunity for an education instead of their PARENTS?
    As he said in the Presidential debates,"That is above my paygrade".
    Well,telling children what to do is above his.The job of keeping kids in school is a parental job,not a Presidential one.Unless he was speaking specifically to his own daughters,I don't see how he should even think he can make sure kids that aren't his do their homework.That is WAY above his paygrade,isn't it?
    I do see how a parent could be telling their kids"Do your homework or I'm calling the President.Do you want me to do that?Do you?" but I don't think it would cause much fear in the kiddies.
    I would be interested in seeing a follow up in a year or so to show how much effect this speech has had on the youth of this country.
    From my remarks,you might guess that I think it was a waste of time.The kids who didn't want to see the speech or whose parents didn't want them to see it had to stay in class doing busywork while the rest of the kids got out of class.
    Does that mean that the kids who stayed in class moved a day ahead of their peers in schoolwork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Unless there has been a change in the constitution, he is THEIR President, too. There is nothing offensive about the President giving a non-political speech, as the transcript suggests, to our children.
    I doubt his original speech was including a line about "This is especially for you kids in the 9th grade now.In 2012,I'll be running for re-election right about when you turn 18 and I'm gonna need your vote." but they did have to rewrite it when protests started up.
    Does having to rewrite the speech indicate that it was going to be "non political" to you?When President Bush was reading "My Pet Goat" to gradeschoolers,it was just a planned photo op of the President interacting with kids,not an alibi for his whereabouts when the planes started getting hijacked.
    President Obama "COULD" have been trying to generate good press for his image by speaking to kids before trying again to ram healthcare reform without debate down our throats.
    After all,who could get angry at a man who is good with kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks there is something seriously wrong with a country where the PRESIDENT has to tell kids to stay in school,do their homework and take advantage of the opportunity for an education instead of their PARENTS?
    As he said in the Presidential debates,"That is above my paygrade".
    Well,telling children what to do is above his.The job of keeping kids in school is a parental job,not a Presidential one.Unless he was speaking specifically to his own daughters,I don't see how he should even think he can make sure kids that aren't his do their homework.That is WAY above his paygrade,isn't it?
    I do see how a parent could be telling their kids"Do your homework or I'm calling the President.Do you want me to do that?Do you?" but I don't think it would cause much fear in the kiddies.
    I would be interested in seeing a follow up in a year or so to show how much effect this speech has had on the youth of this country.
    From my remarks,you might guess that I think it was a waste of time.The kids who didn't want to see the speech or whose parents didn't want them to see it had to stay in class doing busywork while the rest of the kids got out of class.
    Does that mean that the kids who stayed in class moved a day ahead of their peers in schoolwork?

    Oh no, I agree, the President should not have to do this. However, what we have is generations of drop outs. We have kids that are born into families more interested in scoring a hit than they are getting a job. A government institutions with all of the freebie give aways for doing nothing are a large part of the problem. There is this cycle that keeps repeating itself, kids born into lifestyles that accept not trying. And it goes form generation to generation, It will take an outside force to break the cycle.

    One of the biggest problems is we have people like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson bombarding these youth with the message you will never amount to anything becuase of all the prejudice. AKA, you will never amount to anything becuase you are black or Latino or what ever. My hope is that some of these kids will listen to Obama instead of Sharpton and Jackson and break the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    I doubt his original speech was including a line about "This is especially for you kids in the 9th grade now.In 2012,I'll be running for re-election right about when you turn 18 and I'm gonna need your vote." but they did have to rewrite it when protests started up.
    Does having to rewrite the speech indicate that it was going to be "non political" to you?When President Bush was reading "My Pet Goat" to gradeschoolers,it was just a planned photo op of the President interacting with kids,not an alibi for his whereabouts when the planes started getting hijacked.
    President Obama "COULD" have been trying to generate good press for his image by speaking to kids before trying again to ram healthcare reform without debate down our throats.
    After all,who could get angry at a man who is good with kids?
    My take on the rewrite is simply that Pres. Obama is inept, his advisors are inept and his staff is inept. This would be typical for a one-term Pres.
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