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    Lightbulb Forced to change: Alternative Extrication Techniques

    Recently there has been published info, both print and AV, regarding vehicle technology forcing alternative extrication techniques.

    Likely that will continue and become more prevalent for various reasons.

    Simply...what alternative techniques have you performed in the street when faced with technology issues? What tools did you use? Did the alternative work well? What was your collateral plan should the alternative technique/tool not worked? What vehicles posed the problem?

    Ideally we can all learn from this info. Pictures are welcome.

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    I'm sorry I do not have an alternative or new technique to share, but could you provide links to the published media with the alternative techniques you mentioned? Sounds like interesting reading.

    Thank you. Sorry for the thread hijack.
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    Try reading the U of E article in the latest Firehouse mag.
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    We are fortunate enough to not run on a lot of full blown extrication jobs. However, we have given some thought to what changes we may need to make and so far we have concentrated on practicing our basics and keeping sharp on more than one method to do the job. Ten years ago, hydraulics were almost the exclusive tool of the trade, but now we are updating and practicing our skills with our other options like saws, air chisels and air bags. We are also being more attentive to stabalization issues in anticipation of crashed vehicles presenting unusual problems when we take tools to them.

    While our hydraulics tend to be the first tool off the truck, we now think about our plan "B" and "C" with out other tools in mind. So far, this has served us well.
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    Hi

    We always run with a plan A-B-C and so on.

    We are finding that on a few incidents our cutters have struggled with a few cuts on new vehicles on the road today.

    One incident involved a Merc C-class brand new, we struggled with removing the roof due to the strength of the roof posts, so most cuts were high due to the strength of the metals.

    We where asked by medics to remove the B-post to seat height, problem, we could not cut it, our cutters didnt make a dent, tried a recip, this had no impact what so ever, so in the end removed the casualty on a KED out through 90 degrees, not ideal i know but this vehicle sure gave us some issues to look into.

    One solution would be to upgrade our cutters,, but in the current climate wont happen, so like yourselves we are now having to look at alternatives.

    I hope this helps some, sorry to not give you all some techniques but unfortunatly we do not get these new cars to train on, so i am sad to say that some incidents will have to be addapted to what we come across.

    cheers john

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    John, What cutter you are using. Alan

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    Hi Alan

    We are using Holmatro CU 4035 NCT II

    cheers

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    We too roll in with the hydraulics and a plan B & C. We have yet to run into any problems yet making cuts, but who’s to say we might have an issue with the next entrapment.

    Please keep the posts coming. Very good post...

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    I'm going to get some diamond 'cip blades and head off into the junkyard as soon as the fall rush lets up.I'm interested to see how they work on the advanced steels. T.C.

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