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    Quote Originally Posted by 8482612 View Post
    hey moron, fffred is right. all your bull**** reasoning is an insult to us all who take the open competitive. i took it with no vets, res or anyother pts, and i got a good score, so have LOTS of others. When and IF i get on the fdny I hope to never see you, no matter what humble attitude you have, your still just a squarerooter with no self respect in my book.
    So I guess they should do away with vet and residency points because that gives people an unfair advantage too, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by merchan5967 View Post
    My opinion is this: Some who take the EMS route are idiots who just want to work a loophole in the system, this is true. But did any of you take to time to think that some who take this route actually want to do the job? Lets not forget they still have to pass CPAT and make it through the academy just like any other canidate. For instance, I joined the Air Force as a medic, went and got my fire certs and EMT and plan on going to paramedic school before I apply to a department. No I don't NEED paramedic, or vets points, fire certs to get hired, but let's face it, most departments look favorably on this, granted, I'm not applying to the FDNY. But I try to think of it as, maybe the guy who went in through EMS got 100% on his promotional exam, maybe he did the best in the academy, maybe he truely loves firefighting, but did EMS for the same reason I'm doing paramedic: It's a way into the job he really wants to do. Hell, if I apply to a department with paramedic, I'll probably get hired before the guy who doesn't. It's nothing new to start of as an EMT or Medic, then go on to firefighting. Hating someone for that is like hating a vollie who gets hired on to a paid job. It happens all the time, but it doesn't really mean they'll make bad firefighters. My point is, a test score does not determine how good a firefighter you are. Again I'm not applying for the FDNY, so think what you will of me. This is just my opinion.
    AMEN BRO. Thats exactly what I meant. I may want to be a paramedic REGARDLESS if I get a promo exam or not. And if I get a promo exam ill still try and get that 100 on the civil exam... I will still go in the academy fresh and open to the entire experience... theres NOWAY I want special treatment.... I want to score just as good on the CPAT as anyother guy.... In fact I didnt even know they changed the CPAT up for EMT guys.... and I actually agree... I dont see any reasoning in that.

    The fact of the matter is.... our pro EMT-promotion opinions are in line with NEW YORK (since their the ones who have it). THE DEPARTMENT YOU WORK FOR (haters). So go whine and cry to those who pay you... not those who want to work with you.

    Im having a feelin these guys are trying to get me to think NY is full of whining FFs who dont like EMS promotion guys- so that I dont attempt to get in. Well thanks for that. Now my determination and resolve is MUCH HIGHER. And ill see just how many of New Yorks bravest look down on it when I visit a couple firehouses over there next summer.

    Ill see you in the firehouse FRED.

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    FYI the last FDNY ems promotional exam to firefighter was cancelled and there is currently no future exam scheduled

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    You want to get on FDNY right? Do yourself a favor and listen to the guy who works there and give the rationalizations, the juvenile back-talk and the other bull**** a break. It's not getting you anywhere.

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    blaze, can you PLEASE video tape your visit to the FDNY firehouses when you pose this scenario and "see what they think"? and maybe post the video to youtube? id hate to miss this. maybe the most awkward, unintentional, comedy on youtube...and that would say a lot.

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    CS,

    Whatever you choose to do just remember you have to move to New York if you want to get on the FDNY. This is the current eligibility list of exam 6019 that was just given. As you look at it you will notice that the person with a score of 100.1 (there was no exact 100) had a list number of 1215. The current list didn't even break 1,000. Unless something else happens this person won't be hired. It's just something to think about. You HAVE to be over 100 if you really want to have a shot. Just look that list over and think about it...

    http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/...xam/037.5.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by tms122 View Post
    You want to get on FDNY right? Do yourself a favor and listen to the guy who works there and give the rationalizations, the juvenile back-talk and the other bull**** a break. It's not getting you anywhere.
    Listen to ONE GUY?! In my experience... its usually the crappiest idea to get the opinion from someone who IS in the job. Best opinions are from people who have done the job and are now retired or doing something else. Especially in this area... or as FRED calls it... "political"

    HAHAHA... neither is posting on these forums... its just something to do.

    THANOJON... that is most definitely the point. What im trying to say is working with EMS will be the only way I can move there. Unless you can point me to some other job that is legal, highly available, pays a set salary per year, and doesnt require more then a year of education to achieve. Oh... it also has to involve helping people...

    Oh... I will record a video. Ill walk in and tell a guy or two the following:
    "Hey... so whadda ya think... im a student... just finished up my EMT/Paramedic (whichever)... I want to move to New York and my dream is to work with you guys. What do you think of me moving over here working with EMS for a few years, helping people... having a job that affords me to live here... and then promoting to fireman."

    First of all I really doubt ill get a negative answer... second of all, if I do... I think the general public who I want to help will be somewhat ****ed and offended over a couple of firefighters getting ****ed at a young guy who wants to help people out and has a plan of action when it comes to achieving his dream of working with FDNY.

    Or I could just stop posting on these forums for the time being and come back here in 3 or 4 years when im working with FDNY...

    I will end it with this. The fact of the matter is I dont know what path I will take. All I know right now is im sick of living in Chicago... will finish my EMT in 3 months... and thats about it. Im not sure if I want to even get a fire science degree or if I will move up to paramedic.

    I dont want to take the promotion exam if I dont have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csBlaZe97 View Post
    Best opinions are from people who have done the job and are now retired or doing something else. Especially in this area... or as FRED calls it... "political"

    HAHAHA... neither is posting on these forums... its just something to do.

    Really? Let me be the first of the former to say, "you're now on your own"

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    Let me apologize for that comment.... I meant it within context to the EMS debate... if thats what it would be called... because it sounded like you were going to leave me alone with that anyway...

    Will guys get angry if I work with EMS and take the OPEN EXAMINATION?

    EMS may be the only way I can move to NY anyway....

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    Ask as many members as you want. I gather most will have a chuckle or ignore you as most of the other FDNY guys here are doing or they'll tell you how it is and that's exactly what Fred and some others have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csBlaZe97 View Post

    Will guys get angry if I work with EMS and take the OPEN EXAMINATION?
    Nope. But if you take the EMS promotional and score a 78% and get in ahead of a guy who scored a 99%, yeah, guys will see you as inferior.....because you are.

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    csblaze...don't take this as being critical, just as constructive criticism. First, get some thick skin or it's going to be a rough ride. Second, listen to the guys on the job. No their answers and advice may not be exactly what you wanted to hear, but they're being straightforward and honest and it's ultimately for your benefit so you need to listen to it an accept it and choose your responses carefully so that you don't unintentionally come across as talking back or having a bad attitude. The last thing you need is to get off on the wrong foot with them before you even take the exam. Again, just trying to pass along some friendly tips and advice. Good luck.

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    I saw that NY gives extra points in five different areas. Veteran, disabled veteran, parent who was a firefighter and was killed in the line of duty, sibling who was a firefighter and was killed in the line of duty, and residency.

    My questions are how much points are given for each catagory? And do you have to live within NYC city limits, or surrounding counties for residency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffhh74 View Post
    I saw that NY gives extra points in five different areas. Veteran, disabled veteran, parent who was a firefighter and was killed in the line of duty, sibling who was a firefighter and was killed in the line of duty, and residency.

    My questions are how much points are given for each catagory? And do you have to live within NYC city limits, or surrounding counties for residency?
    I think it is 5, 5, 10, 10, 5 respectively. I THINK. And yes, you have to live within one of the 5 boroughs for the required time to get the residency points...

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    Blaze I can tell you one thing: whatever you decide to do you had best learn to be quiet about it. Most of the senior guys frown on EMS promos. That's just the way it is. This IS NOT the job where you start work and expect changes to be made according to your logic. If you really wanna go that route, and mind you I personally don't think it's the way to go, do as you will but you need to keep your mouth shut about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner09 View Post
    I think it is 5, 5, 10, 10, 5 respectively. I THINK. And yes, you have to live within one of the 5 boroughs for the required time to get the residency points...
    Thanks roadrunner09

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