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    Default LDH trailer

    If you're looking for a easy method of LDH transport, delivery and re-loading nothing tops this!

    http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/vid...ler.flv#Player

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdmoreVFD View Post
    If you're looking for a easy method of LDH transport, delivery and re-loading nothing tops this!

    http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/vid...ler.flv#Player

    I've got to admit, that is unique...Seems to be one hell of a lot of hose stored in a relatively small space. Although I don't like the trailer concept, the hose lay is pretty impressive...
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    DMLEBLANC,

    Just one question, how would you do it? How would you lay one mile of hose?

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    I'll answer the question..even though it isnt posed at me.

    To lay a mile of 5" hose we would use about 5 engines. Since you need to overcome friction loss to use the hose more efficiently, an engine would be located every 800 feet to relay the water.

    Whats the point of that thing....really??? A hose trailer like this is useless, gimmicky, and nothing more than a sales pitch (at least in this case). "Hey guys, look we can lay a mile of hose and put no pumps inline and get 100 gallons a minute at the other end, isnt this cool? you gotta get one." Its just like those ridiculous hydraulic hosebeds and crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    I'll answer the question..even though it isnt posed at me.

    To lay a mile of 5" hose we would use about 5 engines. Since you need to overcome friction loss to use the hose more efficiently, an engine would be located every 800 feet to relay the water.

    Whats the point of that thing....really??? A hose trailer like this is useless, gimmicky, and nothing more than a sales pitch (at least in this case). "Hey guys, look we can lay a mile of hose and put no pumps inline and get 100 gallons a minute at the other end, isnt this cool? you gotta get one." Its just like those ridiculous hydraulic hosebeds and crap.
    Good call, Mike. You be in Wildwood at all? I'll be there Thursday and Saturday at 1st Priority's area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    "Hey guys, look we can lay a mile of hose and put no pumps inline and get 100 gallons a minute at the other end, isnt this cool? you gotta get one."
    For the record,
    5" hose can theoretically flow 687 GPM through a distance of 5,300' without exceeding the typical 200 psi test pressure.

    I'm not saying it's practical, as it would take almost 8 minutes just to fill the hose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    For the record,
    5" hose can theoretically flow 687 GPM through a distance of 5,300' without exceeding the typical 200 psi test pressure.

    I'm not saying it's practical, as it would take almost 8 minutes just to fill the hose.
    I'm with you on that, I get hydraulics, but 687 GPM is limiting you to basically one wagon pipe or a few handlines....what is that going to accomplish if things escalate?

    687 seems high, did you include the 20 residual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    Good call, Mike. You be in Wildwood at all? I'll be there Thursday and Saturday at 1st Priority's area.
    Nah, schedule for working extra to cover the volunteers didnt give me a free day to swing down there. Have fun!

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    Talking Dear MG from Jurrasic Park

    Who ******ed in your Corn Flakes! Just showing an option. I realize I'm not very smart but I think if you had a dedicated hose trailer with a mile of hose on board that first and foremost it would be a helluva lot cheaper than a big truck sitting or trying to organize 5 trucks when things must have already turned to crap. I'm sure it must be an oversight on your part but don't you think these boys are smart enough to park some booster pumps where needed. Did anybody say one pumper was doing the job all by its lonesome. By the way MG, you guys that bash those of us in the industry crack me up (are you a wanabee) I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer. I can also use my name because I don't have any customers trying to chase me down because I treated them like some of you guys think those of us in the industry treat our customers. Do you look at everything like you do Fire Apparatus, if you do just think what you would look like walking next to a guy with an I Phone! Pulling a little Red Wagon with one of those black rotary dial phones, reel to reel tape recorder, desk top computer, calculator, maps, etc.. See you in Wildwood!

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    For the record,
    5" hose can theoretically flow 687 GPM through a distance of 5,300' without exceeding the typical 200 psi test pressure.

    I'm not saying it's practical, as it would take almost 8 minutes just to fill the hose.
    Rural fire that mile of 5" (before adding relays) eliminates running about 3-5 tankers in a shuttle. Which is the safer more reliable solution.

    Baron. That wagon carrying 4"x50' sections? Doesn't look large enough to be 5" or 100' lengths.

    Personnally I like trailers used the hell out of them in the Army. Lots of flexibility, low cost. Higher cost method is a flatrack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    DMLEBLANC,

    Just one question, how would you do it? How would you lay one mile of hose?

    I wouldn't. I have hydrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    Who ******ed in your Corn Flakes! Just showing an option. I realize I'm not very smart but I think if you had a dedicated hose trailer with a mile of hose on board that first and foremost it would be a helluva lot cheaper than a big truck sitting or trying to organize 5 trucks when things must have already turned to crap. I'm sure it must be an oversight on your part but don't you think these boys are smart enough to park some booster pumps where needed. Did anybody say one pumper was doing the job all by its lonesome. By the way MG, you guys that bash those of us in the industry crack me up (are you a wanabee) I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer. I can also use my name because I don't have any customers trying to chase me down because I treated them like some of you guys think those of us in the industry treat our customers. Do you look at everything like you do Fire Apparatus, if you do just think what you would look like walking next to a guy with an I Phone! Pulling a little Red Wagon with one of those black rotary dial phones, reel to reel tape recorder, desk top computer, calculator, maps, etc.. See you in Wildwood!
    I think your silly hose trailer is stupid and now I am a dinosaur. I'm flattered.

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    Thumbs down I'm calling you on this one Baron Von BS!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer.
    OK smart guy, tell us how the mile long lay from the trailer works, including dumping portable booster pumps, connecting them, starting them, fueling, etc. What size are the pumps? The standard intervals they're placed? Run time? Anticipated GPM at the other end?

    I suspect you are totally full of shizzizle on this one!

    Change for the sake of change is just wasting money.

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    He doesn't have the space for a decent amount of ground ladders on those kraut wagons, what makes you think he can get a mile of hose on board?
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    OMG! Most of the Guys, I repeat, most of the Guys I know from Maine are pretty smart! Some like T.C. are pretty and smart. RFD I know you're not way back in the woods so I don't know what set you off on the portable pump thing. If you noticed, the trailer was dropping hose on the side of the hard road. This would then allow incoming engines to apply their parking brakes, step out of the cab, effect a 1/4 turn on the storz coupling thus giving them the ability to put one piece on the intake side and one piece on the discharge side of the pump. I would imagine most of these pumps would be in the 1,000gpm neighborhood. I'm not asking anybody to change anything, if you dont give a shizzizle about what's out there that's on you.

    I have a customer that was flat-laying LDH in a hose compartment and fighting to get 400' on board. He, unlike some others, looked at the video and tried it. He now lays 700 feet out of the same space and doesn't have to full around trying to flat-lay LDH full of air.

    I gotta send some fookin Acorn people up there to talk to you guys!

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    neiowa, the one I saw was 3-1/2 inch and Ithink they were 30m, picking it up was a lot less labor intensive.

    dm, when you go to sleep at night I hope your thinking about a plan B for those fire hydrants. They still talk about what happened in San Fran after the first earthquake when anything that didn't fall down burned up because the hydrants were dry.

    Buff, with all this stuff going on with Obama and people flipping the Race cards why would you call it a Kraut Wagon. Absolutely no class!

    mg, I type for a half hour and the best you can give me is one sentence and two words.

    Good night everybody.

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    It is an interesting idea of using a wagon or specialty vehicle to lay hose for long relays.

    It has some advantages and some disadvantages, but what doesn't? I like the idea of with a hose trailer or tender vehicle, you could essentially put some of the relay engines into service since all the hose came off of the tender.

    It would definitely take some learning and playing with, but it looks like there is a touch of potential in this. But it seems that in a rural area, the added cost of having to outfit the hose trailer with its own compliment and the cost of maintaining it (cheaper option that a completely hose tender vehicle) might price out many of the depts that could benefit the most.

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    I think what Tony was attempting to show everyone was a optional way to load and lay supply hose. I seem to recall two of the hose trailer bashers here loading their pre-connected hoselines in a similar fashion on their new rigs and are quite proud of it.

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    You can call me out by name, thats me.

    You cant donut roll rubber 5" LDH and expect it to deploy, unless someone can prove that to me...as well as lifting and loading 100' sections of that stuff. Have fun, let me know how much easier it is.

    Packing supply hose NEATLY makes more fit. Its simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    neiowa, the one I saw was 3-1/2 inch and Ithink they were 30m, picking it up was a lot less labor intensive.

    dm, when you go to sleep at night I hope your thinking about a plan B for those fire hydrants. They still talk about what happened in San Fran after the first earthquake when anything that didn't fall down burned up because the hydrants were dry.

    Buff, with all this stuff going on with Obama and people flipping the Race cards why would you call it a Kraut Wagon. Absolutely no class!

    mg, I type for a half hour and the best you can give me is one sentence and two words.

    Good night everybody.
    Yup. Because you assume that because I think the thing is silly, that I am resistant to change. Like the Chief from Maine, change just to change is a waste of money, unless you are the salesman who gets the coin, then its off to the bank smiling.

    I happen to consider myself a free thinking guy, always looking for better ways to do the job. I happen to also see the lack of practicality here, so that makes you suggest that I am a: a wanna be and b: a dinosaur. OK. I have toyed with the idea of selling stuff but my desire to educate people over making money would make me poor at best. I have a few good salesmen that sell stuff to me and are good guys. We talk shop and trade ideas back and forth. They know I am not an easy sell and I appreciate that.

    I dont have an iphone, dont want to be that in touch with the world. My simple flip open cellphone with the keyboard works for me. I dont particularly feel the necessity of a laptop, since I have desktops in my office and at home. My laptop gets used every now and then. I do have a metal red wagon, but we got the plastic one with the zero turn wheels and the canopy with flip down seats for junior, he seems to enjoy it. We have those fancy expandable cordless phone sets here in the house. And as far as the reel to reel, well I guess that would be equivalent to our radios at work, which we have set up into about a dozen zones for interagency ops, MDC signalling for radio ID and man-down alarms etc. My calculator is on my phone or the computer and I have a TomTom GPS backed up by map books in my truck as well as all of our front line apparatus.

    I look at fire apparatus based on how they do the job, and what works and is proven. Not something thats a sweet sales pitch. Salesmen don't like me, I ask hard questions.

    I do apologize, as I am kind of in a mood and mean no ill will to you personally. I just think the idea is silly and you seem to be pretty persistent about pushning your favorite "technology" which happens to get other users removed in the past. The info shared from fireman to fireman isnt the same as the info shared from salesman to fireman.

    Have a good day sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    dm, when you go to sleep at night I hope your thinking about a plan B for those fire hydrants. They still talk about what happened in San Fran after the first earthquake when anything that didn't fall down burned up because the hydrants were dry.

    A) We don't have earthquakes

    B) If anything does happen to our water system, the hydrants a mile away are going to be out too

    C) I am familiar with the trailer concept, we have a trailer with 2,000 ft. of 6 inch supply line at my paid job, which is industrial. I just don't think it's practical in the municipal setting IN MY AREA. If it works for your particular area, great, more power to you. I wouldn't try to dictate strategy in your area which I am unfamiliar with, although you seem to be willing to.

    I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer. I can also use my name because I don't have any customers trying to chase me down because I treated them like some of you guys think those of us in the industry treat our customers.
    Oh, now I'm starting to see the problem....you're selling something and when someone fails to jump on your bandwagon you question their reasoning and their knowledge. That's how I DON'T like to be treated by a salesman. Show me the product and let ME decide if it works for my situation, don't tell me I have to change my whole operation just to fit your product.

    For the record, I did state that the way the hose is laid is unique and an interesting way to get a lot of hose in a small space. That part is not the part I have a problem with. Your magic trailer is simply something I don't have a need for at this time, thank you.

    From MG3610...

    I just think the idea is silly and you seem to be pretty persistent about pushning your favorite "technology" which happens to get other users removed in the past. The info shared from fireman to fireman isnt the same as the info shared from salesman to fireman.
    What he said....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    You cant donut roll rubber 5" LDH and expect it to deploy, unless someone can prove that to me...as well as lifting and loading 100' sections of that stuff. Have fun, let me know how much easier it is.
    I agree 100%. I just dont see it happening. I see couplings getting torn off by the massive weight of one (100') section of 5".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    OMG! If you noticed, the trailer was dropping hose on the side of the hard road. This would then allow incoming engines to apply their parking brakes, step out of the cab, effect a 1/4 turn on the storz coupling thus giving them the ability to put one piece on the intake side and one piece on the discharge side of the pump. I would imagine most of these pumps would be in the 1,000gpm neighborhood.
    To be honest, the portable pump thing was tongue-in-cheek, I figured this evolution required pumpers and this manner makes perfect sense to me, but then again...Wait a minute, why don't we just load the hosebed of the same engines and have them lay in or out? We're using the same number of pumpers? Unless you determine you don't want a hosebed of any size on your apparatus, which I guess makes sense to Rosenbauer's European customers who clearly do things different and seem to still manage to put out most fires.

    When we ran 4" LDH we'd place an odd colored piece in at the 700 ft. mark so we'd know when we'd gone past our 1000 gpm point. We only carry 1300 ft. of the 5" LDH so the issue really doesn't present itself now.

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    MG,

    I suppose I should have been more specific. I agree, I could not see the doughnut rolls working with 5" rubber hose and also agree that flat loading LDH is best. Having said that, I believe the point of sharing the video was to introduce another option and maybe share ideas firemen to firemen. After all, RedBaron is a fireman.

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