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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Here's a couple Blitzfioresolo sent me a while back.
    We like to have our couplings against the bulkhead as seen in the center and right beds, but that's about what a good "Coupling Forward" load should look like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    I may not give much of a choice and try it on Truck 1 sometime. First I'm gonna try it at the vollie department, though.
    Let me know how it works. If Truck 1 is like Truck 5 then you need all the room you can get. They laid in to us a couple of months ago and when we went to reload the only think I could think of was I'm glad there is a ladder holding the hose on the truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    Let me know how it works. If Truck 1 is like Truck 5 then you need all the room you can get. They laid in to us a couple of months ago and when we went to reload the only think I could think of was I'm glad there is a ladder holding the hose on the truck.
    It's identical to Truck 5, and loading LDH is a pain in the tail! If you're lucky, it won't hang up when you lay it. That's part of why I'm thinking this kind of lay would be beneficial- the couplings have a longer distance to pull toward the chute.

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    If you can get your hands on an Angus Hi Vol video that is how they recommend loading the hose. Ask your local Angus rep for a copy, I've got two of them.There is quite a bit a sales pitches in it but also some good valuable info too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Here's a couple Blitzfioresolo sent me a while back.
    I started laying the LDH in my dept this way after I saw these same pics he posted in the "Monster Bumper" thread. It works out very well because you never have a coupling pass over or around another when laying out. Our hose beds are so full there isn't any room for couplings to pass each other.
    We do not rise to the occasion. We fall back to our level of training.

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    Default LDH trailer

    If you're looking for a easy method of LDH transport, delivery and re-loading nothing tops this!

    http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/vid...ler.flv#Player

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdmoreVFD View Post
    If you're looking for a easy method of LDH transport, delivery and re-loading nothing tops this!

    http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/vid...ler.flv#Player

    I've got to admit, that is unique...Seems to be one hell of a lot of hose stored in a relatively small space. Although I don't like the trailer concept, the hose lay is pretty impressive...
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    DMLEBLANC,

    Just one question, how would you do it? How would you lay one mile of hose?

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    I'll answer the question..even though it isnt posed at me.

    To lay a mile of 5" hose we would use about 5 engines. Since you need to overcome friction loss to use the hose more efficiently, an engine would be located every 800 feet to relay the water.

    Whats the point of that thing....really??? A hose trailer like this is useless, gimmicky, and nothing more than a sales pitch (at least in this case). "Hey guys, look we can lay a mile of hose and put no pumps inline and get 100 gallons a minute at the other end, isnt this cool? you gotta get one." Its just like those ridiculous hydraulic hosebeds and crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    I'll answer the question..even though it isnt posed at me.

    To lay a mile of 5" hose we would use about 5 engines. Since you need to overcome friction loss to use the hose more efficiently, an engine would be located every 800 feet to relay the water.

    Whats the point of that thing....really??? A hose trailer like this is useless, gimmicky, and nothing more than a sales pitch (at least in this case). "Hey guys, look we can lay a mile of hose and put no pumps inline and get 100 gallons a minute at the other end, isnt this cool? you gotta get one." Its just like those ridiculous hydraulic hosebeds and crap.
    Good call, Mike. You be in Wildwood at all? I'll be there Thursday and Saturday at 1st Priority's area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    "Hey guys, look we can lay a mile of hose and put no pumps inline and get 100 gallons a minute at the other end, isnt this cool? you gotta get one."
    For the record,
    5" hose can theoretically flow 687 GPM through a distance of 5,300' without exceeding the typical 200 psi test pressure.

    I'm not saying it's practical, as it would take almost 8 minutes just to fill the hose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    For the record,
    5" hose can theoretically flow 687 GPM through a distance of 5,300' without exceeding the typical 200 psi test pressure.

    I'm not saying it's practical, as it would take almost 8 minutes just to fill the hose.
    I'm with you on that, I get hydraulics, but 687 GPM is limiting you to basically one wagon pipe or a few handlines....what is that going to accomplish if things escalate?

    687 seems high, did you include the 20 residual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    Good call, Mike. You be in Wildwood at all? I'll be there Thursday and Saturday at 1st Priority's area.
    Nah, schedule for working extra to cover the volunteers didnt give me a free day to swing down there. Have fun!

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    Talking Dear MG from Jurrasic Park

    Who ******ed in your Corn Flakes! Just showing an option. I realize I'm not very smart but I think if you had a dedicated hose trailer with a mile of hose on board that first and foremost it would be a helluva lot cheaper than a big truck sitting or trying to organize 5 trucks when things must have already turned to crap. I'm sure it must be an oversight on your part but don't you think these boys are smart enough to park some booster pumps where needed. Did anybody say one pumper was doing the job all by its lonesome. By the way MG, you guys that bash those of us in the industry crack me up (are you a wanabee) I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer. I can also use my name because I don't have any customers trying to chase me down because I treated them like some of you guys think those of us in the industry treat our customers. Do you look at everything like you do Fire Apparatus, if you do just think what you would look like walking next to a guy with an I Phone! Pulling a little Red Wagon with one of those black rotary dial phones, reel to reel tape recorder, desk top computer, calculator, maps, etc.. See you in Wildwood!

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    For the record,
    5" hose can theoretically flow 687 GPM through a distance of 5,300' without exceeding the typical 200 psi test pressure.

    I'm not saying it's practical, as it would take almost 8 minutes just to fill the hose.
    Rural fire that mile of 5" (before adding relays) eliminates running about 3-5 tankers in a shuttle. Which is the safer more reliable solution.

    Baron. That wagon carrying 4"x50' sections? Doesn't look large enough to be 5" or 100' lengths.

    Personnally I like trailers used the hell out of them in the Army. Lots of flexibility, low cost. Higher cost method is a flatrack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    DMLEBLANC,

    Just one question, how would you do it? How would you lay one mile of hose?

    I wouldn't. I have hydrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    Who ******ed in your Corn Flakes! Just showing an option. I realize I'm not very smart but I think if you had a dedicated hose trailer with a mile of hose on board that first and foremost it would be a helluva lot cheaper than a big truck sitting or trying to organize 5 trucks when things must have already turned to crap. I'm sure it must be an oversight on your part but don't you think these boys are smart enough to park some booster pumps where needed. Did anybody say one pumper was doing the job all by its lonesome. By the way MG, you guys that bash those of us in the industry crack me up (are you a wanabee) I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer. I can also use my name because I don't have any customers trying to chase me down because I treated them like some of you guys think those of us in the industry treat our customers. Do you look at everything like you do Fire Apparatus, if you do just think what you would look like walking next to a guy with an I Phone! Pulling a little Red Wagon with one of those black rotary dial phones, reel to reel tape recorder, desk top computer, calculator, maps, etc.. See you in Wildwood!
    I think your silly hose trailer is stupid and now I am a dinosaur. I'm flattered.

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    Thumbs down I'm calling you on this one Baron Von BS!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer.
    OK smart guy, tell us how the mile long lay from the trailer works, including dumping portable booster pumps, connecting them, starting them, fueling, etc. What size are the pumps? The standard intervals they're placed? Run time? Anticipated GPM at the other end?

    I suspect you are totally full of shizzizle on this one!

    Change for the sake of change is just wasting money.

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    He doesn't have the space for a decent amount of ground ladders on those kraut wagons, what makes you think he can get a mile of hose on board?
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    Wink Bad Corn Flakes in Maine

    OMG! Most of the Guys, I repeat, most of the Guys I know from Maine are pretty smart! Some like T.C. are pretty and smart. RFD I know you're not way back in the woods so I don't know what set you off on the portable pump thing. If you noticed, the trailer was dropping hose on the side of the hard road. This would then allow incoming engines to apply their parking brakes, step out of the cab, effect a 1/4 turn on the storz coupling thus giving them the ability to put one piece on the intake side and one piece on the discharge side of the pump. I would imagine most of these pumps would be in the 1,000gpm neighborhood. I'm not asking anybody to change anything, if you dont give a shizzizle about what's out there that's on you.

    I have a customer that was flat-laying LDH in a hose compartment and fighting to get 400' on board. He, unlike some others, looked at the video and tried it. He now lays 700 feet out of the same space and doesn't have to full around trying to flat-lay LDH full of air.

    I gotta send some fookin Acorn people up there to talk to you guys!

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