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    neiowa, the one I saw was 3-1/2 inch and Ithink they were 30m, picking it up was a lot less labor intensive.

    dm, when you go to sleep at night I hope your thinking about a plan B for those fire hydrants. They still talk about what happened in San Fran after the first earthquake when anything that didn't fall down burned up because the hydrants were dry.

    Buff, with all this stuff going on with Obama and people flipping the Race cards why would you call it a Kraut Wagon. Absolutely no class!

    mg, I type for a half hour and the best you can give me is one sentence and two words.

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    It is an interesting idea of using a wagon or specialty vehicle to lay hose for long relays.

    It has some advantages and some disadvantages, but what doesn't? I like the idea of with a hose trailer or tender vehicle, you could essentially put some of the relay engines into service since all the hose came off of the tender.

    It would definitely take some learning and playing with, but it looks like there is a touch of potential in this. But it seems that in a rural area, the added cost of having to outfit the hose trailer with its own compliment and the cost of maintaining it (cheaper option that a completely hose tender vehicle) might price out many of the depts that could benefit the most.

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    I think what Tony was attempting to show everyone was a optional way to load and lay supply hose. I seem to recall two of the hose trailer bashers here loading their pre-connected hoselines in a similar fashion on their new rigs and are quite proud of it.

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    You can call me out by name, thats me.

    You cant donut roll rubber 5" LDH and expect it to deploy, unless someone can prove that to me...as well as lifting and loading 100' sections of that stuff. Have fun, let me know how much easier it is.

    Packing supply hose NEATLY makes more fit. Its simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    neiowa, the one I saw was 3-1/2 inch and Ithink they were 30m, picking it up was a lot less labor intensive.

    dm, when you go to sleep at night I hope your thinking about a plan B for those fire hydrants. They still talk about what happened in San Fran after the first earthquake when anything that didn't fall down burned up because the hydrants were dry.

    Buff, with all this stuff going on with Obama and people flipping the Race cards why would you call it a Kraut Wagon. Absolutely no class!

    mg, I type for a half hour and the best you can give me is one sentence and two words.

    Good night everybody.
    Yup. Because you assume that because I think the thing is silly, that I am resistant to change. Like the Chief from Maine, change just to change is a waste of money, unless you are the salesman who gets the coin, then its off to the bank smiling.

    I happen to consider myself a free thinking guy, always looking for better ways to do the job. I happen to also see the lack of practicality here, so that makes you suggest that I am a: a wanna be and b: a dinosaur. OK. I have toyed with the idea of selling stuff but my desire to educate people over making money would make me poor at best. I have a few good salesmen that sell stuff to me and are good guys. We talk shop and trade ideas back and forth. They know I am not an easy sell and I appreciate that.

    I dont have an iphone, dont want to be that in touch with the world. My simple flip open cellphone with the keyboard works for me. I dont particularly feel the necessity of a laptop, since I have desktops in my office and at home. My laptop gets used every now and then. I do have a metal red wagon, but we got the plastic one with the zero turn wheels and the canopy with flip down seats for junior, he seems to enjoy it. We have those fancy expandable cordless phone sets here in the house. And as far as the reel to reel, well I guess that would be equivalent to our radios at work, which we have set up into about a dozen zones for interagency ops, MDC signalling for radio ID and man-down alarms etc. My calculator is on my phone or the computer and I have a TomTom GPS backed up by map books in my truck as well as all of our front line apparatus.

    I look at fire apparatus based on how they do the job, and what works and is proven. Not something thats a sweet sales pitch. Salesmen don't like me, I ask hard questions.

    I do apologize, as I am kind of in a mood and mean no ill will to you personally. I just think the idea is silly and you seem to be pretty persistent about pushning your favorite "technology" which happens to get other users removed in the past. The info shared from fireman to fireman isnt the same as the info shared from salesman to fireman.

    Have a good day sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    dm, when you go to sleep at night I hope your thinking about a plan B for those fire hydrants. They still talk about what happened in San Fran after the first earthquake when anything that didn't fall down burned up because the hydrants were dry.

    A) We don't have earthquakes

    B) If anything does happen to our water system, the hydrants a mile away are going to be out too

    C) I am familiar with the trailer concept, we have a trailer with 2,000 ft. of 6 inch supply line at my paid job, which is industrial. I just don't think it's practical in the municipal setting IN MY AREA. If it works for your particular area, great, more power to you. I wouldn't try to dictate strategy in your area which I am unfamiliar with, although you seem to be willing to.

    I talk about my product on this forum because I know it inside and out and can give guys a straight answer. I can also use my name because I don't have any customers trying to chase me down because I treated them like some of you guys think those of us in the industry treat our customers.
    Oh, now I'm starting to see the problem....you're selling something and when someone fails to jump on your bandwagon you question their reasoning and their knowledge. That's how I DON'T like to be treated by a salesman. Show me the product and let ME decide if it works for my situation, don't tell me I have to change my whole operation just to fit your product.

    For the record, I did state that the way the hose is laid is unique and an interesting way to get a lot of hose in a small space. That part is not the part I have a problem with. Your magic trailer is simply something I don't have a need for at this time, thank you.

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    I just think the idea is silly and you seem to be pretty persistent about pushning your favorite "technology" which happens to get other users removed in the past. The info shared from fireman to fireman isnt the same as the info shared from salesman to fireman.
    What he said....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    You cant donut roll rubber 5" LDH and expect it to deploy, unless someone can prove that to me...as well as lifting and loading 100' sections of that stuff. Have fun, let me know how much easier it is.
    I agree 100%. I just dont see it happening. I see couplings getting torn off by the massive weight of one (100') section of 5".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    OMG! If you noticed, the trailer was dropping hose on the side of the hard road. This would then allow incoming engines to apply their parking brakes, step out of the cab, effect a 1/4 turn on the storz coupling thus giving them the ability to put one piece on the intake side and one piece on the discharge side of the pump. I would imagine most of these pumps would be in the 1,000gpm neighborhood.
    To be honest, the portable pump thing was tongue-in-cheek, I figured this evolution required pumpers and this manner makes perfect sense to me, but then again...Wait a minute, why don't we just load the hosebed of the same engines and have them lay in or out? We're using the same number of pumpers? Unless you determine you don't want a hosebed of any size on your apparatus, which I guess makes sense to Rosenbauer's European customers who clearly do things different and seem to still manage to put out most fires.

    When we ran 4" LDH we'd place an odd colored piece in at the 700 ft. mark so we'd know when we'd gone past our 1000 gpm point. We only carry 1300 ft. of the 5" LDH so the issue really doesn't present itself now.

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    I suppose I should have been more specific. I agree, I could not see the doughnut rolls working with 5" rubber hose and also agree that flat loading LDH is best. Having said that, I believe the point of sharing the video was to introduce another option and maybe share ideas firemen to firemen. After all, RedBaron is a fireman.

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    Seems like there is an awful lot of movement after the hose comes out of the bed. I would have to think that this is going to reduce the service life of the outer jacket on the hose. If you could lay 5" rubber jacket hose, who long is that going to last getting drug along the pavement every time it gets dropped? I see holes getting ripped and worn into rubber hose real quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    687 seems high, did you include the 20 residual?
    You're right, I left that out.
    Still, the corrected flow, using a 0.08 FLCo, is 651 GPM if FL is 180 psi. That's adequate for any residential interior fire attack. If things escalate farther than that, the structure is usually total loss anyway.

    A single hose wagon and 5,300' of hose is a lot cheaper, and safer, than a fleet of 5-7 Tankers (tenders). But you'd still need a good tanker to go to the scene to nurse the attack pumper until the hose is filled.

    My Dept has 10,000' of 7¼" hose for Petrochemical Fires. The capabilities of that stuff is amazing. We keep it on two trailers. I wish it was on a dedicated Apparatus that could deploy it easier.
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    TX, How often do they make you test the hose and how do you pick it up after it's stretched?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    TX, How often do they make you test the hose and how do you pick it up after it's stretched?
    We test it in compliance with NFPA 1962, done at 300 psi.

    It's double jacketed, so the weight is awful, 135 lbs per 100' role. It's a workman's comp injury waiting to happen.

    We roll it like any other hose, then two FF's load it onto a ATV or truck to transport back to the reloading point. Then it get placed on a Lazy Susan where it's flat loaded back onto the trailer. Each hose trailer holds about 5,000' of hose, and they CANNOT be safely towed by a pickup.
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