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    Lightbulb LDH Load

    Anybody using a LDH load other than the Flat lay for 1500' 5" Storz. Also any problems with the load you are using.


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    At my old job, we laid 5" on it's side for the quint. It was an rear-mounted E-One aerial-ladder-platform, and the hosebed was under the ladder, in front of the turntable.

    It worked pretty good, just make sure you have someone with some "dutchman" skills helping it to make the necessary bends.

    Also, ours was limited to only one layer.
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    Modified flat lay- Hose is stopped a foot or so just short of the bulkhead, and all the couplings are then stored in the void that is created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Modified flat lay- Hose is stopped a foot or so just short of the bulkhead, and all the couplings are then stored in the void that is created.
    I've never seen that one before. I may have to give it a try next time we reload LDH. I assume it's no more difficult to lay than a standard flat lay? Just have to put some Dutchman's in there in the right places?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Modified flat lay- Hose is stopped a foot or so just short of the bulkhead, and all the couplings are then stored in the void that is created.

    Any pictures of this hose lay?

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    The load which Buff speaks works great. We use it as well, and I know Blitzfiresolo has pictures which we used to get started. Check around in the apparatus forum for his posts, or anything about the "Battenburg Beast".

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    Quote Originally Posted by taskforce16 View Post
    Any pictures of this hose lay?
    Earlier this afternoon I took a picture of the load that Buff was referring to and tried to post it, but I got a message saying the picture is too big. I tried to resize it but not being a computer whiz, I couldn't make it go. So I e-mailed it to Buff to see what he can do with it.

    What you will see is close but not exactly right. The load was most recently packed by the company that tested our hose. Their supervisor admitted that they had never done a "Coupling Forward" load and were unfamiliar with that way of packing hose. We watched them and walked them through how is should be done for a couple of layers, then let them go. Error!

    When you see the picture, you'll see several places where folds of hose are on top of couplings. This is wrong, except maybe at the very top. The couplings should be against the forward bulkhead, and turned to come off without having to flip over. The folds of hose should be spaced far enough back to create a "pocket" for another coupling to lie on top. Our experience is that this allows the maximum amount of hose to be loaded into the available space.

    Just so that there is no misunderstanding, we did not originate this method of packing LDH. A couple of years after we got into LDH, when Buff was still a junior member, he and I took in an LDH class at Maryland Fire and Rescue Institute. This would have in the early '90s. Sam Goldwater of Angus sponsored the class. Don't hold me to this, but I think it was either Singerly/Elkton or Havre de Grace, anyway. one of the companies from Cecil Co., Maryland who brought an engine and showed how it was done.

    We brought the idea back and have been doing it like that ever since. Some caveats: 1 - If it's packed too tightly you can get a jam up when laying out. 2 - Someone who really knows how to do it has to stand up by the hose bed with a baseball bat to smack the person who tries to put folds of hose over top of couplings.

    Hopefully Buff will get the picture to post so you can get an idea of what it's all about.

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    Here is the picture from Chiefengineer11 as promised, with a question to him from me- Why in the f*ck did someone pay money to get the hose tested when we have paid guys in the station?
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    Our four engines run as described by FWD, the water supply unit has it on a reel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Here is the picture from Chiefengineer11 as promised, with a question to him from me- Why in the f*ck did someone pay money to get the hose tested when we have paid guys in the station?
    I'm like you, I thought it would make a good training session. But look at this.
    The testing company (Waterways out of Tom's River, N.J., I think) started at about 0930, tested every length of hose we own including what's in the tower, repacked all of it (sort of parade pack), tested all of the ground ladders, gave written reports of their findings and were done and gone at 1430. Two paid guys aren't doing that or anything like it. They sent a short crew out, about 11 people. Normally send 15, but some didn't show up. When they showed up I thought that they had gone down that exit ramp off of I-240 in Memphis where we used to go into Hal Beard's (the Crescent Lighting warehouse) and picked up a bunch of lumpers off of the corner.

    The guy who did the ladders looked like a part-time hippie, but he knew his job and did it well.

    But I gotta admit, they were highly organized and did a decent job. And it needed to be done. They made me a believer.
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    If you want to see a really neat way to lay hose go on the Rosenbauer America Website and click on apparatus, then videos and open the Euro Hose Trailer. Like Chief Engineer my computer skills are lacking.

    I saw one of these in 2000 at Interschutz, they're slicker than snot on a door knob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    If you want to see a really neat way to lay hose go on the Rosenbauer America Website and click on apparatus, then videos and open the Euro Hose Trailer. Like Chief Engineer my computer skills are lacking.

    I saw one of these in 2000 at Interschutz, they're slicker than snot on a door knob.
    very neat, interesting way to load and deploy hose. But the riding on the side step while moving, MY GOD, you'll give some members here strokes posting a video like that.

    very cool though
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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    his location says Long Island, they've just got money to burn down there.
    I must have missed something- Where does it say that Chiefengineer11 is from Long Island? Since when is Long Island the suburbs of Philadelphia, where I grew up, in his house?
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    yea i messed up, not sure what I was thinking.

    I see now, just finished reading the hose testing thread where I guy from long island was talking about professional hose testing companies.
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    I think that Webb City does something the like modified hose lay. If you get the dough boy to let you do it on a paid truck let me know.

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    I wasnt aware anyone in the country packed LDH without all the couplings at the front of the bed, "dutchman'd" so that they didnt flip on the layout.

    Heres a video of it in use..

    http://good-times.webshots.com/video...62213598BihwYF

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    We've always out the "Dutchman" in to ensure the couplings didn't flip, but until last year we never had put them all the way at the front. Now, as Buff described, we leave the first 12-18" free of hose until the coupling comes then, they lay in the empty space side by side then on top of each other. We now carry more 5"LDH than we could previously fit 4" in!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    I'm like you, I thought it would make a good training session. But look at this.
    The testing company (Waterways out of Tom's River, N.J., I think) started at about 0930, tested every length of hose we own including what's in the tower, repacked all of it (sort of parade pack), tested all of the ground ladders, gave written reports of their findings and were done and gone at 1430. Two paid guys aren't doing that or anything like it. They sent a short crew out, about 11 people. Normally send 15, but some didn't show up. When they showed up I thought that they had gone down that exit ramp off of I-240 in Memphis where we used to go into Hal Beard's (the Crescent Lighting warehouse) and picked up a bunch of lumpers off of the corner.

    The guy who did the ladders looked like a part-time hippie, but he knew his job and did it well.

    But I gotta admit, they were highly organized and did a decent job. And it needed to be done. They made me a believer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
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    I think that Webb City does something the like modified hose lay. If you get the dough boy to let you do it on a paid truck let me know.
    I may not give much of a choice and try it on Truck 1 sometime. First I'm gonna try it at the vollie department, though.

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    Here's a couple Blitzfioresolo sent me a while back.
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