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    Recently released.

    http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pd...ons/fa_323.pdf

    Discusses chevrons to some extent. I think easy to get too many ft2. Besides looking like crap.

    The point of reflective markings around the perimeter of the body would be easy and seems logical.

    I would be interested in a discussion of the effect on drivers of acres of brite/treadplate (moth to flame) at night. My new tanker/pumper has about 80ft2 of shiny alum (no chevrons) which looks great (by fire service std) but I think is glaring at night in headlights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa
    The point of reflective markings around the perimeter of the body would be easy and seems logical.
    Are you kidding, it "SEEMS LOGICAL"??? We've been doing it for over 20 years now, as well as other departments nation wide.

    Where have you been????

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    NFPA has required the markings around the perimeter for a long time.

    That pretty tread plate won't always be so bright.

    I think the chevrons are ugly, but if means that some jackleg running 75, talking on the phone, and changing a CD sees the ugly chevrons and dosen't hit us because their on the truck I'll take ugly any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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    I think the key point is the use of fluorescent colors, specifically fluorescent yellow.

    The Feds require it in the new vest standard. This new FEMA report mentions the effectiveness of fluorescent colors in several places.

    I'm pushing the use of those colors of my dept, but we've got some old heads that think it "doesn't look good."
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I think the key point is the use of fluorescent colors, specifically fluorescent yellow.
    Our last purchase could have had our choice of chevron colors and until now that had been red/white. While visiting the Toyne factory, and seeing the red/yellow combination we quickly changed to that. The yellow seems to "pop" out much more in any lighting condition as opposed to the white. Easily seen now as you follow our lead trucks on a run! Maybe there was somethinjg to the slime yellow study all those years ago!

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    Adam: Even the fluorescent Yellow won't wake up the new yawkers as they drive up the midcoast with their brains in a fog. once they get off the interstate they go into a brain dead mode

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    Don't amount to schit.If they can't see all them purty lights(which can be seen for a mile)all the Chevrons do is give them a better target.In case I'm the only one to notice,the Intelligence quotient is NOT improving out there on the highways.No amount of shiny is going to offset IGNORANCE/Stupidity. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
    Are you kidding, it "SEEMS LOGICAL"??? We've been doing it for over 20 years now, as well as other departments nation wide.

    Where have you been????

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    Heh clueless, did you read the study so you know what the subject is? OBVIOUSLY NO. Apparently neither did anyone else.

    See pg 24/25. Perimeter - as in around. Around the rear, around each side. Not the beltline stripes which have OBVIOUSLY been on apparatus for many years. The study suggests what they call edge/contour reflective strips. Vertical and horizontal strip at every corner and edge. If you already have these on your apparatus smart guy then post some photos.

    I'd put EDGE strips on our appartus. Not going to retrofit yellow/red chevrons.

    The study also states the the NFPA chevron colors are not in accordance with ASTM standards. So don't fall in love with your chevrons yet.

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    Effectively the same schit as they've been doing to trailers(box)for a few years now. I'd go for that before I'd do those damn Chevrons. Ever follow a new pumper for 10-20 miles at night? Gets REAL old,FAST. Too much governmental intervention for my tastes. T.C.

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    For some ungodly reason the Capt in charge of our spec committee decided he wanted black and white chevrons and had them installed point down on all 6 trucks we bought awhile back. You think the red/yellow ones are ugly you should see these things.

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    I've yet to take time to review the study, but AI'm interested in reading it. Any mention of too much lighting to the rear? This is one thing I've been functionally convinced of: more reflective, chevron pattern, point up, less flashy light to the rear. Rather than blind drivers, we need them to see us and go around. Some clearly are brain dead, and we'll still have to remain somewhat agile and on the edge.

    As for me, pretty trucks isn't anything to me. Function over form every time. Other than CE11 and his LI cronies, most of us don't run parades or parade trucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Effectively the same schit as they've been doing to trailers(box)for a few years now. I'd go for that before I'd do those damn Chevrons. Ever follow a new pumper for 10-20 miles at night? Gets REAL old,FAST. Too much governmental intervention for my tastes. T.C.
    I don't know who thought it was a good idea, and thought fire trucks were any different when driving non-emergency, but its semi-popular here to driver around with your rear beacons (always amber for those that do it) on or with your arrow stick on. After a few blocks behind one of these engines I want to shoot the lights out or follow it back to the firehouse and beat the driver.

    Its an ugly distracting practice that serves no purpose. You don't see other big trucks with an arrow stick or amber beacons and/on whenever its in motion, so why does the fire truck need it when going places non-emergent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    I don't know who thought it was a good idea, and thought fire trucks were any different when driving non-emergency, but its semi-popular here to driver around with your rear beacons (always amber for those that do it) on or with your arrow stick on. After a few blocks behind one of these engines I want to shoot the lights out or follow it back to the firehouse and beat the driver.

    Its an ugly distracting practice that serves no purpose. You don't see other big trucks with an arrow stick or amber beacons and/on whenever its in motion, so why does the fire truck need it when going places non-emergent?
    I agree. It desensitizes people to emergency lighting. We already have that happening around here. Highway trucks, contractors etc... all run around with alternating white strobes flashing in the front and red in the rear.

    I think most people just ignore flashing red lights because they feel it's probably the sewer department just sucking up some cra% and don't feel like slowing down.

    We just add to that when we're driving around with lights flashing and we're just heading down to the DQ.
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