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    So, with so many federal agencies putting a distance between the feds and Acorn, are there any rumblings about the FP&S money they have been awarded will be pulled back?

    I know the awards have been made, but if funds have not been sent....

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    This is just a piece of a much larger story reported by an on line news service I subscribe to.

    Some Republicans are urging the Justice Department to investigate ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, and the Census Bureau last week severed its ties with the group for the 2010 national head-count.

    Asked Wednesday about the controversy, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said that "obviously the conduct that you see on those tapes is completely unacceptable."

    "I think everyone would agree with that. The administration takes accountability extremely seriously," Gibbs said. "I think the Census Bureau evaluated and determined that this group could not meet the bureau's goal of achieving a fair and accurate count in 2010."

    Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Fla., said he's asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency to repeal a nearly $1 million grant it awarded to ACORN earlier this month.

    FEMA awarded $997,402 to ACORN in New Orleans on Sept. 4 as part of its Fire Prevention and Safety Grants program. The group plans to use the money to assess fire safety in the homes of low and moderate-income families and hand out smoke and carbon monoxide detectors and other fire prevention gear, ACORN's Brennan Griffin said.

    FEMA had no immediate comment on Bilirakis' request.

    Gibbs said he assumed that federal agencies "constantly evaluate to ensure that any grantee is living up to what has to happen in order to fulfill that grant application."

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    DHS is on top of AFG related ones, some of the other federal agencies fall mighty short. Only enough staff to send money out but not account for it. Luckily with the fire service involved in the AFG design issues are few and far between because of the oversight requirements of the programs.

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    So riddle me this Batman ::
    Why do they hand out 997,000.00 to the bunch of bozos at acorn, when a small volunteer department that asks for 10 grand to accomplish the same thing gets denied.??????
    Somehow it just doesn't make sense.

    Oh Wait: I figured it out, we didn't ask for 980,000.00 to do an assessment of risk.

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    All I know is - if it is not given to them, maybe some of the 10k departments WILL get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    So riddle me this Batman ::
    Why do they hand out 997,000.00 to the bunch of bozos at acorn, when a small volunteer department that asks for 10 grand to accomplish the same thing gets denied.??????
    Somehow it just doesn't make sense.

    Oh Wait: I figured it out, we didn't ask for 980,000.00 to do an assessment of risk.

    Because the volunteers are going to go out AS VOLUNTEERS and do the distribution and installation. ACORN is going to take most of that money and hire some people to run the program.
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    I say, use the funds for reward money for whistleblowers inside ACORN. Initiate a real investigation once and for all and stop this flood of money to corrupt outcomes. Their whole hidden agenda is to take as much as they can and promote one party over another. It may have started with good intentions, but there isn't enough money in the world to satisfy their corruption. Probably one of the worst value per dollar programs there is. Call it what it is. Eliminate it. Now.

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    Oh! And don't let ACORN investigate ACORN!

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    Regardless of anyone's political leaning, you gotta admit there's a pattern of corruption with ACORN. I can't believe they are getting almost $1 million in FP&S funding while dozens or more small and volunteer departments are getting turned down for funding requests. Being one of those that got a DJ this year, I would love to see the ACORN award be repealed and the money redistributed to some of those who got a DJ for 08. I'm contacting my reps and senators today to suggest that very thing and encourage others to do so as well. Make your voice heard and let them know if you are unhappy about your taxpayer money going to organizations with known histories of corruption!!

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    I'd like to find out how much involvement NOFD or other area departments were going to have in the effort. If none, highly suspicious. If they were going to be involved in the training of the public for the installations, tracking, checkups, and all the right things that the rest of us would be doing then I'd say that on this effort they'd be doing the right thing by the program and their residents so let them have it. Now if they're paying people to go do this then goes back to the shady thing, but if the bulk of that money was going to detectors then I'll have a hard time condemning them for getting the award. Even a broken watch is right twice a day, so this could be the lone morally and ethically "right" effort these wingnuts do.

    Other than that should have every state attorney general's office go over their books. If the glove fits...

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    Is this a sign of things to come for AFG?
    Considering the changes to SAFER that provide more funds for paid, (union) departments it may be a forecast of things to come.

    CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!!!

    FPS Grants awarded to organizations that supported President Obama and other questionable awards:

    $779,520 Chicago FD
    $749,987 IAFF
    $997,402 Acorn (of the $1million designated for cities under 1,000,000 people)
    $750,000 IAFF Burn Foundation
    $996,500 National Fallen Firefighters Foundation (and they teach fire prevention how?)
    $947,470 International Assoc of Arson Investigators
    $724,759 University of Illinois
    $999,200 Underwriters Lab (located in - you guessed it Illinois)

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    Projects don't have to teach fire prevention like FDs do, that's why it's the Fire Prevention and Safety program. Research projects are eligible. As much as I'm already a suspect of some things happening because of favors being done, most if not all of these organizations have gotten larger FP awards in the past long before Obama was in office.

    Personally I think all any time a non-FD gets awarded for a research project I think they need to post what they're trying to do so that rumors don't start flying. Of course it's all FOIA information so if anyone feels like calling them they have to report what they're doing. I have plenty to keep me occupied for right now myself, maybe something for the to-do list later. Heading to the Texas Honor Ride gathering tomorrow with the family, honor those injured while in military service.

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    I just happened to think of this thread while I was reading an article about Harry Reid denying requests for senate hearings on ACORN. At the very bottom of the article, it states...

    Republicans on the House Homeland Security Committee called on the Federal Emergency Management Agency to rescind a nearly $1 million fire safety and prevention grant awarded to ACORN this month.

    Maybe another million will be let loose to some deserving departments.

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    Hmm, everyone else seems to want to cut funding to them and investigate, why is the good Senator against that I wonder...

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    [QUOTE=BC79er;1098480]Hmm, everyone else seems to want to cut funding to them and investigate, why is the good Senator against that I wonder...[/QUOTE

    Just get rid of ACORN and every agency like them. Maybe better to lock the doors of the UN after what just happened. We pay 90% of the operating funds just to let them tell us how bad America is. Just like our leader did. What Rot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southerngirl62 View Post
    Is this a sign of things to come for AFG?
    Considering the changes to SAFER that provide more funds for paid, (union) departments it may be a forecast of things to come.

    CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!!!

    FPS Grants awarded to organizations that supported President Obama and other questionable awards:

    $779,520 Chicago FD
    $749,987 IAFF
    $997,402 Acorn (of the $1million designated for cities under 1,000,000 people)
    $750,000 IAFF Burn Foundation
    $996,500 National Fallen Firefighters Foundation (and they teach fire prevention how?)
    $947,470 International Assoc of Arson Investigators
    $724,759 University of Illinois
    $999,200 Underwriters Lab (located in - you guessed it Illinois)
    do not now about the other recipiants above but the one to the U OF I is to the fire service institute and helps fund the cornerstone program. this is for training at you department. with qualified instructors at no cost to the hosting dept. i have in the past hosted a pumper ops two day class, a grain bin rescue class and a tanker/tender relay pumping class that brought a lot of knowlage to us small voll deptments. check out there web site to see what this $ does. google illinois fire service insitute.
    Randy Meyer Chief S.T.F.P.D.

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    Hey, did they decide to give ACORN the $900,000.00 anyway? I thought they had stopped that, but just read here something about they may be getting the funding anyway. I haven't checked it out, maybe they have it wrong, but that would be infuriating if they did.

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    From what I have read, there are a few senators that are asking that DHS take the money away, but the dems do hold the majority and they normally stick with ACORN. I don't think anything official has been said.

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    If it's a valid project then I don't see why the beneficiaries should suffer, but I think any admin costs to pay someone to run the project should be highly scrutinized. The funding they're pulling was all money for "fuzzy stuff" that isn't easily accounted for, and may not have a solid benefit to the public. Most of that other HUD money went to pay people to adminster the HUD money instead of directly helping people. If this one is for detectors, fire prevention classes, and things along those lines then it's easily quantifiable as to where the money went and they can make sure it isn't getting hidden anywhere. If $850k of that $900k is going to the public for safety projects then they're doing the right thing with it and I say let them have it. But someone should run over everything they do with a really fine-toothed comb.

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    I almost have to disagree. Even if the monies intended use is legitimate, ACORN cannot use those funds to help re-establish their legitimacy. That organization failed to even regulate themselves. Combine that with past law breaking, continued ethics violations and shady associations, no amount of trust can be afforded or allowed to them now. Their corruption was revealed in not one but many of their offices throughout the country and with many issues in the past and recently. The fact is they blew it. Big-time and no matter how much some can exalt the good that they do, they never will be trusted again. They cannot be trusted again and deserve no financial support. If they want to exist, let them make an application for an employer ID number and business loan from a bank, only. Make sure they charge for their services rendered and exists as a business and without government support. That is the only option I want them allowed. That or they need to disappear.
    They are what is wrong with American.
    Sorry, Its just how I view them.
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    Story in the Washington Times today. They got and are keeping the money.

    Firefighters lose large U.S. grant to ACORN


    Audrey Hudson

    Nearly $1 million in Homeland Security funding typically earmarked for fire departments has been awarded to ACORN, despite a clear signal from Congress that it intends to cut off federal funding to the embattled group.

    The grant to ACORN's Louisiana office became public on Oct. 2, less than three weeks after the House and Senate voted to cut off ACORN funding after employees were caught on video advising a fake prostitute and pimp on scams.

    It was one of only three such grants issued to the state and made up almost 80 percent of the firefighting money earmarked for Louisiana, prompting one of the U.S. senators from the state to demand that the funds be taken back.

    "I request that you rescind this grant based on a history of abuse of federal dollars by ACORN and their clear lack of expertise in this area," said Sen. David Vitter, Louisiana Republican.

    The group has headquarters in Louisiana.

    When asked how the money would be spent, ACORN spokesman Brian Kettenring issued a statement criticizing the senator, who confessed in the past to having used an escort service.

    "Senator Vitter knows a lot more about prostitution rings than anyone here does, so we'll defer to him on any matters pertaining to the videos attacking ACORN," the statement read. It did not explain how the group plans to spend the Federal Emergency Management Agency grant.

    Mr. Vitter, who was routinely notified of the grant before it became public, sent his letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano on Sept. 22, saying the money should be given "to a more deserving group of first responders."

    One such group might have been the St. Tammany Parish Fire District No. 3, which applied for a $120,000 grant to purchase smoke alarms for low-income families after a January fire killed four childrenin a home that had no working detectors.

    "We wanted to buy smoke detectors to spread to homes all over the community to prevent that from happening again," Chief Charles Flynn said in an interview Tuesday.

    "I have no problem with not getting a grant, I've lost grants before," said Chief Flynn, one of the fire officials who complained to Mr. Vitter in a letter.

    "My issue is ACORN in New Orleans. Their mission statement says nothing about fire safety or fire prevention. It bothered me that ACORN got $1 million and there are so many smaller and bigger departments that have a need for that money."

    The Monroe Fire Department was the only squad in Louisiana to receive a grant and will be awarded $192,000. The Louisiana State Fire Marshal's Office will receive $62,000.

    ACORN received $997,402, slightly less than the maximum allowable grant of $1 million. A total of $35 million was available for the grants project to fire districts across the country this year.

    "Several Louisiana fire departments have voiced their serious concerns to me over the award of these funds to ACORN," Mr. Vitter said in the letter.

    "We can all understand that there are never enough funds to allocate for all the deserving requests of fire departments, and each year there are many more requests than funds available," he wrote. "But when so many fire departments throughout the nation are struggling for funding for important and lifesaving projects, how is it that a non-fire department with no clear expertise in fire safety and prevention is given such a large award for fire safety?"

    "These firefighters that put their lives on the line for the safety of their communities deserve a full explanation of this award," Mr. Vitter said.

    The money, formally awarded for fiscal year 2008, was given to the ACORN Institute, which bills itself as a research and training facility "to combat the poverty, discrimination and community deterioration that keeps low-income people from taking advantage of their rights and opportunities."

    This is the second year ACORN has been awarded the fire prevention and safety grant. In the 2007 fiscal year, ACORN received $450,484 out of Louisiana's $859,596 share.

    Matthew Chandler, Homeland Security spokesman, said Ms. Napolitano will respond directly to Mr. Vitter.

    "The department does not respond to correspondence through the media," Mr. Chandler said.

    Mr. Vitter's office said the senator had not received a response as of Tuesday afternoon.

    FEMA spokesman Clark Stevens said no funds had been distributed.

    FEMA's Web site says that in addition to fire departments, the grants are sometimes awarded to community organizations that are "recognized for their experience and expertise in fire prevention and safety programs and activities."

    Out of 200 fire-prevention and research grants announced last week to fire organizations, governments and universities primarily, a half-dozen went to community groups that included ACORN; Safe Kids of Clark County, Nevada; Geneva County Children's Non-Profit Council of Alabama; and the Healthy Homes Coalition of West Michigan.

    The money can be used for purchasing smoke detectors, media campaigns, arson-prevention programs, and wildfire prevention.

    Republicans had long been critical of ACORN, which also is under investigation in several states on voter-fraud and other corruption charges. But Democrats have begun abandoning the group since the series of sting videos were released on Andrew Breitbart's investigative Web site biggovernment.com starting in early September.

    The Senate voted Sept. 14 to cut off funding for ACORN in response to the release; the House followed suit three days later. The two bills will have to be combined before a final vote takes place.

    However, the Internal Revenue Service says it will eject ACORN from the agency's volunteer tax assistance program, and the Census Bureau has excluded the group from helping with the 2010 census.

    The FEMA grant was revealed as ACORN Chief Executive Officer Bertha Lewis and Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell sparred over how much money was embezzled from the group by a top official nearly a decade ago.

    ACORN says less than $1 million was stolen, but the attorney general claims the figure is as high as $5 million.

    "This is speculation, completely false and not based on any documentation or any audit or anything other than two disgruntled former board members," Ms. Lewis said Tuesday at a National Press Club news conference during which she accused the group's critics of racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomwnh View Post
    Story in the Washington Times today. They got and are keeping the money.
    Don't believe everything you read in the papers...after all there's a slight delay in writing an article and reality. Funding is frozen on this award and highly unlikely to be removed as of this morning. The funding will be going elsewhere.

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    So where does one find a detailed report on how Acorn spent the $450484 they skimmed last year? Any payroll or expenses to Bernice, Darius, and Reggie not being legitimate use of funds from this program.

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