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    The government here in the Keystone State of Pennsylvania is now considering (and dangerously close to passing) a budget that includes a 20% tax on profits from raffles and bingo placed upon its volunteer fire companies.
    Do other states have this? I know that for most small companies this will be devastating!


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    Quote Originally Posted by black14sheep View Post
    The government here in the Keystone State of Pennsylvania is now considering (and dangerously close to passing) a budget that includes a 20% tax on profits from raffles and bingo placed upon its volunteer fire companies.
    Do other states have this? I know that for most small companies this will be devastating!
    Curious how they can do this to a NPO? Are you classified as a 501.3c organization? If not, I'd highly recommend that you look into it
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    i know here in new york they do ( then again there isnt much left that they havent found to tax). there is a cap on how much you can profit before the tax is imposed however. I believe here we can bring in around $10,000 annually before we have to report it for tax purposes.

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    Sorry Black Sheep but I have no pity in my heart for some of the "Bingo Kingdoms" here in Pennsylvania, who have millions of dollars of top-notch apparatus in their fleet and money literally flowing out of their bank accounts. There is one outfit near where I am located that has weekly bingo games, that has two engines, one heavy rescue and a tower ladder, all built by a top-of-the-line builder from Wisconsin. They are all less than 5 years old, and might run 200 runs a year on a busy year. I recently heard a rumor that they now want to start replacing the fleet due to the same Mfr. coming out with a new cab style that they want to have. We won't even talk about their "Garage-Mahal" palace of a firehouse that they have. And yes, this is a small-town operation that is a "non-profit."

    Do I pity the true small-town operation that really DESERVES no taxes be drawn on their operation? Of course I do. But the plethora of idiots as described above will make it difficult for the truly deserving to warrant their status.
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    If they can raise the money, and are providing good fire protection to the community they serve, then who is to say how they spend it?

    If funds were being used for purposes other than fire protection and the service provided was suffering, I would agree with you. But if they are doing thier jobs and acting right, then let them spend thier money the way they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    If they can raise the money, and are providing good fire protection to the community they serve, then who is to say how they spend it?

    If funds were being used for purposes other than fire protection and the service provided was suffering, I would agree with you. But if they are doing thier jobs and acting right, then let them spend thier money the way they want.
    I agree with you 100%. The problem here is that they are crying the blues because the state wants to tax their earnings. As previously stated, some of these places of money falling out of their asses. They light their cigars with $50 bills......
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    Sounds like a bit of jealousy for the "bingo kingdoms".

    I think to tax Volunteer Fire Departments is an insult on top of an insult, I don't care for what purposes. ANY tax.

    Are they also charging or do they already charge churches for their bingo games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Sounds like a bit of jealousy for the "bingo kingdoms".

    I think to tax Volunteer Fire Departments is an insult on top of an insult, I don't care for what purposes. ANY tax.

    Are they also charging or do they already charge churches for their bingo games?
    Agreed. Non profit is non profit, regardless of how much money they can raise and the surplus they may have left over.

    Sounds like a sleezy way for the state to generate some extra fundage if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Sounds like a bit of jealousy for the "bingo kingdoms". I hardly think so. Our operating budget is in seven figures with two engines, one special service unit, two ALS ambulances, and full-time career personnel to augment volunteer staffing.

    I think to tax Volunteer Fire Departments is an insult on top of an insult, I don't care for what purposes. ANY tax. I agree. But when you have these Bingo Kingdoms who have money falling out of their asses while at the same time you also have companies on the other side of the County who also do bingo but can barely pay for fuel, and the big guys bitch about being taxed? Something isn't right.

    Are they also charging or do they already charge churches for their bingo games? I dont believe that they are but can not say for sure. Any Non Profit in Pa. is not taxed and you would think that any church who does it would be NP. If FD's are now taxed should they be also? Absolutely.
    Not jealous at all. Just irritated that they are going to make it harder for the "little guys" who depend on the Bingo (for their very existence) to justify their arguments against being taxed.
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    By the way Black Sheep, do you have a house bill number on this or a copy of the text? I searched and could not find anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Agreed. Non profit is non profit, regardless of how much money they can raise and the surplus they may have left over.

    Sounds like a sleezy way for the state to generate some extra fundage if you ask me.

    If they are not for profit - Are they not already paying uncle Sam as the income would exceed the $25,000.00 threshold in any three years ? Does the keystone gang get any local or state funding ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Not jealous at all. Just irritated that they are going to make it harder for the "little guys" who depend on the Bingo (for their very existence) to justify their arguments against being taxed.
    I'm sorry, I don't understand.

    You have a problem with the successful bingo operators complaining, but the little bingo operators are okay to complain?

    The tax is wrong regardless of how successful the bingo is.
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    Default Tax them and tax them hard.

    They should TAX them ... tax'em soooo hard that they have to buy old equipment and endanger the lives of the 50 dollar bill gigar lighting jerks. Once a few of these guys die the firemen on the other side of county will start feeling better .... and the guys in the next town over who depend on these volunteers for mutual aid .... the will feel much better to if some of these guys die while doing mutal aid too ....

    ... because as we all know ...

    massive state governments know much better how to spend money than let those who actually work to get it and keep it in the towns that generate it.

    A small 20% tax could let many MORE people sit home on welfare WITH BIGGER CHECKS and not work ... this way they can sit around all day and think of ways to cause general social disruption and crime

    TAX'EM HARD I SAY..

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    So let me see. The guys donate their time, work hard doing fund raisers, and this should be taxed to subsidize someone elses salary. That is messed up.

    Perhaps those places that have earned all that money rather than give it to the government should pay their members. After all, we aren't going to t ax the paid guys on their budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    The tax is wrong regardless of how successful the bingo is.
    Same point I was trying to make.
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    Here is a link to a newspaper article that may be of help-

    http://republicanherald.com/news/leg...ia_budget_deal

    From the article- "The volunteer fire halls and social clubs that run small games of chance such as raffles and punchboard tickets would see changes under this agreement. It calls for levying a 20 percent tax on small games receipts after prize payouts and increasing the maximum prize limits for individual and weekly games."

    I don't really know if bill numbers have yet been assigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    So let me see. The guys donate their time, work hard doing fund raisers, and this should be taxed to subsidize someone elses salary. That is messed up.
    Tell that to the Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Tell that to the Democrats.
    Don't get him started.. please.
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    Bingos and casinos, at least in Alberta, were and probably still are, a main revenue source for charities. I never heard of any fire association involved in them as thats pretty much under gov't auspices here. There was alot of controversy back in the 90s over the amount of money some clubs brought in as compared to others. They solved it by pooling. Every three months, total proceeds were divided equally among all member clubs depending on the number of Bingos run. It seemed to work pretty well.

    PS. No charitable organization is taxed here although there are rules on what they can use the money for. They must file a certified financial report yearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Tell that to the Democrats.
    It isn't just he democrats, their republican clones are just as bad. The politicians of this country are totally out of touch and clueless.

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