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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We spend as much on defense as the next 14 nations combined. How much is enough?
    I'd guess if your son or daugthter was in an unarmored Hum-Vee or didn't have a rear armor plate for body armor, you'd think we weren't spending quite enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I agree with that. How many times has the U.S. tired to push its will on another Sovereign nation only to see it crumble when we leave. Korea, Viet Nam, come too mind. What do you think will happen when we live Iraq? They will revert to the same old way of doing things only this time without Saddam and his two boys. Why do you think we still have troops stationed in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Serbia?

    We don't need to have troops stationed around the world. We can deploy them and have them their at a moments notice. Our military is far more mobile (the M in MASH stands for Mobile )

    Hasn't every Nation that every tried to take over the world failed?
    1. South Korea has not collapsed and we have not left (ask the 2nd ID)
    2. Mobility of the troops isn't the issue...getting tanks, trucks, etc. to the warzone is.
    3. If we wanted to take over the world, we would have done it after WW2, instead of turning Europe and Japan back to home rule.
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    I have a different opinion of another nation's sovereignty when they start interfering with mine. Sort of like your rights end where mine begin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I have a different opinion of another nation's sovereignty when they start interfering with mine. Sort of like your rights end where mine begin.
    But your rights also end somewhere.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemanjb View Post
    I'd guess if your son or daugthter was in an unarmored Hum-Vee or didn't have a rear armor plate for body armor, you'd think we weren't spending quite enough.
    Agreed. That's a priority issue. I have to ask why the thought of spending resources on this program were even remotely considered prior to our equipment being properly prepared and configured for a war of choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I knew we agreed on this point. That very plot was discovered this week.
    This keeps up, people will accuse us of having a bromance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Agreed. That's a priority issue. I have to ask why the thought of spending resources on this program were even remotely considered prior to our equipment being properly prepared and configured for a war of choice.
    Thanks Mr Militarysupporter.

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    Who was running the US military in 1994? What Party? Can't hear you. Who gutted the US military during his term in office? "Peace Dividend". Anyone remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Thanks Mr Militarysupporter.

    1994 plans ... US Air Force

    Who was running the US military in 1994? What Party? Can't hear you. Who gutted the US military during his term in office? "Peace Dividend". Anyone remember?
    So it's Clinton's fault? And who was in charge of congress during those years?

    When I mentioned Bush deficit spending I'm always reminded by numbnuts conservatives that spending comes out of congress. So who was in charge of congress submitting spending bills that gutted the military? Even though that isn't really true either.

    Run along farmboy. Aren't there some ewes needing your attention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And we'll be stuck having to go in when another terrorist plot executed on American soil is prepared there.
    Of course if we weren't sticking our noses in everyone elses business then they wouldn't be upset with us. Bring ALL of our troops home and mind our own business. When you attack us we flatten you just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And who was in charge of congress during those years?
    103rd United States Congress
    Duration: January 3, 1993 – January 3, 1995
    Senate Majority: Democratic Party
    House Majority: Democratic Party

    Hey lying libtarded slumlord, tell us why Barry lowered his "count" of the uninsured? In the past it was 47 million, in his propaganda speech the other night, he said it was 30. This is the 4th time you've been challenged, and still no answer.

    And show us where anyone in the Bush admin said that the Iraq War wouldn't cost any American tax dollars. This is the 6th time you've been asked.

    Can you show us all where I, or other members of this site, were critical of the CBO's forecasts under the Bush Administration? 4th time.

    This has been another rebuttal of the lying libtarded marxist slumlord brought to you by a simple southern boy from NC.



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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    103rd United States Congress
    Duration: January 3, 1993 – January 3, 1995
    Senate Majority: Democratic Party
    House Majority: Democratic Party
    That is the same group that got us the il-advised NAFTA, Don't Ask, don' tell, and the Brady Bill. Oh yea they also created this Community Development Banking and Financial Institutions Act of 1994, which helped crash the housing market.

    They also gave us the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993

    * It created 36 percent and 39.6 income tax rates for individuals.
    * It created a 35 percent income tax rate for corporations.
    * The cap on Medicare taxes was repealed.
    * Transportation fuels taxes were raised by 4.3 cents per gallon.
    * The taxable portion of Social Security benefits was raised.
    * The phase-out of the personal exemption and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.
    * Part IV Section 14131: Expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit and added inflation adjustments

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    That is the same group that got us...
    And don't forget the now defunct "Assault Weapons Ban" which was my political wake-up call.

    I wasn't very political active until about 2002-03. Some friends at my station invited me to go shooting. I brought my pistols and rifles, but one guy had an AR-15. One magazine and I was hooked. Low and behold, I discovered that I couldn't purchase one because of this cockamamie 1994 law that was set to expire in 2004. The more I read the details of the law, the more I realized how screwed up our politicians can be, and how easily they can screw with your freedoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    103rd United States Congress
    Duration: January 3, 1993 – January 3, 1995
    Senate Majority: Democratic Party
    House Majority: Democratic Party
    So Clinton gutted in the military in only his first two years? You're not that bright are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Hey lying libtarded slumlord, tell us why Barry lowered his "count" of the uninsured? In the past it was 47 million, in his propaganda speech the other night, he said it was 30. This is the 4th time you've been challenged, and still no answer.
    Because I don't write his speeches. You'll have to ask him.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    And show us where anyone in the Bush admin said that the Iraq War wouldn't cost any American tax dollars. This is the 6th time you've been asked.
    He never stated it was going to cost anywhere close to its actual costs. Members of his administration stated oil revenues were going to offset the expense. That hasn't happened either.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Can you show us all where I, or other members of this site, were critical of the CBO's forecasts under the Bush Administration? 4th time.
    Anyone on this Board (or anywhere else) who believed the Bush tax cuts would be beneficial were critical of the CBO. Something doesn't have to be directly stated in order to be accurate. Not that you would know.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    This has been another rebuttal of the lying libtarded marxist slumlord brought to you by a simple southern boy from NC.
    I own commercial property. Inspected by the local FD every year. You're correct about being a simpleton.

    So moonbat. I answered your questions.

    How about you answer mine.

    1. At what point in time is a President responsible for the actions and events that occur during his administration? When he takes office or a time frame later?

    2. Why do believe my wife's making more money than I is a negative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So Clinton gutted in the military in only his first two years? You're not that bright are you?
    Nope, Clinton spent 8 years cutting the military by 40%

    He never stated it was going to cost anywhere close to its actual costs. Members of his administration stated oil revenues were going to offset the expense. That hasn't happened either.
    Please cite a source for this. That is a false talking point from the Huffers Post.

    Anyone on this Board (or anywhere else) who believed the Bush tax cuts would be beneficial were critical of the CBO. Something doesn't have to be directly stated in order to be accurate. Not that you would know.
    So let me get this straight. the government pumping in trillions of dollars it doesn't have to the the economy is good. But leaving the money there in the first place is bad. Tax increases are detrimental to the economy according to your logic. So decreases should be beneficial.

    1. At what point in time is a President responsible for the actions and events that occur during his administration? When he takes office or a time frame later?
    He is responsible for his actions immediately. The events will always take time. For instance Cash for clunkers caused a 1 month spike in car sales. Now we are right back where we were before the program, it did nothing but waste $3 billion of tax payer money.

    2. Why do believe my wife's making more money than I is a negative?
    Ones personal finances are immaterial. Who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So Clinton gutted in the military in only his first two years? You're not that bright are you?
    I didn't accuse anyone of gutting anything. You're trying to attribute neiowa's statement to me. FAIL. One of your 6,817 stupid statements drew attention to a plan that was drawn up in 1994. It specifically states it was created in 1994. Did you not read your own link? Then you go on a rant asking: "So who was in charge of congress?"

    I simply pointed out the answer to your question, something you seem incapable of doing. Yet you have the gall to accuse me of not being bright. Judging by your history with the cost of wars, and fiscal years, no one would expect much more from you. Look on the bright side, at least no one here was disappointed.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Because I don't write his speeches. You'll have to ask him.
    Or maybe like you, he invents facts as he needs them to justify his libtardedness.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The facts hurt.
    Something you're learning with every post I make.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    He never stated it was going to cost anywhere close to its actual costs.
    That isn't what you originally said, and not what I asked. You stated: :"...the issue was sold to Americans as not going to cost any taxpayer dollars."

    Saying it over and over won't make it true. You can either show us where a Bush Admin official said the war would not cost anything, or we can assume you're a liar.

    You wanna use one of your lifelines? Ask someone else, surely you're not the pinnacle of intelligence in libtardville.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Members of his administration stated oil revenues were going to offset the expense. That hasn't happened either.
    Who? When? Where?


    Paul Wolfowitz said that Iraq had such vast oil revenues that it COULD fund it's own RECONSTRUCTION IF it chose to.

    Note that he only mentions RECONSTRUCTION, not the entire military operation. Also note that he said Iraq COULD fund it with oil revenues, NOT that it would. He only mentioned their sovereign capabilities.

    What is said is one thing. What you heard is another. The difference between those two can be blamed on no one but you.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Anyone on this Board (or anywhere else) who believed the Bush tax cuts would be beneficial were critical of the CBO.
    Again you attempt to lump all conservatives in one pot without so much as a yoctogram of evidence to support your position. Would love to see it. The Search function should make it easy to find any of those posts.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Something doesn't have to be directly stated in order to be accurate. Not that you would know.
    So now you want to start accepting things you say without evidence to support that statement, while you continually call other posters out (like here & here) for not substantiating their statements. "Good for Yee but no for me." You sound like the Massachusetts legislature.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So moonbat. I answered your questions.

    How about you answer mine.

    1. At what point in time is a President responsible for the actions and events that occur during his administration? When he takes office or a time frame later?

    2. Why do believe my wife's making more money than I is a negative?
    I answered both of those questions already, and I've already told you that once. If you'd bother reading a little more, rather than spending all your time clicking the button, maybe you'd have read it by now.

    And since you're finally in the mood, try answering some more questions that have already been posed to you before:
    How much of your wife's money you wanna bet that Hussein's deficits make Bush's look like chump change?

    Is it OK to run deficits to pay for everything, or only the Jackass programs?

    You claim everyone is a liberal by today's standards. Reagan, TR, who's next? Lincoln? Ike?


    This has been another rebuttal of the lying libtarded marxist slumlord brought to you by a simple southern boy from NC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy View Post
    Nope, Clinton spent 8 years cutting the military by 40%
    Spending bills come out of congress. Don't you remember? Congress had GOP majorities six of those eight years.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy View Post
    Please cite a source for this. That is a false talking point from the Huffers Post.
    Already done. You look it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy View Post
    So let me get this straight. the government pumping in trillions of dollars it doesn't have to the the economy is good. But leaving the money there in the first place is bad. Tax increases are detrimental to the economy according to your logic. So decreases should be beneficial.
    In the global economy you posit about on a regular basis, you will never have to worry about your village outsourcing its idiot position.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy View Post
    He is responsible for his actions immediately. The events will always take time. For instance Cash for clunkers caused a 1 month spike in car sales. Now we are right back where we were before the program, it did nothing but waste $3 billion of tax payer money.
    The WSJ and the Fed disagree with you. See above remarks.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy View Post
    Ones personal finances are immaterial. Who cares?
    Moonbat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This keeps up, people will accuse us of having a bromance.
    Jerk! (That should do it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Jerk! (That should do it).
    Muchas gracias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat View Post
    I didn't accuse anyone gutted anything.
    My bad. I get you and idiotboy confused. I'm sure you understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat View Post
    Note that he only mentions RECONSTRUCTION, not the entire military operation. Also note that he said Iraq COULD fund it with oil revenues, NOT that it would. He only mentioned their sovereign capabilities.
    And he was wrong about that as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat View Post
    What is said is one thing. What you heard is another.
    So you approved of a war that is slated to cost well into the trillions of dollars? What benefit did we gain for the expending of those lives and resources?

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat View Post
    And since you're finally in the mood, try answering some more questions that have already been posed to you before:
    How much of your wife's money you wanna bet that Hussein's deficits make Bush's look like chump change?
    I've already explained the necessity of doing the Stimulus Bill in order to prevent the economic collapse that could have occurred had nothing been done.

    Your link says you already the question. I didn't read it. Then again I read very little of your moronic writings for any other than comic relief.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat View Post
    Is it OK to run deficits to pay for everything, or only the Jackass programs?
    Which programs are jackass programs? The ones that don't benefit you?

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat View Post
    You claim everyone is a liberal by today's standards. Reagan, TR, who's next? Lincoln? Ike?
    Lincoln for freeing slaves (states rights). Ike for funding what even many conservatives of the time considered a pork barrel (Interstate Highway System). Thank you for asking.

    This has been another rebuttal of the lying libtarded marxist slumlord brought to you by a simple southern boy from NC.
    Yet I've managed to have a relative amount of success as a marxist libtard and a simple southern boy is angry at his own failed life. That much is obvious by your writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So you approved of a war that is slated to cost well into the trillions of dollars? What benefit did we gain for the expending of those lives and resources?
    And we spent Billions bombing the former Yugoslav Republic. What benefit did we gain?

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