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    Default Freightliner VS International

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    My vote is for International.

    You didn't mention KW, I put them ahead of either two.

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    as of 2010 international will be ahead o the the other 2 because as far as i know they are the only engine manufacturer that has managed to meet the new requirements without having a urea tank (and that stuff is expensive)
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    pre-2004, I'd have said FL.
    04-09, I vote for KW
    2010 looks like IH will step up a notch or two.
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    Fifteen years ago we spent extra money for a Freightliner for our Special Service truck. It was done partly on my say so, and I still believe that at that time it was a good call. The truck has held up well with a minimum of problems.

    I do get to drive both Freightliner and International. Both are very nice trucks, much better than back then. But today I would lean toward International. That's from a driveablility standpoint. From serviceability I believe that they're pretty much equal and it would come down to who gives the best support in your local.

    I also drive an occasional Kenworth. Once upon a time I thought KW was the creme de la creme of trucks. That was before I ever drove one. Then I had to drive a COE tractor for about 3 weeks straight. Before I pulled away from the dock the first time, I knew I hated that truck. Every KW I've driven since then was a nightmare, except for the most recent one. That was about a month ago. It was a 4 door conversion with a pumper body. It was actually pretty nice. But they still retain one of my biggest dislikes - whatever you reach for in a KW is somewhere else.
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    I find that interesting because it seems like Kenworth chassis are used on lower end trucks.

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    Also, have you seen the pierce Multi Cab? A good reason to go with KW.

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    Default my opinion....

    First.....go with a custom cab - safest of all the options

    second.....International

    third.....Freightliner

    International has Electronic Stability Control available, Freightliner is still working on that safety feature. International has better room in the rear seating of a 4 door.

    If price matters, the order would be reversed.

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    I would go with a custom cab for MOST vehicles, But it seems things like: tankers, support vehicles, wildland trucks, and some pumpers are better with commercial cabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue61 View Post
    I would go with a custom cab for MOST vehicles, But it seems things like: tankers, support vehicles, wildland trucks, and some pumpers are better with commercial cabs.
    unfortunately no one makes a 2 man custom cab anymore
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    I know pierce, spartan, KME and seagrave still do not sure about others.
    But they are very rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoosemanKBB527 View Post
    unfortunately no one makes a 2 man custom cab anymore
    The "ER" and "LTD" cabs are both two man style on the Spartan Gladiator.
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    hmmmm :Open mouth insert foot:

    thanks i can use this for our meeting tonight
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    Default 4x4

    Which manufacturer is considered to have a better 4x4 system? Do both FL and IH do their conversions in house or do they send out units to an upfiter like Fontaine or similar operation?

    I doubt neither manufacturer's standard 4x4 system allows for a tremendous degree of off road travel, but for those that see a lot of wintry conditions these seem popular.

    Also, many manufacturers will do a similar cab like the Pierce Multicab. Rosenbauer, Custom-Fire, and Fort Gary come to mind.

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    Peterbilt above all

    You may close the thread now

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    Freightshakers that I'm familiar with are a nightmare(wiring)from a service standpoint. Internationals are more service friendly.We've run Internationals since the 70's with great success. T.C.

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    Default 4 x 4 chassis

    The power companies in this part of the world pretty much use the Navistar 4x4 chassis std. for their off road line repair trucks. I think the Navistars are built on-line as 4x4's while I think the Freightliner is a conversion. Anyone know for sure?

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    IH has built their own 4x4 (and 6x6) for many years.

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    In the 2010 emissions shake down Navistar is the best chance to avoid Urea after treatment. They are using advanced EGR technology.
    Freightliner is a product of daimler benz and the corporate shake up & uncertainty of who will survive. They already dumped the Sterling line and it is rumored there will be more changes to the products they offer as the down economy continues. Navistar is reasonably stable financially and seems to be maintaining it's market share.
    Now if they would come back out with a cabover or cab forward chassis design in a heavy enough weight class to mount fire trucks & tankers on. For a while they were in negotiations with GMC to buy the Medium duty & T series cabovers, but that deal never materialized.

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