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    [White House: Fox is 'opinion journalism masquerading as news'

    (CNN) — The Obama White House is ramping up its offensive against Fox News.

    This summer, President Obama signaled his unhappiness with the network. "We've got one television station entirely devoted to attacking my administration."

    Over the past month, that discontent has translated into an all-out war against Fox. Last month, Obama notably skipped a sitdown with Fox as he plugged his health care bill in one-on-one interviews on every other major news network. Earlier this month, the White House published a rare blog post directly attacking a news organization, slamming Fox for its "disregard for the facts" and pointing readers to an independent fact-checking organization that had debunked "more Fox lies."

    Now, White House Communications Director Anita Dunn is questioning whether Fox is in the news business at all. "It's opinion journalism masquerading as news," she told Time of the news network, in an interview released Thursday. Dunn also made it clear this won't be the last White House blast aimed at the network: "They are boosting their audience. But that doesn't mean we are going to sit back."
    Beautiful, Now the chosen one is trying to control the Media as well. What knucklehead fails to realize is that FOX was also critical of Bush. FOX is the only network that actually reports the news and holds no punches. Sounds like Obama can't handle the heat.

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    As we all know,history is written by the winners which makes me worry about how this time period will be viewed with a tame media reporting on his every move.

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    Default Fox gets the last laugh.

    Well I guess Fox gets the last laugh. Did you see the video Glenn Beck released today with Anita Dunn doing exactly what Fox News accused the White House of doing and she denied? The sad think is no one will care!

    Here is the link if you missed it.

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...w.foxnews.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieFire53 View Post
    Well I guess Fox gets the last laugh. Did you see the video Glenn Beck released today with Anita Dunn doing exactly what Fox News accused the White House of doing and she denied? The sad think is no one will care!

    Here is the link if you missed it.

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...w.foxnews.com/
    I don't know, I don't see how Fox gets the last laugh off this clip.

    Most of it was nothing but an over the top ranting by Beck and very little substance regarding Ms. Dunn.

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    As I watched the clip I was thinking how Beck brought balance to CNN and hence credibility. And then I was more than alarmed by a person who said Mao Tse Tong was a guiding figure. Scary people we have up there on the hill for sure.

    But even more alarming for all of us is the fact that the White House is attempting to control the press This is unprecedented in our history. Very honestly, I thought Obama was someone you could trust, I didn't like is socialist agenda, but I felt you could trust the man. Now I'm not even so sure about that. 37 months and counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    But even more alarming for all of us is the fact that the White House is attempting to control the press
    How is he controlling the press?

    Is he pulling Fox off the air? Is the FCC fining them for anything? Is their license being revoked? Is Obama controlling their stories? Do they have to submit all their stories to Government censors?

    If Fox can be critical of the President, then the President has the same right to be critical of Fox. There is a big difference between talking about Fox and not giving them an interview, and "controlling the press". It is getting clearer and clearer that the people who are always complaining about us becoming an "oppressive government" have never really seen what an oppressive government really does.

    I personally believe that the best defense is a strong offense, and engaging Fox would be a better policy than avoiding them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    How is he controlling the press?

    Is he pulling Fox off the air? Is the FCC fining them for anything? Is their license being revoked? Is Obama controlling their stories? Do they have to submit all their stories to Government censors?

    If Fox can be critical of the President, then the President has the same right to be critical of Fox. There is a big difference between talking about Fox and not giving them an interview, and "controlling the press". It is getting clearer and clearer that the people who are always complaining about us becoming an "oppressive government" have never really seen what an oppressive government really does.

    I personally believe that the best defense is a strong offense, and engaging Fox would be a better policy than avoiding them.
    Poor man... don't you know that bringing the truth into this thread only will label you a crybaby libtard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvfd27 View Post
    Poor man... don't you know that bringing the truth into this thread only will label you a crybaby libtard?
    Truth? He doesn't can't even form a coherent thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    How is he controlling the press?

    Is he pulling Fox off the air? Is the FCC fining them for anything? Is their license being revoked? Is Obama controlling their stories? Do they have to submit all their stories to Government censors?

    If Fox can be critical of the President, then the President has the same right to be critical of Fox. There is a big difference between talking about Fox and not giving them an interview, and "controlling the press". It is getting clearer and clearer that the people who are always complaining about us becoming an "oppressive government" have never really seen what an oppressive government really does.

    I personally believe that the best defense is a strong offense, and engaging Fox would be a better policy than avoiding them.
    Can you say unprecedented. Did Bush whine when the MSM lied about him and his policies. Nope. Chairman Obama is telling the people not to listen to FOX because in his opinion they lie. The real issue is Obama can't handle the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    Truth? He doesn't can't even form a coherent thought.
    Said the kettle to the pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Can you say unprecedented. Did Bush whine when the MSM lied about him and his policies. Nope. Chairman Obama is telling the people not to listen to FOX because in his opinion they lie. The real issue is Obama can't handle the truth.
    You know, I had a big long response to this, but this is getting so pointless. I erased my response to your rambling to simply post my question again:

    How is he controlling the press?

    Is he pulling Fox off the air? Is the FCC fining them for anything? Is their license being revoked? Is Obama controlling their stories? Do they have to submit all their stories to Government censors?
    Whining about what they are reporting about you might make you look like a baby who cannot handle the heat, but it is pretty dang far from "controlling the media". Obama might tell people "Fox is lying", but is he preventing people from being able to access the news from Fox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    You know, I had a big long response to this, but this is getting so pointless. I erased my response to your rambling to simply post my question again:



    Whining about what they are reporting about you might make you look like a baby who cannot handle the heat, but it is pretty dang far from "controlling the media". Obama might tell people "Fox is lying", but is he preventing people from being able to access the news from Fox?
    OK, let me rephrase, he is not in total control of the network. However, they have dedicated an entire team of people to watching FOX and they are attempting to influence what is being reported. All past Presidents simply let the press do as they please and didn't attack any of them. Unfortunately, the news media has lots its moral and ethical roots. Its now all about sensationalism and pandering to your favorite political view, be it which president, health care reform, immigration reform, or Global Warming. Rather than report the truth and the entire story they make it read the way they want to.

    Obama has chosen to go to war with FOX. He wants to discredit them and get them to report what he wants hem to report. There are many blind followers of this president, probably more so than Clinton had. They believe everything he says. The president has a great deal of influence and to use that influence to encourage people to listen to one media outlet over another is simply wrong, immoral, and unethical.

    Heck if wants to battle with someone why not the Koreans or Iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    OK, let me rephrase, he is not in total control of the network. However, they have dedicated an entire team of people to watching FOX and they are attempting to influence what is being reported. All past Presidents simply let the press do as they please and didn't attack any of them. Unfortunately, the news media has lots its moral and ethical roots. Its now all about sensationalism and pandering to your favorite political view, be it which president, health care reform, immigration reform, or Global Warming. Rather than report the truth and the entire story they make it read the way they want to.

    Obama has chosen to go to war with FOX. He wants to discredit them and get them to report what he wants hem to report. There are many blind followers of this president, probably more so than Clinton had. They believe everything he says. The president has a great deal of influence and to use that influence to encourage people to listen to one media outlet over another is simply wrong, immoral, and unethical.

    Heck if wants to battle with someone why not the Koreans or Iranians.
    Go read up on Venezuela for example. Maybe you will realize that there is a difference between being a crybaby and complaining about the media making you look bad, and forcefully taking control of the media. Obama is being a crybaby, he is not seizing control of Fox from Murdoch.

    I'm going to guess that his "blind followers" haven't really watched much Fox to begin with.

    What about recent reports by Bush's White House Press Secretary McClellan that the Bush administration was leaking "Talking Points" to Fox News Commentators to give them inside reports and allow them to paint the Administration in a positive light?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvfd27 View Post
    Poor man... don't you know that bringing the truth into this thread only will label you a crybaby libtard?
    No kid. Making statements that you are passing off as fact and not having the desire, will, or capability to substantiate those statements gets you labeled as such.

    Many on these forums back up their statements. A few do not. Marcus offers some evidence to support his statements - regardless of the side from which he is posting. They also do not criticize the sourcees that are used when they have used them to make their points, a-la scfire86.

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    The President of the United States of America should have more important things to do that have people watch ONE network that doesn't kiss up to him as well as he thinks they should.
    Working on his Nobel Prize acceptance speech for getting elected,figuring out who to blame for not getting an Olympics nod this year,walking the dog,you can see he has better things to do.
    You can see that his life is a Terri Clark song.
    If FOX News is so irrelevant,why is the White House even concerned about it?That's what I want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    No kid. Making statements that you are passing off as fact and not having the desire, will, or capability to substantiate those statements gets you labeled as such.

    Many on these forums back up their statements. A few do not. Marcus offers some evidence to support his statements - regardless of the side from which he is posting. They also do not criticize the sourcees that are used when they have used them to make their points, a-la scfire86.

    You ought to pay attention more and you might realize this. It is what smart, intelligent, and educated people do. It is borne from life experience.
    So are you saying that I'm not a libtard ?

    On this particular issue I'm divided, which seems to be my stand on a lot of issues anymore. I do try to post sources that influence my opinion on different subjects, and I do try to abstain from ScFire type attacks. I know "some" people on here would always call me a libtard just because I have leanings to the left of the political divide. But I think there is a big difference between the political leaning, and the person who has those leanings.

    For example: DaSharkie, George, and ScareCrow have a very similar stand on a lot of political issues. 2 out of 3 are able to articulate the reasoning for their beliefs, and while I disagree with them on many issues I do really believe that they are knowledgeable and I respect them. I'll let you figure out who the 2 are .

    My main reason for replying in this thread is this:

    I do think that Obama is being a bit of a crybaby about this whole thing. Fox has just a little over 50% of the market share, the "liberal" news have the other half. So both sides are able to get their opinion-influenced news/editorials out there.

    Do I think that his whining about it equals a "takeover of the press and suppression of the freedom of press"? - That would be a big and resounding "No".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    No kid. Making statements that you are passing off as fact and not having the desire, will, or capability to substantiate those statements gets you labeled as such.

    Many on these forums back up their statements. A few do not. Marcus offers some evidence to support his statements - regardless of the side from which he is posting. They also do not criticize the sourcees that are used when they have used them to make their points, a-la scfire86.

    You ought to pay attention more and you might realize this. It is what smart, intelligent, and educated people do. It is borne from life experience.
    Um...Read your 2nd paragraph, 4th sentence. Then, quickly drop down to your last paragraph. Can we say hypocrite??

    I know this may be a difficult concept to grasp, but I was joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    If FOX News is so irrelevant,why is the White House even concerned about it?That's what I want to know.
    Because they are afraid that people are going to realize the other news channels aren't reporting the truth. More and more people are turning the channel to FOX as the liberal loving Palm Beach Post reported. FOX is a thorn in the side of the Obama admin and the Democratic party. I am a firm believer that if it wasn't for FOX news ACORN would never have been exposed, Van Jones would still be in the admin and the "public option" wouldn't be a dividing line in this country. It's funny how people forget how critical FOX was of Bush. You know I even saw an article on the National Enquirer front page while in line at the grocery store that read along the lines of Obama want Beck silenced at any cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    You know I even saw an article on the National Enquirer front page...
    You could have stopped reading right there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    You could have stopped reading right there...
    Not that I believe ANYTHING they say, it just goes along with the topic. Tell me YOU don't honestly skim the headlines in the checkout isle while you wait and I'll sell you some ocean front property in Arizona.

    My point is that FOX covers issues that rest of the Obama loving media refuses to so his admin takes aim at them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Not that I believe ANYTHING they say, it just goes along with the topic. Tell me YOU don't honestly skim the headlines in the checkout isle while you wait and I'll sell you some ocean front property in Arizona.

    My point is that FOX covers issues that rest of the Obama loving media refuses to so his admin takes aim at them.
    They cover the same issues, they just present them in a different light. If you watch both ABCNNBC and Fox, you might get somewhat of an accurate picture of what is really going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Go read up on Venezuela for example. Maybe you will realize that there is a difference between being a crybaby and complaining about the media making you look bad, and forcefully taking control of the media. Obama is being a crybaby, he is not seizing control of Fox from Murdoch.

    I'm going to guess that his "blind followers" haven't really watched much Fox to begin with.

    What about recent reports by Bush's White House Press Secretary McClellan that the Bush administration was leaking "Talking Points" to Fox News Commentators to give them inside reports and allow them to paint the Administration in a positive light?
    I do understand what full control means. Censorship the whole nine yards.

    The problem here is using a political office and tax payer dollars to discredit FOX is immoral and unethical. Why isn't he going after the friendly networks for not reporting all of the news?

    What this issue really points out is that the press is no longer neutral, and that goes for all of them. CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, (hereafter referred to as the MSM) etc are left leaning and FOX, is right leaning. I sort of laugh when people say FOX is the most watched news network. That is becuase those who lean to the right have one choice, while the leftest have multiple choices. Take the cash for clunkers program. The MSM reported it as a big success. However, now that it is over and we see that all it did was waste 3 billion dollars for a 1 month spike in auto sales we hear nothing. And in the process, those low income folks who depended on those clunkers in the after market have seen their car prices jump as supply has fallen.

    Take a look at the global warming debate. If you only listened to the MSM you would think the world is coming to an end. However, if you got out and read the research and look at other sources you soon find that this whole man made global warming nonsense is a hoax. Kind of funny, I recall when I first heard about this CO2 problem, which coincidentally came on the scene right after we solved the ozone hole problem . Even then I thought it didn't make sense. Plants love CO2, they would simply absorb the excess I thought. Which is sort of true. Plants do best in an environment where CO2 is around 1200 ppm, earths atmosphere it is around 385 ppm. For the last 10 years temperatures have been falling, yet CO2 is rising, thus breaking the theory. But does the MSM tell you this. The difference between FOX and the MSM is that if Obama does something right (or should that be when ) they will acknowledge it. The MSM will only report the good, and when Obama screws up it is ignored or painted in a rosy light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    They cover the same issues, they just present them in a different light. If you watch both ABCNNBC and Fox, you might get somewhat of an accurate picture of what is really going on.
    I would agree that by watching stations on both sides you will get a sort of accurate picture. I would also add doing some research on your own as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, (hereafter referred to as the MSM)
    Fox has a larger market share than all these networks, but the smaller networks are considered the main stream media? Fox has the largest share, but is the underground news network?

    Of course you have also stated in the past that Reuters, United, and the AP are not part of the main stream media as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The problem here is using a political office and tax payer dollars to discredit FOX is immoral and unethical.
    Bush appears to have used his Press Secretary to feed talking points to Fox. Where is the outrage that he was using a political office and tax payer dollars to build up Fox and use the network to make himself look better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Fox has a larger market share than all these networks, but the smaller networks are considered the main stream media? Fox has the largest share, but is the underground news network?

    Of course you have also stated in the past that Reuters, United, and the AP are not part of the main stream media as well.



    Bush appears to have used his Press Secretary to feed talking points to Fox. Where is the outrage that he was using a political office and tax payer dollars to build up Fox and use the network to make himself look better?
    FOX has the largest share of Cable News. The nightly news cast still outpace the cable news channels

    NBC’s “Nightly News” Wins the Week With An 886,000 Lead Over ABC
    CBS HAS ITS LOWEST A25-54 DELIVERY IN HISTORY
    NEW YORK ? July 21, 2009 ? According to Nielsen Media Research data, “NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams” was the most-watched network evening newscast, winning the week of July 13-19, 2009. During the week, the Williams-led newscast delivered 7.425 million total viewers, +886k more than ABC “World News’” 6.539 million, and +2.304 million more than CBS “Evening News’” 5.121 million. Season-to-date, “Nightly” is the only evening newscast to increase in total viewers and tops “World News” by +829,000 viewers.
    By contrast Cable News Ratings for Thursday, October 15, 2009
    P2+ Total Day
    FNC – 1,507,000 viewers
    CNN – 713,000 viewers
    MSNBC –428,000 viewers
    CNBC – 187,000 viewers
    HLN –384,000 viewers

    P2+ Prime Time
    FNC – 2,614,000viewers
    CNN— 848,000 viewers
    MSNBC –842,000 viewers
    CNBC – 184,000 viewers
    HLN – 607,000 viewers
    The major news networks (ABC, NBC, and CBS) had 19.2 million viewers, while FOX had 2.6 million.

    But here is the best part Obama drives record Fox News ratings, bumps MSNBC by CNN
    President Barack Obama may be obsessed with the critical coverage of Fox News, as often reported. But the cable news channel sure must love him.

    Latest ratings out for the second quarter of 2009 show the top-rated FNC having one of the best quarters in its entire history with prime-time ratings jumping an astounding 34%, not all of them Obama fans. That 8-11 p.m. slot is crucial for viewers -- and ad dollars -- which includes Fox's showcase "The O'Reilly Factor."

    Throughout the viewing day, Fox News did even better with its 1.2 million viewers, on average, more than doubling CNN's 598,000 and more than tripling third-place trailer MSNBC's average audience of 392,000.

    Loyal Ticket readers will recall back in May White House official Kareem Dale revealed in a speech that MSNBC was the Obama administration's favorite TV channel. (Also see C-SPAN video below, at the 1:51 mark.)

    And that liberal affection seems to have rubbed off on Obama backers, helping the NBC outlet to barely squeak past CNN in weekday prime-time average audience, 946,000 to 939,000.

    Our blogging colleague Scott Collins has more on these numbers over at Show Tracker.
    Also, I cannot find any info about Bush leaking talking points to FOX. Sounds like an Urban Rumor.

    Here is an excellent editorial on the entire mess Who's partisan now?
    President Obama has declared political war on the Fox News Channel. He refuses to appear on Fox News - at least for the rest of this year - and has unleashed his administration's attack dogs. The goal is to vilify the network's hard-won reputation.

    "What I think is fair to say about Fox - and certainly it's the way we view it - is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party," said Anita Dunn, White House communications director, on CNN. "They take their talking points, put them on the air; take their opposition research, put them on the air. And that's fine. But let's not pretend they're a news network the way CNN is."

    Ms. Dunn's comments are a blatant attempt by the White House to delegitimize and undermine Fox News' journalistic credibility. The administration is seeking to portray the network as a media arm of the Republican Party. ...
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