1. #1
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    7

    Thumbs down FASNY spreading lies again.

    This is the crap they want you to send to Albany. It is full of half truths and lies.

    Required text:
    (This text will be included in your message)
    The Volunteer emergency community is concerned regarding a safety sensitive issue impacting Firefighter training funds particularly as they apply to entry level training courses available to newly recruited volunteers. These concerns are shared by FASNY, the Association of Fire Districts of the State of New York and the NYS Association of Fire Chiefs.

    Demand for firefighter training continues to increase. Local recruitment programs have been effective in bringing new recruits to the Departments resulting in a 45% increase in requested training hours from 2008 allocations.

    NYS Volunteer firefighters get only 57% of all training hours requested. We recognize that budget allocations must fluctuate with the State’s fiscal needs, but these fluctuations are grossly inconsistent with the current demand for training at the entry level.

    Scene support operations, Firefighter 1 and Firefighter 2, require a disproportionate amount of hours to complete and are the gateway to more than 150 other courses taught by the Office of Fire Prevention and Control. The number of hours required to complete these courses has increased while the available training resources has decreased.

    Our concern is with across the board cuts that are imminent, which would create havoc with an OFPC Training Outreach Program designed to take basic training to the Fire House. If this training is further curtailed, we estimate that more than 33% of all new recruits may go untrained.

    More than 1,000 new recruits can be impacted. A third of NYS counties have a shortfall of one or more instructors. This is a dangerous and safety sensitive situation that will ultimately threaten emergency response patterns.

    Volunteers contribute their time, which if measured in payroll and benefits commensurate with their career counterparts, would total 7 billion dollars annually. Local governments cannot afford to pick up that expense. Adequate training funds targeted directly at the entry-level courses today will save hundreds of millions of local government dollars over the next decade.

    I respectfully request that the legislature allocate $600,000 to be directed to OFPC specifically for the purpose of properly funding entry level firefighter Outreach Training. Thank you for your assistance.

  2. #2
    Forum Member
    Bones42's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Pt. Beach, NJ
    Posts
    10,681

    Default

    Just curious, but what parts are lies and half-truths?
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

  3. #3
    Forum Member
    Lewiston2FF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Niagara Falls, NY, USA
    Posts
    1,924

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Just curious, but what parts are lies and half-truths?
    Sounds like sour grapes to me. It all seems pretty accurate according to the information I have been researching on the NYS budget issue.
    Shawn M. Cecula
    Firefighter
    IACOJ Division of Fire and EMS

  4. #4
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    White Plains, NY
    Posts
    77

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rdavis719 View Post
    This is the crap they want you to send to Albany. It is full of half truths and lies.

    Required text:
    (This text will be included in your message)
    The Volunteer emergency community is concerned regarding a safety sensitive issue impacting Firefighter training funds particularly as they apply to entry level training courses available to newly recruited volunteers. These concerns are shared by FASNY, the Association of Fire Districts of the State of New York and the NYS Association of Fire Chiefs.

    Demand for firefighter training continues to increase. Local recruitment programs have been effective in bringing new recruits to the Departments resulting in a 45% increase in requested training hours from 2008 allocations.

    NYS Volunteer firefighters get only 57% of all training hours requested. We recognize that budget allocations must fluctuate with the State’s fiscal needs, but these fluctuations are grossly inconsistent with the current demand for training at the entry level.

    Scene support operations, Firefighter 1 and Firefighter 2, require a disproportionate amount of hours to complete and are the gateway to more than 150 other courses taught by the Office of Fire Prevention and Control. The number of hours required to complete these courses has increased while the available training resources has decreased.

    Our concern is with across the board cuts that are imminent, which would create havoc with an OFPC Training Outreach Program designed to take basic training to the Fire House. If this training is further curtailed, we estimate that more than 33% of all new recruits may go untrained.

    More than 1,000 new recruits can be impacted. A third of NYS counties have a shortfall of one or more instructors. This is a dangerous and safety sensitive situation that will ultimately threaten emergency response patterns.

    Volunteers contribute their time, which if measured in payroll and benefits commensurate with their career counterparts, would total 7 billion dollars annually. Local governments cannot afford to pick up that expense. Adequate training funds targeted directly at the entry-level courses today will save hundreds of millions of local government dollars over the next decade.

    I respectfully request that the legislature allocate $600,000 to be directed to OFPC specifically for the purpose of properly funding entry level firefighter Outreach Training. Thank you for your assistance.
    Where is this from? You didn't site where it came from so there is nothing to compare it too. The economy is doing crappy so umm that would mean less money for training. That makes sense and is logical.
    The hero is commonly the simplest and obscurest of men. ~Henry David Thoreau

  5. #5
    Forum Member
    Doorbreaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Near Cooperstown N.Y.
    Posts
    111

    Default

    Well, reading through it I don't see a single "lie or half-truth" . Actually it does have one "half - truth"
    "A third of NYS counties have a shortfall of one or more instructors." Should be closer to one HALF of the counties.

  6. #6
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Statesville NC
    Posts
    77

    Default

    i didnt see a single lie.. i sat down and researched it and spoke with one of my contacts in fasny. Sounds like someone is dont like fasny

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. ICS/NIMS spreading like wildfire
    By DonSmithnotTMD in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 10-22-2007, 11:36 PM
  2. Georgia wildfire still spreading
    By coldfront in forum Wildland Firefighting
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 04-27-2007, 08:33 AM
  3. Lies and more lies...just another day at the White House
    By bobsnyder in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-19-2005, 04:59 PM
  4. AFL-CIO ... What lies ahead?
    By StLRes2cue in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-26-2005, 08:31 AM
  5. This is ALL LIES...
    By E40FDNYL35 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 87
    Last Post: 03-29-2003, 04:02 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Log in

Click here to log in or register