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    Default A Chester City firefighter was suspended without pay yesterday for refusing to remove

    By Joelle Farrell

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    A Chester City firefighter was suspended without pay yesterday for refusing to remove an American flag sticker from his locker.
    October 16, 2009

    James Krapf, an 11-year veteran of the department, could face more days of suspension if he does not remove the sticker, Fire Commissioner James Johnson said.

    Johnson directed the force's 61 members to remove all decorations from the outside of their lockers over the summer after a firefighter posted a cartoon that others found offensive. The drawing, which firefighters said was posted by a black colleague, showed two black men and included a racial slur.

    Firefighters can post personal items inside the lockers, but the outside must remain "free of alteration," according to the directive.

    Some firefighters didn't think the American flag was included in the ban. The flag is stitched on their uniforms, hangs on their trucks, and flies on a pole out front.

    "The directive says 'everything,' " said Capt. John Barbato, vice president of the department's union. "I never would've thought the American flag would be included in that."

    Yesterday, almost seven weeks after the order went into effect, 11 firefighters were notified that they were still in violation.

    Krapf removed a union sticker and a picture of a truck, but refused to scrape off the flag, a one-inch-square sticker that has adorned his locker for a couple of years, he said.

    "Anybody who finds the American flag offensive shouldn't be working there," Krapf said yesterday.

    "I said, 'No disrespect, Chief, but I'm not scraping that sticker off my locker.' He said, 'OK. Go home.' "

    Banning all materials from locker doors was the simplest way to avoid bickering among the staff, Johnson said.

    "How do we know what offends who?" he said. "I have to play Solomon here."

    Johnson said Krapf would face a two-day suspension if he did not remove the sticker today. Next would come a three-day suspension, and then the matter would go before the mayor and council and could go to arbitration, officials said.

    Walter Miles Jr., the city councilman who oversees public safety, said he did not know all the specifics of the incident. "I strongly back my fire commissioner," he said. "A directive is a directive."

    The Chester City Fire Department has worked without a contract since 2007. Johnson said the handful of firefighters making a fuss over the stickers were trying to gain sympathy from the public during contract negotiations, an allegation Krapf denied.

    Krapf, 31, said he hoped to speak with the union and the commissioner today and reach a compromise. He doesn't want to miss more pay, and he's worried that this will be a negative mark on his record.

    "I certainly can't afford to lose a day's pay, but it's something I believe in," he said.

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    They didnt ban American flags, they banned exterior decorations. He should have removed it and put another one on the inside of the locker. Sounds like someone making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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    I have to agree, it was a blanket ban on "all decorations".

    What if you have a policy against tattoo's, but someone gets an American Flag tattoo. What if you have a policy against putting decorations on helmets, but someone adds a flag. What if you have a directive against non-department issue decorations on your uniform and someone decides to add a flag pin.

    The fact that it is the flag does not give you an automatic get-out-of-trouble-card for violating policy.
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    It isn't his locker, the city lets him use it. Straight forward ban. Remove all stickers and pictures. One needs to pick their battles and this one isn't worth losing a job over.

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    Another shining example of zero tolerance and political correctness run amok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Another shining example of zero tolerance and political correctness run amok.
    Agreed. At the same time I have to agree with the others; This isn't worth loosing pay or your job over. Remove the sticker then work with the council/chief/union to modify the directive so that it makes more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Another shining example of zero tolerance and political correctness run amok.
    Maybe so. But the firehouse is not a democracy. This has everything to do with discipline and nothing to do with discriminating against those who display the US flag.

    BTW, I hope the FF who started all of this is close to retirement.
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    F***'em, scrape off the small sticker and put a bigger one on! or put one on everybody's locker to make it look uniform!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIMP0LMAN View Post
    F***'em, scrape off the small sticker and put a bigger one on! or put one on everybody's locker to make it look uniform!
    Hurray for insubordination.

    Follow directives, and remove the sticker. It's not that hard people. Once the initial fallout from the offending picture (and the responding knee-jerk directive) has cooled down you can have a logical discussion with the administration. Sit down with administration and make a sensible "locker decoration" policy if its that important do you. See if you can add an exception for "US flags, state flags/seals, department flags/logos, etc".
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    What a bunch of Krapf !
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    "The directive says 'everything,' " said Capt. John Barbato, vice president of the department's union. "I never would've thought the American flag would be included in that."
    So, "everything" doesn't mean everything? Not your best argument.

    What sucks about this is that nobody sat down and said, these guys live out of these lockers... We've always allowed them to personalize the outside... Let's set up some boundaries for how they can do that. Instead, one guy out of 61 did something stupid and the response is to have a "zero tolerance" decoration policy. It's the easy response to the problem, but rarely the best one in the long run.

    The guys may hate their chief now. Knowing firemen, I'm sure there are a few folks calling him anti-American or communist or some other nonsense. I'd bet lunch that at least one of the 61 blames this on Obama. But if he lets this one guy buck him on this... It won't take long for others to buck him on other orders & directives... And he could possibly lose more respect in the long run by not sticking to his guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIMP0LMAN View Post
    F***'em, scrape off the small sticker and put a bigger one on! or put one on everybody's locker to make it look uniform!
    And sometimes we wonder why it always feels like it is "us vs them" between blue shirts and white shirts....
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    Sorry, I love to display the American flag, but if they say everything that means everything. Just because it is the American flag doesn't mean its above the rules.

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    I guess when many of us are in the middle of trying to keep engine houses open, and the fire companies in those houses properly staffed, this kind of an issue is rather minuscule.
    In fact, I would call it a non-issue.

    Last I checked we are still quasi-military, and as long as the order given is legal, then that order must be followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    Last I checked we are still quasi-military, and as long as the order given is legal, then that order must be followed.
    Exactly.

    It simply amazes me that amount of people VOLUNTARILY enlisting in the Police, Fire, and Armed Forces who did so believing that there were ZERO rules to be followed and they did not have to do as instructed.
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    While I agree that it is there locker and they can set policy for whatever they want or don't want on the locker, there is a HUGE difference between removing offensive cartoons and the symbol of our nation.

    Frankly, I am of the mind that this is just another example of leadership by a sweep of the broad sword. Since I can't make a few people behave I will whip them all. Poor leadership, poor policy, and poor employer/employee relationships ahve led the fire service to this point.

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    Take the sticker off.

    I wonder if that firefighter flies an american flag at his house? I wonder if he observes memorial day in some way?

    Patriotism is more then a sticker. Get off your high horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIMP0LMAN View Post
    F***'em, scrape off the small sticker and put a bigger one on! or put one on everybody's locker to make it look uniform!
    AMEN!!! Brother!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Another shining example of zero tolerance and political correctness run amok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Another shining example of zero tolerance and political correctness run amok.
    So, if your Chief issued such an order, would you enforce it? Would you support it? Would you tell the guys it was BS? What would you do?
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