Not to mention our Firefighters United local is extremely in-tune with the city and is doing a fantastic job.
How's that inside info grab ya?
Proving my point... Why are people complaining [and you personally talking about quotas and taking it to a new low with hires] when you just said that the quality of people getting to the street are of a high caliber? You can't talk about the system they have in place for making hires in a disparaging light and then say that you have no worries about them. Oh and your "inside info" is old hat.
If you are on the list, or plan on taking the test, I wish you the best of luck. If testing is in your future, being a vet is worth 5 points, and scoring a 100% on the agility test with a good time can't be understated. My advice, run stairs, adding wieght in a backpack. The agility test maxes your thigh muscles; stair climb with a bundle, dragging a dummy and finishing up with a kiaser machine, among other steps, are all tough, . The city puts on well run practice sessions, take full advantage of them.
With all due respect, you have earned no privilege, I have been a Volunteer for a good while myself, got my points, and have been actively looking for my shot to get onto a department full time. I have taken that search to many cities outside of the MSP/STP area and have run into similar situations across the country and I do not complain about quotas, hiring practices, or the like. YOU have made the leap into racist accusations, not I. I am ranked quite high in the band, have been “passed over” in the previous rounds and do not take it personally. And for the record any city can have any hiring system they want and it is up to them who/how/when to hire individuals within that system as per their discretion and hiring needs. Perhaps the reason individuals are being passed over is that the Hiring Department is deliberately looking for new blood and no more of the cousins, nephews and sons of current Firemen. Maybe they are looking to change the demographic and relations within the department, rather than preserve the current model and status quo. If it were not for the efforts of the Black Firefighters Union and the mentorship of several White Firefighters I would have never heard about this previous round due to the fact that the info was not exactly widely spread. Also, the reason why Saint Paul has this "new" method in place is due to several dozens racially charged and well publicized incidents over the last 30 years. Such as individuals hanging Black Monkeys from nooses in fire suits [I saw the pictures myself] in certain Fire Houses in the City. There have also been several incidents where women have faced varying levels of discrimination as well. I find it odd that you still have no basis for your complaints and arguments due to the fact that you complain about the hiring methods, yet praise the individuals that make it through, so I ask you bluntly: what in the hell are you complaining about? If they are qualified when they make it through, then your whole argument is rendered moot because the quality of hires is still top notch. And making/laughing at jokes about "all the protected class individuals failing out" [2-3 individuals as far as I have heard] does make you seem bitter, ignorant, and filled up with a fallacious sense of entitlement due to the experience that you have. I have experience, doesn't make me more entitled than another. I have to bust my ***, and stand out from everyone else just like everyone else. When/if you get into academy the ones that help the lower performers excel, stand out, and garner respect from their peers and instructors. You do not seem like you are going into this looking to help, but rather just looking to get on. It’s a seemingly trivial, yet important distinction.
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck as well…
.....so, um......back to the hiring updates.....
No civil service puts that much thought into it. If you got passed up it is for a better candidate. Just relax and stop trying to figure everything out. And know the the cats i know that teach academy and run this stuff can smell bull and know when someone is being a suck up and just helping to make themselves look better (BLakMjik). Deep breath. This is the fire service. Relax this sh*t should be fun.
In the last 6 years the more I learn about being a Fireman I know that its something that I can and will do as long as my body lets me. I also realize now that the odd hours and no pay for volunteering isn't what has been the toughest to adjust to... Its all of the one upping and nit picky bitching. I feel like I am dealing with the frosh in ROTC again, everyone needs the last word
If you are a medic, Burnsville, Edina, and others take that experience seriously. All good departments, but really don't have the ability to run a full blown academy. They make good use of what you know. Your passion speaks for itself, so no worries there.
Reading through this forum, I see that they send you a letter asking if you are a Paramedic or not before the next class starts. Does anyone know anything more about this? Also, if the next class starts around March, has anyone received one recently? Would Liz from HR know what number they left off at on this current list?
17c hires? What is that? Also, what are these bands that everyone is talking about? I'm from the Chicagoland area and I guess our testing system is a little different. As for my number, I'm a little over 200.
Has anyone recently talked to Terry (Fire HR) lately? I'm just curious if anything might happen with these so called letters before the next holiday season.
I have talked to Terry and a few others, including a very significant number of guys that have gotten letters previously. Here is what I can make of it, they are still sending out letters to people that have already had interviews and didn't get the job for this or that reason [mostly due to not having an EMT Cert at the time of the interview]. They have juuust scraped the 95 band and seem to be recycling through the 110-95 band to find people for the first 3 academies. From what I have heard from people I know, it doesn't appear like a lot of newbies have received letters. It seems like a lot of guys are up for retirement and that's slowing things down [among other things]. As others have said, its anyone's guess how they are going through this but it seems to be losing any rhyme or reason the longer the process goes on.
"short on medics" I guess my last question is, how do they do things up in Minnesota? Down in the Chicagoland area, we have a lot of union firefighter/paramedic departments where you wear both hats. If you're a paramedic in St. Paul, do you get to do both?
Hey, I have been following the forum but have not posted anything untile now... I scored in the 97.5 group... here is my question i have about 3 years of service with a large and busy full time department, does this help me?? I love my job but it is about 200 miles from St.paul and my family leaves close to there.
Patiently waiting at 97.5. Funny story? Could have been 100 if like an idiot I didn't forget to hand in my form for residency points. Was out of town for a week and a half before the due date and I have been kicking myself for it ever since. Could have made all the difference...
So talking to Terry, it sounds like their still at the 102.5 band. My question is, how do you know what band you're in? I know my number on the list but dont know my band.