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    http://www.news-press.com/article/20...17044/1003/ACC


    We could use a little support from the brotherhood. The local newspaper is on a witch hunt again. It seems to happen about once every year. Just to forewarn, the numbers aren't quite right, but I'm sure most of you could have gussed that.

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    Not for nothing, but $70,000 is pretty damn good. I wish I made $70k plus had the time to work a second job. My first job takes up all of my time.

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    after the first of the year the newspapers up here will be posting that about us... the **** poor thing is that the OT is due to lack a minumum staffing being raised and we call back each time 2 units are out (9 man shifts running 3 medic units or 1 engine and 1 truck depending on a the calls.)
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    Of course the numbers are skewed, what do you expect. The "I hate firefighters" Palm Beach Post had an article about county Special Ops captains making over $150k but did not mention the amount of MANDATORY overtime they worked, as well as holidays, kids birthdays etc or specialized training they need. They recently had an article about how much West Palm brothers make and the loss of revenue the city was facing. Of course it was 4th page news to show that the PD took less than 2% cut along with public works while the FD took a 14% cut. Is it fare, hell no but thats the way it is. The media likes to make us look like hero's when we do something they think will make a good story, but the LOVE to make us look like the bad guys more.
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    I like how the newspaper doesn't investigate the facts and just prints what that MUTT wants to print. Did you notice there were only about 3 lines from the Union president?? Using the stats of BASE pay of FDNY and TOTAL pay of their firefighters? Two totally different costs of living, tax base, etc. and an unfair comparison.

    Also they never mentioned the cost of EMS, only how many fires they get. The totally brushed over the medical calls, and the refusal of hiring employees to avoid overtime. No one mentioned the overtime is so high because in the long run, it is cheaper for the City to hire overtime instead of hiring new employees.

    Very bad reporting. I guess it doesn't surprise me much. That's media wherever you go. I wish you well with your struggle, I left some comments on that site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Not for nothing, but $70,000 is pretty damn good. I wish I made $70k plus had the time to work a second job. My first job takes up all of my time.
    And you sir, ****** me off to end with this comment. This just proves that you have absolutely no clue of what brotherhood or being a firefighter actually means.

    Making a comment like this is just as bad if not worse than the author of that article. You might as well put the knife in our chests and at least look us in the eye when you phuck us like that because comments like this are a stab in all of our backs!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    I like how the newspaper doesn't investigate the facts and just prints what that MUTT wants to print.

    Why would they, if they did it wouldn't get ratings.

    And you sir, ****** me off to end with this comment. This just proves that you have absolutely no clue of what brotherhood or being a firefighter actually means.
    Maybe I'm late on this one but is he firefighter?
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post

    Maybe I'm late on this one but is he firefighter?
    I doubt it.


    If he is, he has proven time and time again how much of an a-s-set he is to his department and crew.

    Might be a firefighter but not even close to being a BROTHER!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Not for nothing, but $70,000 is pretty damn good. I wish I made $70k plus had the time to work a second job. My first job takes up all of my time.
    Maybe you should move to FL and look for a new job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    And you sir, ****** me off to end with this comment. This just proves that you have absolutely no clue of what brotherhood or being a firefighter actually means.

    Making a comment like this is just as bad if not worse than the author of that article. You might as well put the knife in our chests and at least look us in the eye when you phuck us like that because comments like this are a stab in all of our backs!!!

    Comments like this only prove you are clueless about everything outside of the fire service. There are millions of people on fixed incomes living off the failed Social Security System eating peanut butter and jelly so they can pay their taxes. What about them??? There are thousands of qualified applicants showing up all the time for a few jobs, recently in Utah 500 hundred showed up for 2 jobs.

    Do a little self assessment and soul searching, the job and the salary aren't that bad. If these city managers had any brains they would realize that they have plenty of people out there , qualified to do the jobs for far less.

    You do realize that a school teacher with a MASTERS degree gets about $30k to start. More in the overpriced cities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Why would they, if they did it wouldn't get ratings.



    Maybe I'm late on this one but is he firefighter?
    Yes I am. My annual salary is $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffmedcbk1 View Post
    after the first of the year the newspapers up here will be posting that about us... the **** poor thing is that the OT is due to lack a minumum staffing being raised and we call back each time 2 units are out (9 man shifts running 3 medic units or 1 engine and 1 truck depending on a the calls.)
    Excessive OT is a function of poor management. Keep in mind that everyone from the chief and assistant chiefs up are managers. If a chief can't justify more personnel by showing the reduction in OT cost then he is a poor chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Comments like this only prove you are clueless about everything outside of the fire service. There are millions of people on fixed incomes living off the failed Social Security System eating peanut butter and jelly so they can pay their taxes. What about them??? There are thousands of qualified applicants showing up all the time for a few jobs, recently in Utah 500 hundred showed up for 2 jobs.

    Do a little self assessment and soul searching, the job and the salary aren't that bad. If these city managers had any brains they would realize that they have plenty of people out there , qualified to do the jobs for far less.

    You do realize that a school teacher with a MASTERS degree gets about $30k to start. More in the overpriced cities.

    Typical response from you.....great re-direction.

    However, as someone once said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." So...I refuse to get in a pee pee contest you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    If a chief can't justify more personnel by showing the reduction in OT cost then he is a poor chief.
    Really? I guess you forgot that additional personnel means additional pension, health care benefits, workers comp, TRAINING, etc. More often than not it is cheaper to pay out overtime. A $70k ff to the municipality is really a $100k plus employee.
    If your going to cry about doing the job you signed up for do us all a favor and quit, there are plenty of dedicated people standing in line for the best job in the world.

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    How is the cost of living in those areas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Yes I am. My annual salary is $200.
    Saving slabs makes one not a fireman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    Really? I guess you forgot that additional personnel means additional pension, health care benefits, workers comp, TRAINING, etc. More often than not it is cheaper to pay out overtime. A $70k ff to the municipality is really a $100k plus employee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    If these city managers had any brains they would realize that they have plenty of people out there , qualified to do the jobs for far less.
    Ohhh it all makes sense now, maybe we should pay all firefighters minimum wage, I'm sure we could find some idiots to do their job for next to nothing. You are unbelievable.

    How about we support good paying jobs so people can live comfortably, and they don't have to live on PB and J sandwiches.

    FF4606, that article sucks, we have our fair share of mutts in our city. Maybe you guys can get a hold of a different news source to give your side of the story, or try writing an editorial. Good Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Comments like this only prove you are clueless about everything outside of the fire service. There are millions of people on fixed incomes living off the failed Social Security System eating peanut butter and jelly so they can pay their taxes. What about them??? There are thousands of qualified applicants showing up all the time for a few jobs, recently in Utah 500 hundred showed up for 2 jobs.
    Why does that happen? That's right, it's a good job with good pay and benefits.

    There's a reason why you don't see that same thing happening at McDonald's and such?

    Do a little self assessment and soul searching, the job and the salary aren't that bad.
    I don't think anybody was complaining about their job and pay.

    If these city managers had any brains they would realize that they have plenty of people out there , qualified to do the jobs for far less.
    Qualified to do the job and capable of doing the job are not necessarily the same thing. Plus, you get what you pay for.

    You do realize that a school teacher with a MASTERS degree gets about $30k to start. More in the overpriced cities.
    I don't believe that to be the case but, so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Not for nothing, but $70,000 is pretty damn good. I wish I made $70k plus had the time to work a second job. My first job takes up all of my time.
    Really? If it takes all of your time why in 22 months do you have 5299 posts? That is almost 241 a month or roughly 8 a day. Seems like you have plenty of time on your hands. In 10 years and 2 months I have 4364.

    Nice shot at paid firefighters again though. Your jealousy at a guy actually doing a job that truly makes a difference in people's lives and getting a good salary is truly pathetic.
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