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    Just stitting here bored out of my mind detailed to a slow staion today.

    Got me to thinking how do other departments handle extra men. Do you ride five? Do you just ride with three if you have someone out sick or on vacation?

    They pretty much keep us in the battalion but it is not unusal to go anywhere in the division. There are some super slow stations in our division that are like retirement homes. Don't get me wrong sometimes it is nice to watch a movie and take a three hour nap. It can be a little disconcerting though to make a fire with people you hardly know. Not to mention with folks who haven't made a fire in a year or so.

    well anyway just trying to get a discussion started.


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    Wow, I think you are a national minority.....

    I never hear of anyone saying they have TOO MUCH personnel. Shut up and enjoy actually working at full staff for once. You will very much appreciate it when you do get an alarm when you can actually work safely.

    Keep the comments about naps and movies to yourself too. That is the best way to make sure you won't be a full staff again. Be careful for what you wish for.
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    Definitely enjoy having too many people. I'm only a volunteer but I've never heard of a paid dept with extra staffing. The closest paid dept to me runs a driver, an officer, and 1 guy in the back. Don't ask about the nightmare that causes when you get a working structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by led219 View Post
    Just stitting here bored out of my mind detailed to a slow staion today.

    Got me to thinking how do other departments handle extra men. Do you ride five? Do you just ride with three if you have someone out sick or on vacation?

    They pretty much keep us in the battalion but it is not unusal to go anywhere in the division. There are some super slow stations in our division that are like retirement homes. Don't get me wrong sometimes it is nice to watch a movie and take a three hour nap. It can be a little disconcerting though to make a fire with people you hardly know. Not to mention with folks who haven't made a fire in a year or so.

    well anyway just trying to get a discussion started.
    Sorry you are at the retirement home.
    We will slide extra bodies around here as needed. We had designated 4-0 staffed equipment but with the budget crisis they were all sent to vacation relief. That was to offset O/T and not lay anybody off or furlough anyone. So when we are fully staffed with no S/L or vacations they will move them to the designated 4-0 slots. Our divisions have no boundaries.A guy could end up working 3 or 4 batallions a shift. Sucks for the relief guys.
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    Some folks wouldn't be happy if the reverted back to the 1950's and rode with 6 on the engines and 7 or 8 on the trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    Wow, I think ... Shut up and enjoy actually working at full staff for once. ...Keep the comments about naps and movies to yourself too. That is the best way to make sure you won't be a full staff again. Be careful for what you wish for.
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    Dano I was riding E-58.

    Wow you guys sure have a lot of hostility. It's actually kind of funny. I'm telling you that I wish I was busier and you are telling me to quit complaining. There are a ton of people on this job that only complain when they are busy.

    Yes we are fortunate to have a full compliment on our fire dept as a matter of fact some days we have to many people and guess what we are still hiring. For many years it wasn't like that here and I am sure it will not always be. I don't make that decision.

    I'm sorry if it upsets you that I watch t.v. at work. We are also allowed to take naps from 1 to 4.

    As far as training goes I do train but the funniest thing is when I am at my station that is at least ten times busier then where i was detailed to we train at some level everyday. When you get sent to some of the slow stations they don't even know what training is.

    My question had to do with details and whether or not you ever get detailed.

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    Our details get sent to fill in a spot for a company who has a guy out sick or an officer is needed to ride the seat due to an officer on vacation. Think substitute teacher. On the seemingly rare occasions that we have more guys than minimum staffing, we send details to fill in on the higher priority trucks. Rescue squad (heavy not ambu buggy), aerials, busiest engine, second busiest, etc.

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    Snowball that does suck for the relief guys. So.. are those guys always in a relief position or does it rotate?

    For instance we have three ff/medics as well as two ff/emts a driver and a lt.
    The lt and driver don't get detailed unless they are getting "bumped up" to ride out of rank somewhere else. We ride four men companies so that leaves extra emt's and medics. The medics do 12 and 12 on the ambulance so unless someone is on vacation or sick at our station we get detailed. The same is true of the EMT's one guy is always detailed out.

    So we have more people assigned to a piece of equipment then could ever possibly ride it at one time.

    What we don't have is any one assigned to the ambulances. They consider this a detail position. Ridden on a rotation. Even though for medics that means you are pretty much riding it everyday.

    A few years ago our dept was very understaffed. Medics rode ambulances 24 hours at a time usually with no rest and very little food. There was a ton of openings for privates as well. Since we have minimum staffing of 4 this meant a lot of overtime was called in. Eventually the city realized it is much cheaper to have a fully staffed department then to pay out overtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgfd65 View Post
    Definitely enjoy having too many people. I'm only a volunteer but I've never heard of a paid dept with extra staffing. The closest paid dept to me runs a driver, an officer, and 1 guy in the back. Don't ask about the nightmare that causes when you get a working structure.
    often to cut over time companies are "over filled" I.E. an engine with 1 officer and 3 firefighters has 1 officer and 4 firefighters assigned. So when someone is sick or on vacation that extra firefighter can go fill the empty spot(s) at different companies.

    Obviously, sometimes you'll have days where less people are sick/injured/on vacation so you have a surplus. In this situation you'd have a company ride with an extra firefighter.

    It ends up being cheaper in the long run to have several extra firefighters than to have to pay several OT people a shift.

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    We ride with a minimum of three on everything except for the medics ("units" for your Memphis guys, ) which have minimum staffing of two.

    However, the engines, rescues, and trucks each have four people assigned, and the medics have three. This is how we get by letting people off.

    Basically, the way it works for us is that at the beginning of the tour we must have four extra bodies working for the shift across the county. That way, we can send someone home sick (or whatever) and not have to hire OT.

    Sometimes we have only four extra, and sometimes we have 12 or more. Just depends on the day.

    Let's say that BC calls and says, "hey, y'all have an extra body working, send him over to Engine X for the tour," then I go to the rotating list we have and see who's up for the next detail....and off that guy goes! Lieutenants and Captains rarely transfer.

    We ride with 3 about 80% of the time, and we detail someone out probably every 4th or 5th tour I suppose.
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    I dont know much about "details" but I've heard the devil is in them...
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    Although I usually enjoy the perks of working in a small town, staffing has never been a perk.

    When I was first hired, we operated as a Department of Public Safety with one fire engineer on duty at a time. Public Safety Officers would respond in their patrol cars to complete the "engine company" with volunteer firefighters accounting for the the rest of the response. We had one engineer per shift and I was one of two additional floaters. With only one station, we didn't float between houses... we floated between shifts. The other guy and I filled any hole in the schedule and they assigned the rest of our hours at random. Day/Night/Day 36-hour tours were common. Even in my most nostalgic moods, I'm yet to miss those.

    These days, we run 21 firefighters on three shifts with two engine companies. Minimum staffing is two per company. Since we never have four per engine on both rigs, I can safely say that there is not a single day we run heavy. Cross your fingers for a our 2010 budget request. Three more folks on the line would at least give us 3-2 every day.

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    In london (uk) we have "Outduty" system, much the same as you. The minimum for a machine to ride is 4. But alot in London depends on qualifications, specially trained on a specialist machine, or a specialist skill. For example if 1 of the fireman on your machine has a FRU (fire rescue unit) skill and a fireman with that skill is needed at another station, they may send that fireman out BUT send another in with no skills. If that makes sense. Its such a big brigade that there is a massive juggling act at the start of each shift, moving people around to balance out riders.

    Last tour i wasnt at my station once, i was moved out on both days and nights, tut, such is life!!

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    Fire Rescue Unit skill? what do you mean like that? Someone with skills in special rescue situations(like rope, water, etc) or qualifications for operating certain types of apparatus such as a driver for a pumper or something like that?

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    My department every engine and truck company has a recommended staffing level of 2 to 4 men depending on the company. Our slowest companies have 4 man staffing all the time. Our busy compaies are 2-3 men (It don't make sence I know). We will detail members to provide the recommended staffing at specific companies if need be. Most often we need to hire overtime to meet staffing. When we are overstaffed we will still put extras at our engines and not staff our truck companies (we sometimes have 4 man companies at the three slowest engine companies yet still only have 2 guys on the trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoastFF View Post
    we sometimes have 4 man companies at the three slowest engine companies yet still only have 2 guys on the trucks.
    sounds like you have pumper guys making the schedule....

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    nameless :- yeah basically. When you leave training school you are a basic fireman, with skills to use the equipment on the Pumps. But then you can specialise on a special appliance, for instance the FRU (like your Heavy rescue Units i think, carries Clan Lukas, rope ops, boat etcs), Turntable Ladder, Aerial Ladder Platform, etc etc. Also as you say, to drive the machine is a new "Skill".

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