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    It's not a welfare problem like scarecrow says it's a people problem, the same stupidity happens with the rich snobby kids that think their entitled to everything because mommy and daddy gave everything. Every class has their idiots. I'm not saying the welfare system is perfect, we just need to quit making excuses and start holding people accountable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kolat06 View Post
    It's not a welfare problem like scarecrow says it's a people problem, the same stupidity happens with the rich snobby kids that think their entitled to everything because mommy and daddy gave everything. Every class has their idiots. I'm not saying the welfare system is perfect, we just need to quit making excuses and start holding people accountable.
    Exactly, and the welfare systems encourage irresponsibility. That and generation's of stupidity handed down form one generation to the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Exactly, and the welfare systems encourage irresponsibility. That and generation's of stupidity handed down form one generation to the next.
    Really? I can give you one example that blows your theory out of the water.

    A man walked out on his wife and two small children, the sold the house out from under them to woman he was having an affair with at the time. The arrogant bastard had the county sheriff serve the eviction notice.

    The mother, with her back to the wall, had to ask her parents to move in with them and had to go on public assistance.

    As soon as she could, she got a small apartment of her own, and as soon as the youngest child was able to go to school, she sought part time work so she could be home when the kids got out of school. Of course, that cut own her welfare check, but she was proud that she was earning her own money.

    As her children got older and could take care of themselves after school, she started working full time and got off welfare for good. She got a job in a hospital, starting out as a nurses aide, then trained to become a ward clerk. She became the senior clerk for the hospital's maternity ward and retired 16 years ago.

    Her two children went on to college, with the assistance of grants and paying the rest of their tuitions on their own, began raising familiies of their own, bought homes and put their own children through college

    Her daughter is a registered nurse working in the offices of a surgical practice.

    Her son is a Deputy Fire Chief in his community.

    Thanks Mom... your sacrifices and tenacity got Sandy and I to where we are today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Really? I can give you one example that blows your theory out of the water.

    A man walked out on his wife and two small children, the sold the house out from under them to woman he was having an affair with at the time. The arrogant bastard had the county sheriff serve the eviction notice.

    The mother, with her back to the wall, had to ask her parents to move in with them and had to go on public assistance.

    As soon as she could, she got a small apartment of her own, and as soon as the youngest child was able to go to school, she sought part time work so she could be home when the kids got out of school. Of course, that cut own her welfare check, but she was proud that she was earning her own money.

    As her children got older and could take care of themselves after school, she started working full time and got off welfare for good. She got a job in a hospital, starting out as a nurses aide, then trained to become a ward clerk. She became the senior clerk for the hospital's maternity ward and retired 16 years ago.

    Her two children went on to college, with the assistance of grants and paying the rest of their tuitions on their own, began raising familiies of their own, bought homes and put their own children through college

    Her daughter is a registered nurse working in the offices of a surgical practice.

    Her son is a Deputy Fire Chief in his community.

    Thanks Mom... your sacrifices and tenacity got Sandy and I to where we are today!
    That is the people the system is supposed to help. Rarely does it. Go to your local DSS office and ask the people who work there. They will tell you it is the same people all the time and that many of them are second, third, and fourth generation. Your mother-in-law was not the typical recipient and did not come from that environment. She it was to be temporary and that you didn't live off the system.

    You will always have the one off's and the anomalies, which makes me cringe every time one of these idiot politicians parades people like Joe the plumber out on stage.We are seeing a host of people who have been treated unfairly by insurance companies lately. And if you go over to FOX or the conservative side of things you will see people mistreated by medicare, medicaid, and the VA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    So according to your reasoning then Europe (the welfare continent) is being overrun by irresponsible parents who are popping out children left and right to be rewarded even more for their irresponsibility. After all, welfare begets irresponsibility.
    Markus, Unfortunately thats a very true statement in at least some of the countries. France and Britain spring instatly to mind, followed by Holland and Denmark. Look at the riots in France and the UK the last few years, do a little digging and find out where they happen. You may or may not find it interesting. As far as I am concerned, the only thing worse than our welfare system is the reservation policies used against and for the Native Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Markus, Unfortunately thats a very true statement in at least some of the countries. France and Britain spring instatly to mind, followed by Holland and Denmark. Look at the riots in France and the UK the last few years, do a little digging and find out where they happen. You may or may not find it interesting. As far as I am concerned, the only thing worse than our welfare system is the reservation policies used against and for the Native Americans.
    Europe as a whole has an almost non-existing birth rate. Pretty impressive for a continent that rewards popping out babies in an irresponsible fashion.

    The riots in France have a large and storied history, they are not exactly rooted in welfare IMO.

    Personally I feet that we could take a lesson from the French riots. France is a government more afraid of it's people, instead of a people more afraid of it's government. I think it's helpful for a government to realize where it's power is coming from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Europe as a whole has an almost non-existing birth rate. Pretty impressive for a continent that rewards popping out babies in an irresponsible fashion.

    The riots in France have a large and storied history, they are not exactly rooted in welfare IMO.

    Personally I feet that we could take a lesson from the French riots. France is a government more afraid of it's people, instead of a people more afraid of it's government. I think it's helpful for a government to realize where it's power is coming from.
    I don't think that is what you meant. A near zero birth rate would mean there are very few births. We know that isn't the case. Of course, if that is the truth then I can see how health costs could be lower. Then again, I don't care how they do things in France, Spain, or any other country, I care how we do it.

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    That is the people the system is supposed to help. Rarely does it.
    Bull****. Chief's story is very similar to mine...and thousands of others.
    Go **** yourself; you're an uninformed idiot of the highest order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Bull****. Chief's story is very similar to mine...and thousands of others.
    Go **** yourself; you're an uninformed idiot of the highest order.
    I grew up under the German welfare system, and even then my parents worked full time. At age 16 moved to the US with my parents. My father was US military, so I am a citizen by birth but I still identify myself as an immigrant as far as life experiences go. My parents were poor when me moved here, my mom could not work for many years until she finaly got her imigration paperwork straightened out. My dad worked at least 2 jobs at any given time - minimum wage. I hit High School and worked 40 hour weeks (minimum wage again) to help make ends meet. Thanks to Pell Grants and an Oklahoma College Assistance Program (more welfare) I was the first person in our household to go to college. My dad worked his way from entry level worker at a factory for minimum pay to managing the warehouse.

    My family grew up in the welfare state, and they were able to bootsrap their way out of it. I am the product of the welfare state, and I am an RN and firefighter. For every person on welfare who has no motivation and drive to make something of themselves you will find a person who grew up in the middle class and has no motivation. If you look in the upper class you will find more people with no motivation.

    Heck, we got a freaking President who came out of the welfare system. You might not agree with a single thing he stands for, but he is proof that your theory is crap.
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    Posted by the brainless strawman
    Your mother-in-law was not the typical recipient and did not come from that environment. She it was to be temporary and that you didn't live off the system.
    Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Come to think of it... stupidity, ignorance and conjecture are your "best" qualities.

    That story is about my mom,vmy sister and I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Posted by the brainless strawman


    Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Come to think of it... stupidity, ignorance and conjecture are your "best" qualities.

    That story is about my mom,vmy sister and I.
    My bad, I guess I focused on the bolded statement "Thanks Mom... your sacrifices and tenacity got Sandy and I to where we are today!" So I thought Sandy was your wife not your sister. Reading comprehension isn't the problem, its that ADD thing. I might have skipped a line or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Bull****. Chief's story is very similar to mine...and thousands of others.
    Go **** yourself; you're an uninformed idiot of the highest order.
    I would expect stories like that coming form those in the working class. But those are the anomalies, there is no doubt the system doesn't work as intended. Just up the hill fro my house is a place known as welfare corner. There is a generation now that uses the system just like their parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. So the system has worked for thousands and failed millions. You are simply to far separated from the system.

    Go talk to the people who work in these offices. Of course we live in a small county of 50,000 you would be lucky to have 2,000 minorities in this community; not that the racial makeup matters, but if I don't specify some idiot/moron will call me a racist. The thing is with such a small population they know everyone. They will tell you who screwed up the system, how it screws the single person and rewards those who just keep popping em out. We will go out for a few ****tails and low and behold, my friend will set there and point out all of the recipients. I don't mind helping someone down on their luck. But when they have money to go out drinking, buy beer, drugs, and cigarettes, then they aren't down on their luck.

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    Laughing My Azz off. The sensorater censored the word C o c k t a i l. How stupit is that????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Laughing My Azz off. The sensorater censored the word C o c k t a i l. How stupit is that????
    It is as stupid, brainless, dazed, deficient, dense, dim, doltish, dopey, dull, dumb,, foolish, futile, gullible, half-baked, half-witted, idiotic, ill-advised, imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate, irrelevant, laughable, ludicrous, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, out to lunch, pointless, puerile, rash, senseless, shortsighted, simple, simpleminded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thick, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless, batty, campy, crazy, daffy, dippy, flaky, freaky, gagged up, goofy, llogical, incongruous, irrational, jokey, loony, nutty, off the wall, preposterous, sappy, screwy, silly, unreasonable and wacky as you are.
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    They will tell you who screwed up the system, how it screws the single person and rewards those who just keep popping em out.
    Once again, proof you are either an uninformed idiot who uses talk radio for research, or an outright liar. Why do you feel the need to blather on and on and on about things you obviously know jack**** about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    It is as stupid, brainless, dazed, deficient, dense, dim, doltish, dopey, dull, dumb,, foolish, futile, gullible, half-baked, half-witted, idiotic, ill-advised, imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate, irrelevant, laughable, ludicrous, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, out to lunch, pointless, puerile, rash, senseless, shortsighted, simple, simpleminded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thick, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless, batty, campy, crazy, daffy, dippy, flaky, freaky, gagged up, goofy, llogical, incongruous, irrational, jokey, loony, nutty, off the wall, preposterous, sappy, screwy, silly, unreasonable and wacky as you are.
    6 moths of saving up words and that is the best you can do? That is funny though

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    6 moths of saving up words and that is the best you can do? That is funny though
    You are not worth getting banned over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Exactly, and the welfare systems encourage irresponsibility. That and generation's of stupidity handed down form one generation to the next.
    Your still not getting the point, it's not the SYSTEM, it's the people who choose to manipulate the system. I think that is what the other people are trying to point out here. THE MORE YOU SAY THAT IT IS THE SYSTEMS FAULT YOU ARE ENABLING THE PEOPLE AND TAKING AWAY THE BLAME FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ABUSING IT. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS SAYING YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. It's not a system problem it's a people problem. Are you going to say the same thing about upper class and middle class people that feel that they don't have to pay their taxes. Do you want to blame the system for encouraging irresponsibility with that too. I'm tired of this victim thing of it's not anybody's fault blame it on the system. I grew up in a house that believed in a accountability, and that you were responsible for you own actions. Not everybody in welfare is trying to screw us over so that does not mean the system has failed. We need to weed the bad apples out and have more accountablility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolat06 View Post
    Your still not getting the point, it's not the SYSTEM, it's the people who choose to manipulate the system. I think that is what the other people are trying to point out here. THE MORE YOU SAY THAT IT IS THE SYSTEMS FAULT YOU ARE ENABLING THE PEOPLE AND TAKING AWAY THE BLAME FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ABUSING IT. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS SAYING YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. It's not a system problem it's a people problem. Are you going to say the same thing about upper class and middle class people that feel that they don't have to pay their taxes. Do you want to blame the system for encouraging irresponsibility with that too. I'm tired of this victim thing of it's not anybody's fault blame it on the system. I grew up in a house that believed in a accountability, and that you were responsible for you own actions. Not everybody in welfare is trying to screw us over so that does not mean the system has failed. We need to weed the bad apples out and have more accountablility.
    Well since 90% of the people in the system manipulate the system then it is BROKE!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Well since 90% of the people in the system manipulate the system then it is BROKE!!!!!!
    and that fact is from what?

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