SCBA is the cab??

**TruckSixFF** · 10-21-2009, 06:02 PM

What departments keep their scba in a compartment and not in the seats in the cab? I have seen a few departments with this and I do not see why they have it like that? Who does this? My dept has the packs in the seats and we step off the rig with our scba on our backs and tools in our hands.

**led219** · 10-21-2009, 06:09 PM

it is mostly older pumpers that don't have the racks built into the seats.

**pgfd65** · 10-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Our mutual aid company can't have a full cab because the trucks wouldn't fit in the station so they only have 2-3 person cabs. It would be impossible to put a pack on in such close quarters. If a truck has a full 6-8 person cab though I would hope the packs are built in the seats.

**rm1524** · 10-21-2009, 07:39 PM

Most two door commercial cabs do not have SCBA seats because of room in the cab. There is a school of thought that has gone around about the SCBA in the cab and the removal of them to the compartment. The reasoning for this is that if the SCBA is not in the cab then the firefighter will not be putting it on while going down the road and therefore be wearing their seatbelt. Another reason for going to the compartment with the SCBA is if the truck is in a wreck there would be less stuff in the cab to come lose and possibly hurt someone.

**rm1524** · 10-21-2009, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by led219

it is mostly older pumpers that don't have the racks built into the seats.

How old are you talking? I know of a 74 ALF that has SCBA seats on it.

**LaFireEducator** · 10-21-2009, 08:14 PM

There is a school of thought that has gone around about the SCBA in the cab and the removal of them to the compartment. The reasoning for this is that if the SCBA is not in the cab then the firefighter will not be putting it on while going down the road and therefore be wearing their seatbelt

Not a bad school to attend.

**FWDbuff** · 10-21-2009, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by LaFireEducator

There is a school of thought that has gone around about the SCBA in the cab and the removal of them to the compartment. The reasoning for this is that if the SCBA is not in the cab then the firefighter will not be putting it on while going down the road and therefore be wearing their seatbelt

Not a bad school to attend.

Do you really want to go there?

**pgfd65** · 10-21-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by FWDbuff

Do you really want to go there?

Why is there a problem with wearing your seatbelt in the cab?

**FWDbuff** · 10-21-2009, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by pgfd65

Why is there a problem with wearing your seatbelt in the cab?

No, not at all. I think all FD's should mandate it and enforce it. You haven't been around here long enough to know what I am talking about. Now go get back in the kitchen and finish the dishes, Proby.

**GTRider245** · 10-21-2009, 10:04 PM

My volly department has a 2007 E-One on a Freightliner chassis without SCBA in the seat. As mentioned above, no room in a two door cab.

For the record, if you cant put on your SCBA while wearing a seatbelt, then you dont hold the mental capacity to be a firefighter in the first place and should fine another profession.

**whfd hems 930** · 10-21-2009, 10:46 PM

QUOTE=rm1524;1106169]Most two door commercial cabs do not have SCBA seats because of room in the cab. There is a school of thought that has gone around about the SCBA in the cab and the removal of them to the compartment. The reasoning for this is that if the SCBA is not in the cab then the firefighter will not be putting it on while going down the road and therefore be wearing their seatbelt.

I pack up going down the road wearing my seat belt going to every fire. No problems here.

Another reason for going to the compartment with the SCBA is if the truck is in a wreck there would be less stuff in the cab to come lose and possibly hurt someone.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure how the SCBA would be able to come loose, at least in our trucks, as there is one way and only one that the bottle will come out of the holder, so I do believe that was designed into the SCBA seat to prevent this from happening, except for a far off case. Expecially with all of the NFPA reqs on all of our apparatus, equipment, and underwear.

**whfd hems 930** · 10-21-2009, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by GTRider245

For the record, if you cant put on your SCBA while wearing a seatbelt, then you dont hold the mental capacity to be a firefighter in the first place and should fine another profession.

DITTO!

Enough said.

**rm1524** · 10-22-2009, 07:12 AM

The man asked a question and I gave him an answer to the question that I had heard being discussed in another place and the pros and cons of it. I think the idea is stupid.

I agree that you can put a pack on going down the road with your seatbelt on, I do it all the time and we also have brackets and straps to hold our packs in place.

**LaFireEducator** · 10-22-2009, 07:55 AM

Do you really want to go there?

It's been discussed before. I leave it at that unless someone else brings it up.

**Rescue101** · 10-22-2009, 08:37 AM

Since you asked: YES, you can be seatbelted and be packing up IN TRANSIT. If you're wondering how this is possible ONCE AGAIN you're showing your complete inability to grasp firefighting at it's most BASIC level. It's VERY easy to do and as the others state,you step out of the cab ready to work.NOW do YOU really want to go down this road again? Putting the packs in the seats in proper holders makes HUGE amounts of sense both tactically AND in giving more compartment space for other important tools.INDISPUTABLE FACT. Now how do YOU do it? T.C.

**DeputyChiefGonzo** · 10-22-2009, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Rescue101

Since you asked: YES, you can be seatbelted and be packing up IN TRANSIT. If you're wondering how this is possible ONCE AGAIN you're showing your complete inability to grasp firefighting at it's most BASIC level. It's VERY easy to do and as the others state,you step out of the cab ready to work.NOW do YOU really want to go down this road again? Putting the packs in the seats in proper holders makes HUGE amounts odf sense both tactically AND in giving more compartment space for other important tools.INDISPUTABLE FACT. Now how do YOU do it? T.C.

He doesn't... the sad part is he is "training" others with his "vast knowldege" of nothing!

**Capt387** · 10-22-2009, 10:24 AM

Pheonix FD is probably the biggest not having SCBA in their cabs from what I read in a article some time back if memory serves me. Ask them their reason. As a CO with nearly 23 yrs I set the example and belt up, question is do my guys? I had one say the scba unit is strapped in, why do I have to belt up?

**Bones42** · 10-22-2009, 11:56 AM

Our drivers SCBA is in a compartment. We also have 2 fold down seats in the cab of our older engine that have SCBA's in compartments for those 2 persons.

**LaFireEducator** · 10-22-2009, 01:39 PM

In the custom cab engine and heavy rescue, all seats, except driver, have SCBA. Members are expected to pack up in transit.

They also have 2 extra compartment mounted for volunteers who are arriving POV.

Commercial cabs have 4 mounted in compartments.

Service trucks have 2 mounted in compartment and 4 stowed in cases. The 4 stowed in cases are there for rating purposes.

I don't think one can argue that not packing up enroute is safer.

I'm not going to get into the discussion about any tactical benefits.

**BULL321** · 10-22-2009, 01:42 PM

Like GTRider245 posted above, we mount our packs in a compartment of the truck in our commercial cab trucks and they are mounted up front in our two custom cab trucks.

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