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    At the advice of our county legal staff, our department banned helmet cams last year. I don't like it, but I do see where they're coming from.
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    I'm not surprised. I don't like it but I'm not surprised. You can thank scum sucking BS attorneys and bad judgment on YouTube for this mostly.
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    I guess they feel its more important to cut down on dept. liability than having a training tool for their ff"s?

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    I completely understand.

    I think these things are a distraction and would certainly lead to unwanted videos showing up on youtube, etc.

    Don't worry, soon enough everyone will have a camera built into their helmet/scba and the command post will be able to watch what is going on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    I guess they feel its more important to cut down on dept. liability than having a training tool for their ff"s?

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    I think the biggest problem in their eyes is making sure that all video footage is accounted for. The few helmet cams we have simply record on a memory card. Nothing keeps the firefighters from downloading the footage onto their laptop before passing it on to the training department. Before you know it the "training footage" is on YouTube and the family who lost their son to the fire can listen to firefighters talk about how "awesome" the fire was.

    We haven't had that problem yet, but the few people who have the cams are officers on my department. We have some good footage from a tornado that came close to our station and our recovery effort after the all clear was sounded. The news used the footage in their coverage and we got some good PR out of it.

    I think that in the end a few black sheep and an endless list of "what-if's" ruined it for everyone in Houston.
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    Just another example of how some clowns can ruin a good thing for the rest of us by posting with indiscretion and foolishness, generally to just get their 15 seconds of "fame." We have to police ourselves so that administration doesn't need to get involved. It's a shame, but it is reality.

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    can't blame HFD. all it takes is one ding dong posting the wrong video, besides who really wants to see the video of them getting pulled out of a fire or cut out of a car on the internet for everyone to gawk at?

    Let the buffs take the videos, or have the video taking sanctioned by the FD.

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    Probably will stop lots of problems. In my experience it seems the more roads to stupid you can close the better off you will be.

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    It's unfortunate that in our attempts to be professional, there are folks that somehow feel that posting what we do taken from a helmet cam help's get us there.

    As usual, we are our own worst enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    It's unfortunate that in our attempts to be professional, there are folks that somehow feel that posting what we do taken from a helmet cam help's get us there.

    As usual, we are our own worst enemy.
    And, as usual, someon is a sanctimonious windbag.

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    Take away their helmets.

    Then no one would have a place to mount the camera.
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    I wouldn't work with someone wearing a camera, and I'm positive my officer wouldn't allow it. When will everyone learn, cameras are never a good thing at work.

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    I agree that cameras should not be used during on duty operations but I disagree that they cannnot be used during training. There can be some valuable footage shoot during training that can be used to train future firefighters.

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    Actually I think they are an awesome asset for both training and incidents when used properly and intelligently. In fact, I think they are more valuable for incidents than training since incidents are when things aren't already planned out to a T. The video from incidents is invaluable for training.

    Unfortunately, thanks to a bunch of knuckleheads, we have this problem now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    I guess they feel its more important to cut down on dept. liability than having a training tool for their ff"s?

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    Had 200 years of pretty effective training in the Fire Service with out them.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace View Post
    Had 200 years of pretty effective training in the Fire Service with out them.....
    Damn brother you're that old? That's even before we wore the old cotton duck. I guess you had no where to mount a camera on your wooden bucket and horse pulled steamer.

    Just kidding brother.

    But the truth be told a having helmet mounted cameras can be a great training tool. Its one thing to tell a rookie something, it another to be able to show him. And as far as that goes, its like the in car camera in my patrol car. After a vehicle stop, I can go back and watch what I did right and what I did wrong and then address those issues and stay sharp.

    It all comes down to being responsible with the footage that you have and using it for the right things, not just to put it on youtube.

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    "It all comes down to being responsible with the footage that you have and using it for the right things, not just to put it on youtube".

    Amen....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDGloWorm View Post
    "It all comes down to being responsible with the footage that you have and using it for the right things, not just to put it on youtube".

    Amen....
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    I don't know, I've seen the footage of these helmet cams and you can't make out anything.. it's all smoke and condensation.

    I do think that a tripod mounted camera at the Command Post is okay. I've done and used that to review incidents. Plus, as the Chief, I controlled where that video went.

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