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    Default City of Longwood Hiring

    City of Longwood is beginning a process, we are hiring 1 right now. I believe apps can still be submitted at the city website. Good Luck!

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    Longwood..ha ha ha

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    What's so funny about Longwood?

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    i dunno, my guess is hes laughing at the name.....long-wood? lol

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    Yes they are hiring. Do you now if its mandatory that you do the physical fitness test through Seminole college?

    I just got off the phone with the college and it costs 94 bucks to take the test, which i really don't have .....

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    I believe you do have to take the test, but hey 94 dollars vs not getting hired on. I'd take the 94 dollar gamble right now. The test results (I believe) are good for a year with all depts in Seminole County, but that's just how it was when I took it, not sure this time.

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    I'm glad you are in a position to spend the $94 ... somebody will get the job and they will have to spend the money. I just don't have it. It kinda seems like it a way for the college to make money.

    $94 for a shot @ 1 spot those are tuff and expensive odds. Good Luck.

    Now if they were to "conditional job offer" .... then i could find the money.

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    its one spot andgonna be like 500+ applicants at 94$ each CPAT..47000..unless im wrong...i think colleges are the biggest crooks lol..to one person those 94 dollars would be worth it

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    Well, for what it's worth, that test will weed out a TON of the competition......Trust me

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedicFndz View Post
    its one spot andgonna be like 500+ applicants at 94$ each CPAT..47000..unless im wrong...i think colleges are the biggest crooks lol..to one person those 94 dollars would be worth it
    I definitely agree.. It's damn near criminal that departments are charging people to test for a job in this or any other economy, especially something as ridiculous as $94. Departments have to do training on their own so why not do a test at the station or firegrounds where your dept trains... The CPAT is a great test and an amazing equalizer, but you can get similar results with way less specialized equipment and without making a huge profit off of people desperate for work...

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    you can get similar results with way less specialized equipment and without making a huge profit off of people desperate for work...
    Amen brother ....

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    I thought Longwood was going to join Seminole County?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac73 View Post
    I thought Longwood was going to join Seminole County?
    That was Winter Springs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashpo1nt View Post
    That was Winter Springs.

    Check .... So many Depts in Seminole, hard to keep them all straight.

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    The college hosting the exam is an excellent idea for all the departments in Seminole County. It is a smart financial decision as well.

    First, the college weeds out a lot of candidates that would otherwise waste the time of the FD employees.

    Second, by having a standardized test, it reduces any arguments about things being fair or unfair; it also reduces the chances of nepotism/favoritism.

    All around, it is a brilliant idea as the cities and FDs save a lot of money by having the light work (weeding out) done for them. The taxpayers (you and me) are not paying OT costs for the FD personnel to staff these testing events. It also removes the departments from any potential litigation or challenges about the hiring process.

    There is significant cost savings, especially for the smaller departments.

    Of course the college is going to charge to administer an exam. The are supplying the equipment, the facility, the proctors, the time, paperwork, building overhead, etc, etc.

    Paying $94 to get on a list that all departments within the county will pull from is not a lot of money, especially if you are pursuing your "dream job."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKflightmedic View Post
    The college hosting the exam is an excellent idea for all the departments in Seminole County. It is a smart financial decision as well.

    First, the college weeds out a lot of candidates that would otherwise waste the time of the FD employees.

    Second, by having a standardized test, it reduces any arguments about things being fair or unfair; it also reduces the chances of nepotism/favoritism.

    All around, it is a brilliant idea as the cities and FDs save a lot of money by having the light work (weeding out) done for them. The taxpayers (you and me) are not paying OT costs for the FD personnel to staff these testing events. It also removes the departments from any potential litigation or challenges about the hiring process.

    There is significant cost savings, especially for the smaller departments.

    Of course the college is going to charge to administer an exam. The are supplying the equipment, the facility, the proctors, the time, paperwork, building overhead, etc, etc.

    Paying $94 to get on a list that all departments within the county will pull from is not a lot of money, especially if you are pursuing your "dream job."
    The college is profiting. The departments do not profit when they test.. There in lies the problem.

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    Paying $94 to get on a list that all departments within the county will pull from is not a lot of money, especially if you are pursuing your "dream job."
    They are going to hire how many from that list? Less than 10 i imagine. More like Longwood will be the only one is my guess. Other departments in the county (Paying $94 to get on a list that all departments within the county will pull from is not a lot of money, especially if you are pursuing your "dream job." and Seminole County) have already hired so now its $94 for the possibility to pursue my dream job with less and less a chance. Is their a law stating that departments HAVE TO hire from that list or is it up to the individual dept? There is only like 8 r 10 towns in the county ... two have already hired without this list ... still think its a good idea?

    How about the Longwood brothers who prolly just got shafted out of some overtime ...? You think they are happy about this?

    .. and if its not a lot of money to you ... can you paypal me the $94 .... it the only thing stopping me.
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    I have taken this test a few times when I was looking for a job, and went to SCC for Fire School. it is a TOUGH test, especially if you have been out of standards for awhile. It used to be, about every department in Seminole County used this list, or gave it alot of consideration, when testing for firefighters. The only department that did not use this list, was the City Of Oviedo. Nowadays, this is not the case. Seminole County is going to the CPAT, Winter Springs is now part of Seminole County, Sanford does not give it much consideration at all, especially if you are medic. This leaves you with the City Of Casselberry, and Lake Mary: 2 departments that have not hired in quite some time. YOU do the math....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFIT863 View Post
    The college is profiting. The departments do not profit when they test.. There in lies the problem.
    You are correct, they do not profit. However, they spend a lot of money, waste time and this is a way to save on both.

    Times are tough all around, so it is very prudent of the FD management and city management to save by using this set up.

    Would you rather them keep hosting testings along with all the associated costs and then realize there are budget shortfalls that will now have to be made up by no raises, increases insurance costs, not hiring or even resorting to layoffs?

    Not saying the testing is the sole cause of this but it is a factor and a significant piece of the overall annual budget.

    But from the replies, it seems we wish to disregard all the financial and practical management stuff cause in the end it is all about you and how you are not getting a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    They are going to hire how many from that list? Less than 10 i imagine. More like Longwood will be the only one is my guess.
    So the job is not worth it to you? Do you not feel like you can be one of those those ten? Giving up before you start...


    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    Other departments in the county (Paying $94 to get on a list that all departments within the county will pull from is not a lot of money, especially if you are pursuing your "dream job." and Seminole County) have already hired so now its $94 for the possibility to pursue my dream job with less and less a chance.
    Self defeatist attitude...it IS a possibility if you want to try for it. I can tell you one thing for sure...all the guys who do take that chance...some of them will have a job. To not even try guarantees one thing, which is it will NOT be you.

    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    Is their a law stating that departments HAVE TO hire from that list or is it up to the individual dept? There is only like 8 r 10 towns in the county ... two have already hired without this list ... still think its a good idea?
    No law I am aware of and yes it is still a good idea. Read previous two posts of mine for some of the reasons why.

    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    How about the Longwood brothers who prolly just got shafted out of some overtime ...? You think they are happy about this?
    .. and if its not a lot of money to you ... can you paypal me the $94 .... it the only thing stopping me.
    I am sorry, I did not think this was about me trying to get OT for guys on a department that I do not even work for yet. I thought it was about trying to get a job. The reduction of OT is exactly what the situation allows for, so no I do not feel bad that they are not getting it for these 1-2 days of testing however often they do it. It has been this way for years, so I do not think they are upset at all, otherwise it would have been negotiated by now.

    No money for you but I will say if you want something bad enough you will find a legal way to obtain or achieve it. I have spent tons of money in pursuit of jobs and maintaining licensure. You are not the only one who has been put out when trying to gain employment. It is called life and we all play the game, some better than others.

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    Self defeatist attitude...it IS a possibility if you want to try for it. I can tell you one thing for sure...all the guys who do take that chance...some of them will have a job. To not even try guarantees one thing, which is it will NOT be you.
    AKflightmedic, my $94 dollars can go along way to being able to attend other written, PAT, and oral boards that are hiring (more than one). I would even have to borrow gas money to get there let alone come up with gas money and $94 fee to support the college. My money is very limited right now (thats an understatement). I lost my last job because they didn't see the humor in me taking 4 days off to do written tests and PAT's (free by the way) for three other counties.

    I just can't get my head around why if its such a good idea why did i test for Seminole county not at the college at all ..... if the biggest and baddest Fire Dept in the county doesn't use it ... and they hired a lot of people .... like 20 .... why is it a good thing to risk and already shrinking bank account by $94 for one job. Basically its a hundred bucks ... and that very likely might limit other testing opportunities that are hiring more.

    I have applied to many FD .. can you imagine paying $94 to each area to take PAT .... i would have spent a lot and have ZERO employment because of it.

    I have spent tons of money in pursuit of jobs and maintaining licensure.
    I am not criticizing you but are you still in Alaska? are you from here or just offering encouragement? Jobs are scarce down here, a lot of applicants, and we also have to pay our own way through the academy. I already have 3K+ in fire school along with being off work during my full time academy .... dropped another 2K to do EMT school before that .... so, like you i have a lot invested already.

    Over 500 hundred applied for those 20 jobs at Seminole county FD. Another 300 for 10 full time and 8 provisional out @ Lake county FD. It not like i'm not out there .... a lot of competition and monetary costs to even try out for the jobs.

    I just don't like the fact that not everybody uses the list and the college makes money off it.

    AKflightmedic, Thanks for the encouragement but i had to make the difficult choice not to try for this one.

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    Thank you for not responding in a negative way, as you never know who may be behind these screen names.

    I am a Florida paramedic and Florida firefighter.

    I left Florida after many years there on the road to go fly. I achieved that dream, did it for a few years then moved back to Florida.

    I am well aware of the status/situation in Florida and if you read any of my previous posts you will see I have gone out of my way to assist many people with jobs in FL and overseas. Many have been hired, some have come and gone and some are still where I hooked them up.

    I know money is tight, you have to weigh your options and that part sucks. What if...the bulk of the potential applicants are in the same situation as you, they see the department and that test as a waste of time because of low number to be hired and the expense? What if that reduced the potential applicants and increased your odds? Could you make yourself stand out above the rest, then get hired and at least have income and be obtaining experience?

    Heck, you might even decide you like the small department and just stay on for a career as many do. I myself was in a very similar situation several years back. I tested for a small department that was opening a new station. Imagine our surprise when there were only 10 applicants for 11 positions..

    If you can not do it or it is not worth it, then you have to decide that for yourself. At the same time, you have to look around and consider your odds. Sometimes being a fish in a sea of 800 is worse than being the fish in a sea of 20, as you have no moment to shine.

    The college is a business. I was just annoyed that every one was angry the college turns a profit. Well duh, they are a business and there is a demand for the service they provide. Whether or not everyone uses it is irrelevant, it just sounds like a lot of sour grapes and whining. That was my main beef that no one seemed to acknowledge.

    Good luck to you and keep making those tough decisions.
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    Yes i learned along time ago that colleges are business ..(which is why i was so PO'ed that i missed the Daytona Beach fire academy because nobody there could return a phone call .. i was like what you don't my money ?) i just don't see the college providing value @ $94. I see it as a way to get as much as they can. I personally don't like doing business with businesses that don't provide value for what your buying. Disney and Walmart are moving up on my list for companies that show NO VALUE for what you get. Recently i saw a rubiks cube at walmart for almost $9.00 ... what? There is no value there at all.

    Now is Longwood getting value ..??.. they have priced themselves, by using the college, out of the reach of many applicants. Three of us from my fire school are not going to do it because of the cost.

    Sure it might be better odds for those who apply, and pay the money, but do the citizens of Longwood get better/best firefighters available because of the reduced pool of applicants to choose from ?

    Save a little money by not conducting their own test. Might be penny wise pound foolish.

    Heck, you might even decide you like the small department and just stay on for a career as many do
    Small or large, that doesn't matter to me.

    (yes i seriously do understand economics .... i dont have to buy it or shop there, the market will determine the winner ...all that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKflightmedic View Post
    You are correct, they do not profit. However, they spend a lot of money, waste time and this is a way to save on both.

    Times are tough all around, so it is very prudent of the FD management and city management to save by using this set up.

    Would you rather them keep hosting testings along with all the associated costs and then realize there are budget shortfalls that will now have to be made up by no raises, increases insurance costs, not hiring or even resorting to layoffs?

    Not saying the testing is the sole cause of this but it is a factor and a significant piece of the overall annual budget.

    But from the replies, it seems we wish to disregard all the financial and practical management stuff cause in the end it is all about you and how you are not getting a job.
    Businesses are designed to turn a profit.. That's one of the reasons I chose a career in the fire service over virtually any other career you could think of that I am very readily capable of achieving. The fact remains at the end of the day your job in the fire service is not to increase the bottom line of a company, but to help people... While this isn't a direct violation of that, it certainly seems a tad hypocritical.

    I don't believe the impact on an FD is that devastating for them to drag out a 24 ft ladder, a hose, and an air pack at a location with some stairs and run 100 applicants through it in 1 day... I am sure a lot of departments have Volunteers that could staff it or members willing to volunteer to run it in hopes of selecting the best candidates to be their future brothers.

    I am all for people having to show desire and initiative to want to get the greatest job in the world. I think that's being shown by every person who drives 3 hours away from their home to take a written/PAT with 300 other people for 1 job. I don't think charging them $100 does anything to show their drive.. It simply draws a big fat line between the haves and the have nots and not the best candidates for the position.

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