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    Came across this on Ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/CUSTOM-MADE-FIRE...item20ac13a9d3

    It seems like a nice idea. And the price is reasonable considering what buying a pair of Channellock pliers and a 4-1 screwdriver costs and this can do more then both. Or is this thing overkill? Opinions?


    He has another version as well, the difference being a gas shutoff tool vs a hydrant wrench. Although, why would you need a gas shutoff tool built into a pair of adjustable pliers? You could just use the pliers to do shut off the gas.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/CUSTOM-FIREFIGHT...item20ad32391a
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    My guess it that it would work okay for application where you would use a pair of pliers. The spanner attachment might work okay as well.

    Other than that:

    1. Using either of the screwdrivers would be easier with a regular screwdriver.

    2. The striking surface is not flat and would be difficult to get any blow of reasonable force.

    3. The hydrant adapter is designed for that departments plugs. It may or may not fit yours, it definately will not fit ours. Even it did fit, it would be a humongous pain in the *** to turn a hydrant with it.

    Just my opinion, but let us know if you try it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    3. The hydrant adapter is designed for that departments plugs. It may or may not fit yours, it definately will not fit ours. Even it did fit, it would be a humongous pain in the *** to turn a hydrant with it.
    Yup. I agree, I would like to see you turn our hydrants with this thing.

    Looks very cheaply made. I wouldn't buy it. I keep lineman's pliers and a gerber tool in my pocket, there isn't a situation I have not been able to handle yet!
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    The hydrant nut part is throwing me off too. Aside from the obvious where it may not fit the hydrants you deal with, i just cannot see you getting much torque out of those small handles. I could see it being used to take caps off, but i cannot see why you would even need it to open a hydrant valve.

    His suggestion that if it does not fit your hydrant you may need to do some grinding is laughable. I could imagine spending hours with a Dremel tool and a hundred mini grinding wheels trying to enlarge the opening.

    I do like the spanner portion. With Channel lock now making two types or rescue cutters, i am surprised they have not made a pair of their slip joints with a spanner tool built in and the cylinder tools already built into the handles. But maybe they are someday.

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    Just another gizmo, never seen any of those things hold up. If the screw tips aren't welded in they fall out, if they are welded in so they don't fall out they become useless when the bits fail. The welds look pretty crappy too.

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    Looks like a peice of junk set of dollar store pliars with some shatty welding. I will pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WD6956 View Post
    His suggestion that if it does not fit your hydrant you may need to do some grinding is laughable. I could imagine spending hours with a Dremel tool and a hundred mini grinding wheels trying to enlarge the opening.
    Ha! I didn't see that. Considering we use square operating nuts, that would be quite a chore.
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    it looks like a pretty whackerish kind of tool.


    I can carry channel locks and screw drivers and do most of the functions better than this gizmo. And if I need to do something else, I can get the right tool off the truck. Infact my channel locks and screw drivers can do 9 of the functions. The striking surface I'm on the fence for because I don't see a need to do it, but I could probably do it if needed. The spanner and hydrant shut off I can't do with my tools. However I couldn't turn a hydrant off with with this one for reasons already mentioned. I'm not a lazy slob, so I can walk to the truck to get a spanner wrench. I can even use some foresight and put the spanner in my pocket if I think I'll need it in the near future.

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    The comment on the eBay page about this tool being as cool as an iPhone or whatever made me laugh out loud.
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    If it wasn't made in shop class, it might fly.

    I don't carry that much to begin with, so I'm not really tempted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    The only tool I carry is a Radio, All other Tools can be ordered thru the radio...........
    Ha, that was a good one Harve!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    The only tool I carry is a Radio, All other Tools can be ordered thru the radio...........
    You don't have to call the guys on the truck names....
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    This thing cracks me up.

    Half the tools are redundant.

    Gas Valve Tool, Oxygen Valve Tool....

    I have a pair of plain channel lock pliers, if I have to shut off the gas....I would just use my freaking pliers . Why add more tools to the pliers, if the pliers can do the job to begin with.

    Here is what I use: I have an old piece of 2 1/2 inch hose that is bend over itself and held together with an electrical tie. I use that as a pocket organizer, I think I originally saw it on vententersearch.com. I keep 1 flat head, 1 phillips head, and 1 pair of channel lock pliers and wire cutters. That setup has served me fine.

    I found a picture of the "pocket protector" that I use:



    Works better than any "commercial" organizer that you can buy. And the hose is pretty snug, so nothing falls out of it.
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    If I had this tool I'd use it as a paper weight....
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    If I had this tool, I'd use it to touch myself while watching Backdraft and Ladder 49 while wearing my "I fight what you fear" t-shirt. Then go to mcdonalds with my pager on full volume and get in a verbal confrontation with the manager after it goes off and disturbs the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Half the tools are redundant.

    Gas Valve Tool, Oxygen Valve Tool....

    I have a pair of plain channel lock pliers, if I have to shut off the gas....I would just use my freaking pliers . Why add more tools to the pliers, if the pliers can do the job to begin with..
    That was my main issue. Especially on the version with the gas shutoff built in. Makes no sense at all. The only thing i really liked about it was the built in spanner wrench. That i think is a good idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Here is what I use: I have an old piece of 2 1/2 inch hose that is bend over itself and held together with an electrical tie. I use that as a pocket organizer, I think I originally saw it on vententersearch.com. I keep 1 flat head, 1 phillips head, and 1 pair of channel lock pliers and wire cutters. That setup has served me fine.

    I found a picture of the "pocket protector" that I use:



    Works better than any "commercial" organizer that you can buy. And the hose is pretty snug, so nothing falls out of it.
    I too saw that section on VES and liked the idea. Before i set out to make one, a quick search on Ebay turned up a firefighter making them already. And at $9.99 each, it was not even worth tracking down a piece of hose and then using duct tape to make it work. His are rivited and and have a snap. Really niceley made. I bought one awhile back and people keep asking where i got it.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Hose-Pouch-Firef...item2c5117bafd

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    I've always found that tools that try to "do it all" usually end up doing nothing well. That's my impression of this item. Good intentions, good in theory, but not really practical in the end...like quints and rescue pumpers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFPCogs08 View Post
    I've always found that tools that try to "do it all" usually end up doing nothing well. That's my impression of this item. Good intentions, good in theory, but not really practical in the end...like quints and rescue pumpers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WD6956 View Post
    I too saw that section on VES and liked the idea. Before i set out to make one, a quick search on Ebay turned up a firefighter making them already. And at $9.99 each, it was not even worth tracking down a piece of hose and then using duct tape to make it work. His are rivited and and have a snap. Really niceley made. I bought one awhile back and people keep asking where i got it.
    His is a lot better looking than mine, that's for sure. We always have some sections of out of service hose laying around, so it was a quick 5 minute project for me. But looks like that guy found himself a good market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    The only tool I carry is a Radio, All other Tools can be ordered thru the radio...........
    Ditto Harve.. roger that!
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    I have a nice "do it all" tool that really works. The signature on it is "Hugh Halligan".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC1503 View Post
    I have a nice "do it all" tool that really works. The signature on it is "Hugh Halligan".


    You should really file that off before he finds out you stole his tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    If I had this tool, I'd use it to touch myself while watching Backdraft and Ladder 49 while wearing my "I fight what you fear" t-shirt. Then go to mcdonalds with my pager on full volume and get in a verbal confrontation with the manager after it goes off and disturbs the store.
    LMAO... You speak from exp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC1503 View Post
    I have a nice "do it all" tool that really works. The signature on it is "Hugh Halligan".
    If you have a halligan bar with the engraved Hugh Halligan signature, you better not be using it, as it should be in a glass case.....The last one I saw on eBay went for about 800 bucks.....
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