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    Default New Quint and Driving Expectations

    Our department has just acquired a 75ft. quint. We already have a 100ft. ladder truck and we are not allowed to drive it by ourselves unless it is going for maintenance. Our department is looking at changing it so that we can drive the quint it by ourselves to and from calls but keeping the ladder truck the same. Is there an NFPA standard that DOES NOTallow us to drive the quint to and from calls and general driving around? We are trying to keep it the same for both the 100ft. ladder and the 75ft. quint.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kbarnes660 View Post
    Our department has just acquired a 75ft. quint. We already have a 100ft. ladder truck and we are not allowed to drive it by ourselves unless it is going for maintenance. Our department is looking at changing it so that we can drive the quint it by ourselves to and from calls but keeping the ladder truck the same. Is there an NFPA standard that DOES NOTallow us to drive the quint to and from calls and general driving around? We are trying to keep it the same for both the 100ft. ladder and the 75ft. quint.
    What do you mean by not driving it by yourselves??
    Who is supposed to drive it??
    How is it supposed to get to and from calls if you don't drive it??

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    What I am trying to relay is that a person cannot drive the 100ft. ladder around by themselves (no one else on truck) to either an emergency call or to a non-emergency call or function. They are stating that we can drive the 75ft. quint to an emergency call or non-emergency function. Looking for documentation (NFPA) to state that an aerial device is an aerial device and that our 100ft. ladder and 75ft. quint are considered both aerial devices.

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    Sorry if I was abrupt.

    Up until 20 years ago our Paid staff reponded on most calls with just one in the Engine and the volunteers would run lots of times with the second truck alone.

    In 1989 the Town hired 3 dispatchers so there would be two firefighters in the first out engine at all times while the volunteers could still run alone with the second out unit. Including the aerial ladder.

    About 8-10 years ago the Province reclassified licenses and in order to drive you had to have a class 3 with air brake endorsement (Paid Staff) and the fire department implemented it for the volunteers as well with an SOP that there would be two in the second unit on all responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbarnes660 View Post
    What I am trying to relay is that a person cannot drive the 100ft. ladder around by themselves (no one else on truck) to either an emergency call or to a non-emergency call or function. They are stating that we can drive the 75ft. quint to an emergency call or non-emergency function. Looking for documentation (NFPA) to state that an aerial device is an aerial device and that our 100ft. ladder and 75ft. quint are considered both aerial devices.
    It looks like your real question is about minimum staffing. We too have a restriction that our Tower never rolls without someone in the officers seat, but there is no such mandate from anywhere I know of. NFPA suggests 4 on a truck, so adding one person will not come close. Both NFPA and ISO are really about the number of firefighters on the fireground, not in the truck. That being said, our restriction is based on proper spotting of the aerial and more eyes are always better than fewer. But a mandate? None I know of or we'd all have better staffing.

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    Quints and ladders usually have large rear overhangs and as a result have swings opposite to the direction of turning. Having driven over the road (mostly alone) with a logged distance of over 1 million miles, I like the fact that it is mandatory in our department, to have a person in the officers seat whenever the quint rolls out of the station. In addition to the two minimum, no backing or maneuvering can be done without a spotter. In the 1860's when the railroads invented the block signal system, there were many accidents caused by over running the signal. In 1880's the rules of the road were changed to requiring the engineer to call out the signal condition, and the fireman was required to observe the signal and call it back to the engineer. When responding, the front seat procedure is to have the driver call "Clear right, clear left" The officer calls wht he is seeing and if both agree the intersection is clear, the driver calls "Coming Out" before accelerating across the lane. There can't be too many eyes when negotiating traffic.

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