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    Unhappy BS'o METER "DING DING DING"

    So I guess as a shop owner you are "expected" to let the thief get away?

    Toronto store owner may get break on assault, confinement charges

    Accused in alleged assault on shoplifter in court Tuesday

    By Matthew Coutts, National Post November 3, 2009 7:21 AM

    TORONTO — Some charges against Chinatown merchant David Chen may be dropped Tuesday, when he returns to court to face accusations he assaulted and confined a shoplifter.

    His lawyer, Peter Lindsay, said he will meet with the Crown lawyer and judge before the court hearing. Chen was arrested May 23, after he and two staff members at the Lucky Moose Market chased down a thief and held him until police arrived.

    "Hopefully something good will happen, but it is largely within the control of the Crown at this point," Lindsay said Monday. "I can't make them withdraw. I can encourage them to withdraw, but I can't make them do it."

    Chen has been charged with assault, kidnapping, forcible confinement and concealment of a weapon — a box cutter he kept on his belt.

    Lindsay previously said the Crown was considering dropping the most serious charge, kidnapping. He also said Chen rejected a plea deal that would result in a suspended sentence and no jail time for pleading guilty to two charges: forcible confinement and concealment of a weapon.

    A Crown spokesperson said any comment will be made in court.

    Surveillance footage from May 23 shows Anthony Bennett taking $60 worth of plants from outside Chen's store only to return an hour later.

    Chen and two other men then allegedly chased him down an alley, bound his hands and locked him in the back of a delivery truck until police arrived.

    Bennett has pleaded guilty to two counts of shoplifting — relating to the Lucky Moose Market theft and a similar incident on King Street West — and spend 30 days in jail.

    A judge decided to give him the sentence, reduced from 90 days, after he agreed in court to testify against Chen.

    Last week, Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair met with the media to clear up the perception that police or the Crown cut a plea deal with Bennett in exchange for his testimony. He said the "misinformation" had seriously undermined the Chinese community's trust in the police force.

    The two other accused face similar charges.

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    That is Bull Sh t. What, they don't have citizen's arrest in Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    That is Bull Sh t. What, they don't have citizen's arrest in Canada?

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    I'm not positive on this BULL, but I don't think we do. Just like we don't have an effective justice system either

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I'm not positive on this BULL, but I don't think we do. Just like we don't have an effective justice system either

    Welcome to the club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Welcome to the club!

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    Heres a great example of our justice system in action. Total of 6 years for helping her boyfriend kill her entire family including her little brother!! In 3 1/2 she's rehabilitated enough to go to malls and banks?

    Teen who slew family wins escorted trips

    Girl in custody at Alberta Hospital

    By Sherri Zickefoose and Keith Gerein, Calgary Herald; Edmonton JournalNovember 3, 2009



    Canada's youngest multiple killer is now taking "baby steps" toward freedom after a judge changed her sentence from closed to open custody, allowing for escorted trips into the community.

    As part of the 16-year-old's relaxed conditions, she will soon be allowed escorted walks around the grounds of Alberta Hospital, where she is being held, and eventually visits to banks and shopping malls.

    All outings off hospital grounds must first be approved by the Solicitor General's office and will require two supervisors.

    The girl, who once called herself Runaway Devil online, appeared via closed-circuit television from Edmonton during an annual sentencing review Monday in Medicine Hat. She was flanked by her therapist and case worker, who said she is making progress.

    The girl has been in custody since her arrest four years ago, and would benefit from outings into the community before the end of her youth sentence, court heard.

    The girl was 12 when she and her 23-year-old lover slaughtered her parents and little brother inside their Medicine Hat home on April 23, 2006. She remains in Alberta Hospital undergoing an intensive rehabilitative custody and supervision sentence for two more years. She will spend four years after that in a group home. At age 22, she will be free.

    The girl and her co-accused, Jeremy Steinke, were each found guilty on three counts of first-degree murder.

    Justice Scott Brooker agreed to review the girl's progress every six months in light of her new freedoms. Her potential risk to the public is constantly assessed.

    Although the girl is succeeding scholastically and gaining ground in therapy, "certain aspects of the report are troubling," said Crown prosecutor Ramona Robins, adding they concern the girl's interpretation of the facts surrounding her crime.

    Save for recent visits with relatives, she has had almost no contact with the outside world, court heard.

    Several visits with family that began this past summer are expected to continue.

    "I think that was a bit of a milestone," said her psychologist.

    The girl, who was once described as "seriously disturbed," is gaining ground, her defence lawyer said.

    "She's a very different person now than she was then," said Katherin Beyak.

    'THANK YOU'

    When the judged asked the girl if she had anything to say, she responded: "Thank you for the opportunity."

    "I'm satisfied the protection of the public is certainly being considered," said Brooker, adding that open custody will help the girl's ultimate successful reintegration into society.

    The girl has had two previous sentencing reviews. At the time, it was said she showed a "failure to internalize"-- a term experts say generally means a lack of remorse.

    Psychiatric pre-sentencing reports, which are sealed, described her in 2007 as suffering from oppositional defiance disorder and conduct disorder. Before therapy began, the girl suffered from dependency issues, anxiety and depression, and was prone to immature problem-solving and wishful fantasies.

    She was given the maximum sentence allowed under the Youth Criminal Justice Act--six years in custody followed by four years of supervision.

    Steinke, 26, was sentenced last December to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years.

    After their arrest for the murders, the girl and Steinke exchanged jailhouse love letters in which they agreed to marry. The relationship crumbled when they began to blame each other.

    Since she was sentenced under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, the girl is entitled to an opportunity for rehabilitation, said Pat Yuzwenko, a local youth justice lawyer. As such, supervised visits into the community are a necessary part of the process of helping the girl to eventually lead a productive life.

    "At some point, she is going back into society," Yuzwenko said. "So, do you want her locked up for four-plus years and then suddenly dumped on the street and it's 'Good luck.'Or do we want to make sure she's got the tools to get back into the community?"

    Some concern from the public is understandable, considering the horrific nature of the killings and the fact just three and half years have passed, said Heidi Illingworth, executive director of the Ottawa-based Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime

    "You have someone who's committed unspeakable acts coming back into society, and I'm sure people are questioning how much treatment has there been and how beneficial has it been in three to four years," she said. "But I guess you have to look at the experts evaluating her, psychiatrists and others, who feel it's the right time to begin the process.

    "Our concern first and foremost is always public safety, so we're happy it's escorted passes and it will be a gradual release process."

    TRUST THE STAFF

    Michael Chettleburgh, a Torontobased criminal justice expert, said the public needs to trust that staff evaluating the girl know what they are doing.

    "One thing people don't realize when it comes young offenders is that the brain of child doesn't fully develop until they are 15 or 16, including the areas of the brain required for decision making. So a lot has changed over the last three or four years for this young person.

    "Is there a chance for reoffending? Sure, but I think society has to keep their fears in check. It's not like the average person has anything to fear as a result of this person being released."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Just like we don't have an effective justice system either
    Oh, it's just like living in Massachusetts. Freaking brainless liberals have destroyed the entire concept of punishment for a crime.

    Last month had a guy with about 8 sexual offenses in his 10 page criminal resume try to rape a staff member at Mass General Hospital........Wouldn't want to put that P.O.S. in jail after the 1st or 2nd offense would we?


    Your case is stupid, the guy detains the "alleged" criminal doing the police's job FOR THEM and yet he gets punished for it. I suppose he should have just called the police where they would have done little, if anything, to find a person that committed such a "low-level" crime.
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    This is the type of crap that you have to put up in a semi-socialist government. Its change you can believe in. And if its not stop is going to make its way south and into the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    This is the type of crap that you have to put up in a semi-socialist government. Its change you can believe in. And if its not stop is going to make its way south and into the US.

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    I'm not sure how much is related to socialism as it is to liberalism. I suppose to some Canada is socialistic, yet to many, we are still quite right wing. Justice system is plainly flawed, but I can't really correlate between socialism and this crap.

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    The people I helped get arrested by slowing down their getaway were so stupid,they were selling stolen goods 3 blocks away from the police station across the river and state line because they figured Illinois cops didn't monitor Kentucky police frequencies.

    This past Sunday(11-1),the Memphis Commercial Appeal devoted SIX entire pages to a family of 15 people ranging from 20 to 65 who had 40 felony arrests average,15 felony convictions apeice and 5 currently serving time.
    The only one who didn't have any felony arrests at all but does have numerous misdemeanor arrests has been in a wheelchair since 2000 and hasn't been arrested since.
    I guess it's too difficult to make a clean getaway when you know witnesses are going to tell the police,"He pushed off in his wheelchair going down East Parkway.That way,Officer!If you hurry you can catch him!That's him waiting for the light!"

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