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    Just watched a BBC documentary called Fire Storm. Its about the California fire storms and the problems faced by CalFire. I don't care what their helmets looked like, those lads deserve every bit of credit and admiration they receive. I've done a little bit of wildland and forestry fire fighting in Canada but absolutely nothing like this. Tip of the helmet to CalFire and local fire depts.

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    Part of the problem they have out there is the lack of land management. The greenies decided that clearing underbrush was a bad thing, so they allow things to just grow wild. Of note, the nearest tree to my house is about 80 feet away. No trees or brush anywhere near the house. And the underbrush and dead stuff is kept clean. No fuel - no fire.

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    I think I saw that special a few months ago, Bryan. It was an EXCELLENT show, I really enjoyed it.
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    Ya know the sign you see that says "Don't feed the bears"??? That should apply to the ego's of SOME of CAL-Fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    Ya know the sign you see that says "Don't feed the bears"??? That should apply to the ego's of SOME of CAL-Fire.
    Can't pass any judgement on that, although I think that's true no matter what side of the country you reside. One of the featured people on there was a retired Cal FF and rancher. Some pretty interesting comments from him. Worthwhile to watch if you get a chance.

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    I know that there are retards and amazing Guys and Gals in every group but all i can say is wow, About the Ringers we got stuck with.
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    Huge differences from place to place....... There are some attention getting Fires in the Mid-Atlantic area, but they are smaller, and of much shorter duration. Largest Fire that I've ever seen in Maryland was a 3 Day, 1,200 Acre Job, back well over 20 years ago. That would only be a drop in the bucket west of the Mississippi.......... We don't hear much about it because of the distance from here, but Australia has a Fire Problem equal to the Southwestern US......
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    Never seen the video. Is there a link for it some where or on Hulu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Huge differences from place to place....... There are some attention getting Fires in the Mid-Atlantic area, but they are smaller, and of much shorter duration. Largest Fire that I've ever seen in Maryland was a 3 Day, 1,200 Acre Job, back well over 20 years ago. That would only be a drop in the bucket west of the Mississippi.......... We don't hear much about it because of the distance from here, but Australia has a Fire Problem equal to the Southwestern US......
    When we visitied Montana last year we drove through Wyoming. Between Cody, Wyoming and Yellowstone there was a 64,000+ acre "small" wild fire. Biggest ifre I ever fought was about 70 acres.

    I will admit to being a fat, lazy bastid - you can have those big wild fires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    Never seen the video. Is there a link for it some where or on Hulu?

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    I don't know Bou, it was called "Fire Storm" and was aired on BBC. I'm sure it was USA produced however.

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    Okay not Picking on California but i will say, "The Media coverage that they receive Nationally compared to other areas is insane. And at times insulting"

    But i can understand why too, Parts of that states fuel load and type is a Bit**. Simple fact too is we don't do this for the glory but at times it seems that it gets projected that way.
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    Some fire in California are major incidents/conflagrations with cost running in the millions, numerous aircraft, large dollar loss, mandatory evauations, and sometimes lives lost.

    Its major news, so like who are you blaming? As for the fuel loading, its a big state, what can you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    Okay not Picking on California but i will say, "The Media coverage that they receive Nationally compared to other areas is insane. And at times insulting"

    But i can understand why too, Parts of that states fuel load and type is a Bit**. Simple fact too is we don't do this for the glory but at times it seems that it gets projected that way.
    I'm not sure why you would think it was out of proportion considering the effect they have on your country and your economy. I have been in Asia during the Australia fires and in Europe during the fires in Greece and southern Spain. Both received a great deal of coverage. I would imagine in ND you have seen and been involved in some forest fires, Wildland or bush fires can be even worse due to the speed they travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    Ya know the sign you see that says "Don't feed the bears"??? That should apply to the ego's of SOME of CAL-Fire.
    How about the one that reads:
    DON'T FEED THE TROLLS! T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    When we visitied Montana last year we drove through Wyoming. Between Cody, Wyoming and Yellowstone there was a 64,000+ acre "small" wild fire. Biggest ifre I ever fought was about 70 acres.

    I will admit to being a fat, lazy bastid - you can have those big wild fires.
    Sharkie, you keep 'em under 70(A)they're MUCH easier to control. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    When we visitied Montana last year we drove through Wyoming. Between Cody, Wyoming and Yellowstone there was a 64,000+ acre "small" wild fire. Biggest ifre I ever fought was about 70 acres.

    I will admit to being a fat, lazy bastid - you can have those big wild fires.
    Yep humping Indian packs, shovels, grub hoes and axes through brush and windfalls takes all the romance out of firefighting real quick. Some of those guys do it for weeks and catch some kip in a tent. Better men than me!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I'm not sure why you would think it was out of proportion considering the effect they have on your country and your economy. I have been in Asia during the Australia fires and in Europe during the fires in Greece and southern Spain. Both received a great deal of coverage. I would imagine in ND you have seen and been involved in some forest fires, Wildland or bush fires can be even worse due to the speed they travel.

    I guess when you have three Type 2 Teams in your home state, and have lost over 175,000 acres in three days ya got a little anoyed at hear that
    Cal has declared a state of Emergency through out the state, and called in
    Massive amounts of support for a 3,500 acre fire.

    However I understand it i have worked in the state, and from a wildland stand point, the idiots that build houses in the middle of chaparral Kinda make ya wonder. But that is not the worst fuel type out there or in that state for that matter. also That state is a Interface nightmare, simplest way to put it.

    The economy that's a touchy subject, to this day There are still contractors that have not been paid for the 2007 season. That a fun fact to add into the Feelings for California equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Sharkie, you keep 'em under 70(A)they're MUCH easier to control. T.C.
    Great philosophy, not always possible. The perfect number is 35 that way you don't have to do 100% mop-up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    Great philosophy, not always possible. The perfect number is 35 that way you don't have to do 100% mop-up

    We have to do 100% mop up here, no matter the size.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    Great philosophy, not always possible. The perfect number is 35 that way you don't have to do 100% mop-up
    Agreed! However,my statement still stands. And we're like Harve, they get THOROUGHLY mopped up,period. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Agreed! However,my statement still stands. And we're like Harve, they get THOROUGHLY mopped up,period. T.C.
    Not sure just what you and Harve mean by mopped up. Here, any wildfire anywhere near residences is mopped up and observed for several days after the fire. In the wild, the perimeter will be kept under observation and there will be fly overs by the heli tac guys, but smoulders and smoke are allowed to burn out as there is no appreciable fuel left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    We have to do 100% mop up here, no matter the size.........
    Dam! if its under 35 we have to grid it out, and cold trail it until there is No smokes or heat. Bigger we go 2-3 chains in and get any big smokes.
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    Bryan,we don't have many fires over 10 acres. We don't LIKE big interface fires. We thoroughly go over the area with TI's and Heat guns,digging out any hotspots or snags. Oh, occasionally we'll get a 100+ acre job but they are RARE. Same overhaul applies.Patrols are maintained until we're sure it's out. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Bryan,we don't have many fires over 10 acres. We don't LIKE big interface fires. We thoroughly go over the area with TI's and Heat guns,digging out any hotspots or snags. Oh, occasionally we'll get a 100+ acre job but they are RARE. Same overhaul applies.Patrols are maintained until we're sure it's out. T.C.
    Yeah I kind of figured something like that.Spring here can be a real SOB. Not really forest fires, just grassland, brush etc but can be over a pretty big area. On those we do a complete mop up as they are usually in close proximity to buildings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Bryan,we don't have many fires over 10 acres. We don't LIKE big interface fires. We thoroughly go over the area with TI's and Heat guns,digging out any hotspots or snags. Oh, occasionally we'll get a 100+ acre job but they are RARE. Same overhaul applies.Patrols are maintained until we're sure it's out. T.C.

    Same Here, Only real difference between our areas is that my Winters are milder. Our real work begins when we get well into a Very Dry period. Climate swings back and forth from wet to dry and back again usually last a month or two, But we've had times where we'd be a Foot below normal Rainfall for a Summer season, and Fire under those conditions dig in very deep in the Peat, Roots, etc. In turn, Mop Up becomes a "Construction Job" with Heavy Equipment working for days......
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