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    The real inconvenient truth The whole world needs to adopt China's one-child policy

    Diane Francis, Financial Post Published: Tuesday, December 08, 2009

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    Ironically, China, despite its dirty coal plants, is the world's leader in terms of fashioning policy to combat environmental degradation, thanks to its one-child-only edict.

    The "inconvenient truth" overhanging the UN's Copenhagen conference is not that the climate is warming or cooling, but that humans are overpopulating the world.

    A planetary law, such as China's one-child policy, is the only way to reverse the disastrous global birthrate currently, which is one million births every four days.

    The world's other species, vegetation, resources, oceans, arable land, water supplies and atmosphere are being destroyed and pushed out of existence as a result of humanity's soaring reproduction rate.

    Ironically, China, despite its dirty coal plants, is the world's leader in terms of fashioning policy to combat environmental degradation, thanks to its one-child-only edict.

    The intelligence behind this is the following:

    -If only one child per female was born as of now, the world's population would drop from its current 6.5 billion to 5.5 billion by 2050, according to a study done for scientific academy Vienna Institute of Demography.

    -By 2075, there would be 3.43 billion humans on the planet. This would have immediate positive effects on the world's forests, other species, the oceans, atmospheric quality and living standards.

    -Doing nothing, by contrast, will result in an unsustainable population of nine billion by 2050.

    Humans are the only rational animals but have yet to prove it. Medical and other scientific advances have benefited by delivering lower infant mortality rates as well as longevity. Both are welcome, but humankind has not yet recalibrated its behavior to account for the fact that the world can only accommodate so many people, especially if billions get indoor plumbing and cars.

    The fix is simple. It's dramatic. And yet the world's leaders don't even have this on their agenda in Copenhagen. Instead there will be photo ops, posturing, optics, blah-blah-blah about climate science and climate fraud, announcements of giant wind farms, then cap-and-trade subsidies.

    None will work unless a China one-child policy is imposed. Unfortunately, there are powerful opponents. Leaders of the world's big fundamentalist religions preach in favor of procreation and fiercely oppose birth control. And most political leaders in emerging economies perpetuate a disastrous Catch-22: Many children (i. e. sons) stave off hardship in the absence of a social safety net or economic development, which, in turn, prevents protections or development.

    China has proven that birth restriction is smart policy. Its middle class grows, all its citizens have housing, health care, education and food, and the one out of five human beings who live there are not overpopulating the planet.

    For those who balk at the notion that governments should control family sizes, just wait until the growing human population turns twice as much pastureland into desert as is now the case, or when the Amazon is gone, the elephants disappear for good and wars erupt over water, scarce resources and spatial needs.

    The point is that Copenhagen's talking points are beside the point.

    The only fix is if all countries drastically reduce their populations, clean up their messes and impose mandatory conservation measures.

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    Somebody writes something stupid in a Canadian Newspaper. God I'm glad the mouth from the South pointed that out. Lord knows theres no chance of that happening south of the medicine line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    Exactly where is Canada or the US mentioned in this article?
    It IS an editorial in a Candian newspaper, right? Who wrote it? Someone from Beijing?

    I would venture to guess that an overwhelming and staggering number of Americans would find this editorial and the poicy it advocates as completely rpugnant and an indication of moral bankruptcy.

    Show me an outcry against it up there and I will rescind my comments. Silence is acceptance.
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    Just read the comments .... rescind away.


    •draketg, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    That this Malthusian junk science is still proposed from time to time speaks of the fact that some in academia just refuse to learn from empirical evidence. And now it's slipped into journalism. The management of the Financial Post should be quite embarrassed. I'll just stick to the WSJ and not bother coming back here again. An editorial board that thinks that this is worthy of publication couldn't possibly know how to edit a newspaper / website.

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    •J.Spicer, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Well hey i know what you can do, you can personally take the newborn second children from the mothers and take them home and cook and eat them. you are an idiot and i cannot even believe you are given space to write with so many people out there that are reasonably intelligent folks that could something that was actually feasible. As another has pointed out, why not start with the middle east and tell them how many kids they can have.

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    •Sabot, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Trees died to bring us this tripe?

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    •knitandknot, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    You make me ashamed of living in Canada. If you're a first-born, it's too bad your mother had you and if you're not, she should have started with you. You are a heartless, dirty woman and shame on you. Ask the Chinese people who fled their country and came to Canada and the U.S. exactly why they're here. Hang your head in shame.

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    •lou96, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    good in theory but will never work. The counties with the highest fertility rates are in non western countries. If you asked them to limit to one child there would be a holy war against the west and you would be called a racist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...fertility_rate

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    •Netboyrick, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Good luck convincing the Muslim population to follow this policy. They are currently out birthing the West by 4 to 1. Western Europe will be an Islamic continent within 50 years at that rate.

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    •MJScott, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Of the twenty comments received so far, three or four (one is hinted) have openly recommended that you take your life. I am confident you will call these comments "hate speech" or some other nasty epithet. I am equally confident you will completely miss the point - that your own suggested policy is itself a form of "hate speech," one which devolves into murder every time its been implemented. I really can't decide if you actually are evil or simply ignorant - nor can I see much difference.

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    •MJScott, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Of the twenty comments received so far, three or four (one is hinted) have openly recommended that you take your life. I am confident you will call these comments "hate speech" or some other nasty epithet. I am equally confident you will completely miss the point - that your own suggested policy is itself a form of "hate speech," one which devolves into murder every time its been implemented. I really can't decide if you actually are evil or simply ignorant - nor can I see much difference.

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    •totuus, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    And so one must wonder, what kind of journalism does this article or "column" represent? Which of her children would Diane Francis give up in order to live up to her death rhetoric? One might also ask, what kind of a self-professed do-gooder wants to have power over others in order to "help" them? Who, after all, are these elites who keep telling us that we need to be better controlled, "for our own good, you see"?

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    •totuus, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    According to the CIA World Factbook, China has a fertility rate of 1.7 per woman, which is much higher than that of Germany and many other European countries, and similar to fertility rates in the West in general. China isn't dabbling with population reduction to protect the environment. China is doing so because China is communist and communist elites want total control over their tax herds so as to keep themselves and their friends and cousins perpetually and comfortably in power.

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    •JOE 888, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    The birth rate in all western countries is below replacement level. In poor countries people have large families because of high infant mortality. also because there are no pensions etc. they rely on their children in their old age. If these countries rise above the poverty level, they will have smaller families like here in the west. You could build a modern city the size of texas and fit everyone on the planet in it. http://www.youtube.com/colinpri1#p/u/2/vZVOU5bfHrM

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    •Abitibibob, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Why stop there? Why don't we get rid of the elderly who are cluttering up our retirement homes and costing a fortune in medical expenses as well? Throw in the handicapped and we'll really have an impact on the population and improve the economy. You know, survival of the fittest. Oh, right, Hitler already tried that, and, silly us, we condemned him for it. You really don't mind killing millions of children to combat so-called global warming, Diane?

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    •Smilinjack, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    This is ****ing insane!

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    •brycom52, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    China is reaping the results of the Law of Unintended Consequences.. The China One Child policy has resulted in an entire generation of men who have no one to marry. Why? Because Chinese rice farmers prize males to work the fields and factories.. What happens to the girls? Aborted, or left by the side of the road to be thrown in filthy, overcrowded orphanages. One hundred and fifty MILLION forced abortions a year? Diane, you need to lay off the Kool-Aid!

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    •Marshall68, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Let's not forget all of the wonderful people who would have never been born had this policy been in place in the past. What kind of selfish body of people would even discuss this crazy idea. We need to start with them.

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    •Reeock, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Political leaders and so-called journalists (many of whom couldn't pass science class in school) whip up fear among us (who couldn't pass science class in school). Now look at the outrageous policies. This whole thing is an obvious hoax - a fraud. For those slow to catch on, Climategate should give you a clue. People with strong arguments don't have to manipulate data and silence their opposition. Wake up people. The world you'll live in won't be warm or under water. It will be controlled.

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    •Doctor Wolf , Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    The Really Real Inconvenient Truth is that despotism, such as is being advocated, in which the ends justifies any means, has only resulted in mysery and murder. Think of the other similar, magnanimously monikered social engineering marvels: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" - 30 Million, Stalin's "Collectivization" - 20 Million, Hitler's "Final Solution" - 6 Million. Shame on the editorial board for allowing and/or advocating this demonic demagoguery.

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    •rj1967, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Ms. Francis, the answer to you and others who whine that the planet is overpopulated I have a simple answer. Before you decide to tell everyone else how they should live start with yourself. Kill yourself. That's one less person to overpopulate the planet. How in a free society do you tell people how large their family can be? Oh wait that's right you don't believe in a truly free society. You believe in a society where a bunch of socialist elites tell the rest of us how to live.

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    •DannyDaily, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    "China has proven that birth restriction is smart policy. Its middle class grows, all its citizens have housing, health care, education and food, and the one out of five human beings who live there are not overpopulating the planet." What kind of moron are you? All China has managed to do is kill it's female population and has no one to support it's aging population, idiot! But not to worry, here in the US, you could probably be elected president!

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    •levy1223, Friday, Dec 11, 2009

    Ms. Francis wood have made a good nazi. This is the same way the nazis began. Frist one child policy. Then euiasia for the old and sick. Then the Master race. All in the name of saving the world. On junk data. Just read the email hack into. It show false data and threat to beat up people who disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    It IS an editorial in a Candian newspaper, right? Who wrote it? Someone from Beijing?

    I would venture to guess that an overwhelming and staggering number of Americans would find this editorial and the poicy it advocates as completely rpugnant and an indication of moral bankruptcy.

    Show me an outcry against it up there and I will rescind my comments. Silence is acceptance.
    Did you read the comments? Here is a sampling that sounds like an outcry to me:
    You make me ashamed of living in Canada. If you're a first-born, it's too bad your mother had you and if you're not, she should have started with you. You are a heartless, dirty woman and shame on you. Ask the Chinese people who fled their country and came to Canada and the U.S. exactly why they're here. Hang your head in shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    It IS an editorial in a Candian newspaper, right? Who wrote it? Someone from Beijing?

    I would venture to guess that an overwhelming and staggering number of Americans would find this editorial and the poicy it advocates as completely rpugnant and an indication of moral bankruptcy.

    Show me an outcry against it up there and I will rescind my comments. Silence is acceptance.
    What I see is its not much different than Fox News or NBC or ABC writing something about China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firetacoma1 View Post
    Did you read the comments? Here is a sampling that sounds like an outcry to me:
    You make me ashamed of living in Canada. If you're a first-born, it's too bad your mother had you and if you're not, she should have started with you. You are a heartless, dirty woman and shame on you. Ask the Chinese people who fled their country and came to Canada and the U.S. exactly why they're here. Hang your head in shame.
    I saw that, and delegated it as a single comment that did not appear to have any relevance to the remaining comments. I took it as the guy who goes to a horse jumping show and then complains because he was expecting to be betting on the dog races.
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    OK. That's an outcry.

    The US and Canada are exactly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    What I see is its not much different than Fox News or NBC or ABC writing something about China.
    That statement makes no sense at all.

    An editorial in a Canadian newspaper calling for the Canadian government to do something is the same as an American news outlet writing an article about China?

    You're not firing on all cylinders today.
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    Just for clarification, I, like most Americans, oppose liberalism, socialism and totalitarianism no matter where it is. This example just happened to be in Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Just for clarification, I, like most Americans, oppose liberalism, socialism and totalitarianism no matter where it is. This example just happened to be in Canada.
    Yeah! End socialism, privatize fire protection now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    That statement makes no sense at all.

    An editorial in a Canadian newspaper calling for the Canadian government to do something is the same as an American news outlet writing an article about China?

    You're not firing on all cylinders today.

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    Last i heard, from people who are better at math than me .... every single person in the world could be put in to Texas. Not like shoulder to shoulder either ... "The average American house in the 1940s had an area of 1200 square feet".
    Well that means individually each person could have almost a house worth of
    space to live in. "

    Now we know that it takes more than that to sustain life but if we were really over populated ...... they wouldn't all fit into on single state would they ?

    PS if you want population control ... why dont we start a few wars. Help the economy and kill people off.

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    I'm actually one in favor for something like China's policy.
    We ARE over poplulating, and at an alarming rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    I'm actually one in favor for something like China's policy.
    We ARE over poplulating, and at an alarming rate.
    Actually, the rate is falling: from 5.32 in 1960 to 2.51 in 2007
    Fertility rate

    Also, as one of the comments to the article points out, China's policy does not give it drastically lower fertility rates then other countries. Canada, and most of Europe has a lower rate:Fertility rate, total (births per woman)

    Most of the "Western" or "First-World" nations have a break-even or declining fertility rate (< 2). The problem is most developing counties are in the 5-6 range
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    What are the numbers? Average North American family size:

    2.5 kids per unit?

    or something like that.
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    Actually the editorial is spot on when it comes to CO2 emissions. The only way to curb them substantially is to reduce the population. Having said that I do not support population controls at all. The earth will take care of that all by itself. It will get to a point where it can no longer sustain the amount of life it needs to, when that happens there will be automatic population control. Having said that I'm sure it won't happen in my life time or the next 500 years. Of course one has to also realize that based on Al Gores graphs of CO2 and Temperature that the earth is about to go into another ice age, that alone will reduce the population as less of the earth will be habitable.

    This whole nonsense about CO2 needs to fade away just like all the other environmental myths abuot gloom, doom, and disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firetacoma1 View Post
    Yeah! End socialism, privatize fire protection now!
    Excellent IDEA!!!!! Let government get back to its core function, governing. Outsource those things that are not within you core mission statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    That statement makes no sense at all.

    An editorial in a Canadian newspaper calling for the Canadian government to do something is the same as an American news outlet writing an article about China?

    You're not firing on all cylinders today.
    Neither are you apparently. It was an editorial in a Canadian newspaper saying that the whole world, not just the Canadian government, should do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Excellent IDEA!!!!! Let government get back to its core function, governing. Outsource those things that are not within you core mission statement.
    I won't speak for the good citizens of NY. In CA, the state constitution expressly states the first priority of government is public safety.

    Sad to hear it is different where you live.
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    My Uncle left Texas in 1980 and moved to British Columbia. We maintained good communications for many years until he passed away in 2002. I asked him numerous times why he moved to BC, but he never gave me a solid answer.

    Once I told him that in my opinion the US and Canada had nothing in common.

    He refuted that as quick as I completed the statement.

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    If we need to control the world's population, how about we first get the US back in the Plus column where we are actually Breeding more Citizens than attracting illegals and transplants.

    The emerging countires will never agree to population or true emission controls, but will insist on punishing the US for a perceived notion that we are the problem. It is part of that social reasoning that 'we' should have everything 'you' have.... so give it to us.

    Since we provide so much money to keep the UN and many of these countries in the black, perhaps we should change the way the votes are counted. One Dollar = 1 vote. It would give a whole new meaning to puppet governments. It might force alot of them to fund their own infrastructure, military and industry, and we could keep some of that money in our own pockets.

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    You all are missing the point.

    What we really need is population control of stupid people. We need to put lifeguards back on duty at the gene pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    You all are missing the point.

    What we really need is population control of stupid people. We need to put lifeguards back on duty at the gene pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I won't speak for the good citizens of NY. In CA, the state constitution expressly states the first priority of government is public safety.

    Sad to hear it is different where you live.
    You mean the state that is leading the country in bank closures, foreclosures, unemployment and has the biggest budget problem.

    You might want to reread your constitution as well, its over here http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_1

    SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have
    inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and
    liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing
    and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
    Looks like there is more on the list than just safety. So what happens when the cost of this safety infringes upon my right to enjoy life and acquire and posses property?

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