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    HEY, those face are familiar!
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    Isn't the rescue supposed to be parked in front of the structure? That's the way it seems to be where I work...

    Hey VinnieB or FFFRED are either of you in one of those shots?

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    Why isn't someone spotting that guy coming down the fire escape ladder?

    I like how the cop is in the way and has to retreat ffrom the smoke.
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    Is that what's known as a Brownstone?
    Balloon frame construction?
    Multiple residents?
    Would I be far off if I guessed it is heated with oil?

    Nice building.
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    Yes, its a Brownstone. CORRECTION; ITS AN OLD LAW TENEMENT....oops The basement is a restaurant; like most of the brownstones on that block. The heating is a mix...some oil some gas...depends on the owners. You are right though...that block has some of the best looking Brownstones in the city. So nice that Led Zeppelin used the cover pic for the album; Houses of the Holy....(oddly enough while on the hunt for some of the best heroin in the world, which happened to be sold there in the 70s and 80s). They are not ballon frame construction. They are very solid buildings that were used as SFDs back when they where built....rich people owned them....and even today if you can find one that hasn't been subdivided you are lucky....they yield MILLIONS of $$$$$$$$$$$$$!

    TNFF319: No need....the members are performing much more important duties. Had the fire escape been overloaded you can be sure ladders would be thrown. That guy calmly descended the drop ladder.

    lexfd5: 10-2 the rescue.....; ) No I didn't catch that job. I worked the tour before. I did catch the one the next block up last week though....but no pics of story for that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post

    TNFF319: No need....the members are performing much more important duties. Had the fire escape been overloaded you can be sure ladders would be thrown. That guy calmly descended the drop ladder.
    Ok, I was just wondering. I know some places help people down the ladder, even if they can do it alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    So nice that Led Zeppelin used the cover pic for the album; Houses of the Holy....
    Vinnie the album was 1975's double album Physical Graffiti which featured some familiar tunes such as Custard Pie, In My Time of Dying, The Rover and of course the ubiquitous Kashmir (one of my favorites). Alot of people assume the album was Houses of the Holy as that is track 1 side 2 of Graffiti not '73's H o H.


    As for the job was it in the basement/restaurant?

    Also which Battalion is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFPCogs08 View Post
    Vinnie the album was 1975's double album Physical Graffiti which featured some familiar tunes such as Custard Pie, In My Time of Dying, The Rover and of course the ubiquitous Kashmir (one of my favorites). Alot of people assume the album was Houses of the Holy as that is track 1 side 2 of Graffiti not '73's H o H.
    Touche sir! You know your Mighty Zep!


    As for the job was it in the basement/restaurant?
    From what the members in the house said...if I recall correctly, The fire was in the restaurant and got up into duct work.

    Brownstones are unique buildings. What most people call the 1st floor is know as the Parlor Floor....its the floor that is accessed from the stoop. The basement is know as the 1st floor...and they have cellars. The basement or first floor is usually only a hand full of steps below grade and today they are used as stores or restaurants.

    This is our book on brownstone, or a better understanding. I do think some content has changed, but you'll get the jist.

    Also which Battalion is that?
    BN 6
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    FFFred, in talking about the fire I know you guys know those buildings better than anyone so what I have is questions more than anything else.
    1. Roof Access , when the fire is in the basement is there a common stairwell that Roof Ventilation is warranted or is it strictly for Recon and checking for extension from the Ductwork?

    2. with the construction being what is was in the day do you find alot of these buildings with compromised Exterior wals making Exposure issues worse? In other words are Subpar Contractors making essentially Block long Brownstones or are they pretty much a "solid" structure.
    3. Are there below grade common areas?

    I guess I have more questions but will stop there.

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    OOPS....I forgot to post the book....sorry here it is.

    http://sageauthoring.com/fdny/construction/bs&rf01.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    OOPS....I forgot to post the book....sorry here it is.

    http://sageauthoring.com/fdny/construction/bs&rf01.pdf
    Thanks for the link Vinnie,

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFPCogs08 View Post
    Thanks for the link Vinnie,

    Have a friend that was Bat 7 but he retired a couple of years ago.

    Stay Safe
    You're welcome...BUT I gave your the wrong info. The building is an OLD Law tenement.....you'll find that book in the link too though.

    When I pass by there tomorrow, I'll double check...but I do think that I got the building type wrong....I'll let you know.

    Thanks FFRED.
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    Past there today. The building is a Brownstone type; Old Law Tenement. I should have know because of the fire escape in the front. I stand corrected.

    I got this mixed up with another fire from last week that was the next block up...which happened to be a converted Brownstone.
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    Just to jump in....I know this was a thread to post tactics discussion and such, but I'll be honest. I have no experience with a building of that type....so I'm keeping quiet.

    Just don't want you to think this is being ignored...


    Couldn't roof access be obtained by using the buildings on either side?

    Other than that...send a line downstairs and put it out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Just to jump in....I know this was a thread to post tactics discussion and such, but I'll be honest. I have no experience with a building of that type....so I'm keeping quiet.

    Just don't want you to think this is being ignored...


    Couldn't roof access be obtained by using the buildings on either side?

    Other than that...send a line downstairs and put it out?
    Im not too familiar with the buildings in this area, Vinnie would know better than me....but our first choice for roof access is almost always the adjoing building or a different wing of the building, if feasible. If this was a brownstone though, the adjoining bldg might only have scuttle hatch access to the roof, which we dont take.
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