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    i know it is early but i am working on my 2010 afg grant and was wondering the cap on brush trucks?
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    double post.
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    How about we just see a cap on everything we know--cover all of the bases while we are at it. PPE, SCBA, Tenders, Engines, TICs, etc...

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    Quick attack/Brush truck is $125,000

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    thx all for the replies

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    I thought I saw in the reductions post a quick attack/brush truck was reduced to $130,000 for 2009. I had increased 10% above the 125,000 to ask for $137,500 for the same and hoped to see a reduction.

    Nothing as yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elk1544 View Post
    thx all for the replies
    You received an SCG grant? Lucky!!!

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    no scg for us got a rural development grant/loan combo as well as some money from state rep for a new station

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    You got a rural devlopment grant loan combo and money from your state rep as well !!!!!!

    Lucky! Lucky!

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    yea spent five years on that thus fas but it looks like it is going to finally pay off. we might have heat next winter yeah. and you were right went back and checked brush/quick attack on one of brians went to 135'000

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    I'm guessing the 125K was truck only. Can you ask for equipment at the same time or is that pushing it, I included it on my app. based on the fact if we can't afford the truck how am I supposed to afford equipping it?

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    One of BC79er's Quick Attack/Brush Truck/Mini Pumper (mini pumper is the drop down used) was for 140,000. In 2008 we received a grant for it. Exact wording Brian used in the narrative was "This apparatus will consist of a diesel engine, 4x4 chassis, 4 doors, automatic transmission, 300 gallon water supply and a single line C.A.F.S. system, with a rescue style body." We ended up spending 163,000 and change to equip it and some extras we didn't plan for. No reduction from the 140,000. No equipment on the grant, just the truck as listed above. So FEMA gave us 133,000 our match of 7,000 then the extra of our money was 23,000 and change.

    For this year, 2009, I can share these reductions on rescue equipment:
    Asked for a total of 77,000 and was reduced to 71,600 thru these reductions:

    asked for 5500 reduced to 5000 for cutter
    asked for 6500 reduced to 5100 for combi tool
    asked for 9500 reduced to 7500 for 3 tool electric power unit
    asked for 8000 reduced to 6500 for 2 tool portable gas power unit
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    If there are any PPE reduction amounts or amounts allowed for gear, SCBA, gear washer/extractor, water rescue gear....any PPE at all....fortunately, but unfortunately due to an influx of members over the last year i need to write another PPE grant to add to my 18 sets we received in 2007. Need to add 12 sets and at the time didn't know u could write for the extras like washer, etc.

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    i know scba's are$5250 with extra bottle i do not know on the rest. in the app is there a place for just brush or just mini pumper? if it is a mini pumper does that fall under pumper for age of fleet? just wondering we got a truck in 06 that puts our average at 22 years

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    I had pagers reduced to $450 each for 2009, but still no 1199a yet. No reductions in 2008 for LDH, airbags, & training manikins. In 2007 we had boots reduced to $250 and helmets to $200. All of our other PPE must have been under the FEMA max, as they left it alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyMan29 View Post
    If there are any PPE reduction amounts or amounts allowed for gear, SCBA, gear washer/extractor, water rescue gear....any PPE at all....fortunately, but unfortunately due to an influx of members over the last year i need to write another PPE grant to add to my 18 sets we received in 2007. Need to add 12 sets and at the time didn't know u could write for the extras like washer, etc.
    MoneyMan,

    Here is what I have seen this year on PPE

    Helmets - $200
    Coats - $900
    Pants - $800
    Boots - $300
    Hoods - $40
    Gloves - $55


    Just curious about your extrication request. How many extrications are you running per year? Debating about extrication project for 2010 or RIT program. Did a few of the RIT programs and they seem to be very successful, plus our numbers on extrication aren't very strong. Would be interested to read the narrative on the extrication items though if you are willing to share.

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    We run an avg. of 25 vehicle accidents per year. Just so you know we don't currently run extrication, we have a mutual aid dept. do this for us. So part of my justification is the golden hour of life and the time wasted waiting for mutual aid.

    RIT vs Extrication - Last year we did RIT and was awarded 46,000 n change...it was everything i could think of that we would need just for RIT...so its not a big money grant..I was more concerned for my members and mutual aid members life safety than getting new extrication equipment. At the time there was a plan in place for extrication. It worked, not the best but, worked. But once RIT was awarded our next need was extrication.

    As far as sharing the narrative, I would have to get permission from the dept. cause ultimately its theirs. So ill let u know on that one.

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    That's about where we are at with extrications as well. Probably actually even a little less. Of course right now we at least have a combi tool, but it is well over 10 years old at this point. The hydraulic lines are starting to bubble and fail. I still think RIT is the greater need just as you expressed. I did two RIT projects this year for other departments and they both came in right around $39-$40K and that was with $10K in there for training.

    What all did you put in there for RIT? The projects I did was firefighter locater systems, search rope, boxlights, RIT bag, TIC, and training. I think when I do ours this year I am also going to put in radios for the RIT group, because right now we have enough radios for each officer and maybe 6 other firefighters. This means that the RIT never has radios. Trying to think what else I am missing that would make this project a complete "package."

    Don't worry about the narrative. Like I said, I think 2010 is going to be RIT anyway, so will cross the extrication bridge when I get to it.

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    Seams like everyone is gearing up for 2010 so might as well join in. Has anyone had any luck with a mobile Training trailer. One with a burn room, maze and what not all in one? Any price caps and do they award them often?

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    I did justification of 2 of everything pretty much since the importance is fire fighter safety but heres the list i got:

    Grant was for $44,600
    We spent $44,657

    2 Stretchers, Backboards, Splints, etc. - $500.00 each, $1,000.00 total, RIT RIT-ERB EXTRICATION/RESCUE BLANKET
    Budget 500 each 1000 total 0 excess

    2 Powered/Mechanical Extrication Tools/Equipment - $3,899.00 each, $7,798.00 total, FIRE HOOK 8-M28 THE EIGHT MAUL, FIRE HOOK HYDRA RAM-1, FIRE HOOK FIRE MAXX TOOLS, FIRE HOOK GRIFF HOOKS 36" W/CARRYING STRAP, FIRE HOOK GATOR BACK HOOK 32" W/D HANDLE, FIRE HOOK 18" NON CONDUCTIVE BOLT CUTTERS, FIRE HOOK BARRACUDA SAWS 28", FIRE HOOK FARRMAXX TOOLS, FIRE HOOK UNLIMITED PADLOCK BREAKER, FIRE HOOK SLEDGE HAMMERS 16" FIBERGLASS HANDLE, FIRE HOOK FIDNEY TOOL BELTS W/FIRE VULCAN LIGHTS, FIRE HOOK COLLAPSABLE RESCUE SHOVEL, FIRE HOOK DT-3 DYNAMIC TRIO: FORCE AXE; HOLLIGAN BAR; MARRYING STRAP, K-TOOLS COMPLETE, MORNING PRIDE 9001KV SPECIAL OPERATIONS RECOVERY DRAG: {SORD} W/CARRYING POUCH, FIRE HOOK DWHS-4' W/DRY WALL HOOK 4' W/D HANDLE; FIBERGLASS, FIRE HOOK RTK R-TOOL, FIRE HOOK CROW BAR 51" (1 PINCH POINT, 1 WEDGE POINT)
    Budget 5100 each 10200 total 2402 excess

    2 Stretchers, Backboards, Splints, etc. - $500.00 each, $1,000.00 total, R & B EP-506 SPIDER STRAPS, RESCUE TECH 620115 PLASTIC STRETCHERS
    Budget 500 each 1000 total 0 excess

    2 Ropes, Harnesses, Carabiners, Pulleys, etc. - $4,112.00 each, $8,224.00 total, GEMTOR #541 CLASS II HARNESS, R & B CYLINDER WRAP, RIT RK-ST200RSL, RIT GSK-CH100RSL, RIT GSK-CH200RSL, HP-100 HI-POINT ANCHOR SYSTEM
    Budget 4200 each 8400 total 176 excess

    2 RIT Packs - $2,895.00 each, $5,790.00 total, SCOTT RIT-PAK ASSEMBLY, (HM) CYL & VALVE CARBON 60, SCOTT EZFLO REGULATORS
    Budget 3000 each 6000 total 210 excess

    2 Power Saws - $1,925.00 each, $3,850.00 total, FIRE HOOK K12FD-PKG RESCUE SAWS, FIRE HOOK ULTIMATE DIAMOND BLADES, FIRE HOOK CONCRETE BLADES, FIRE HOOK CARBIDE BLADES
    Budget 2500 each 5000 total 1150 excess

    1 Thermal Imaging Devices - $10,000.00 each, $10,000.00 total, ELITE K-1000 THERMAL IMAGING CAMERA, CARRYING CASE, TWO(2) 3 HOUR BATTERIES, RETRACTABLE LANYARD, 110 VOLT CHARGING RACK, DIGITAL FRAME CAPTURE
    Budget was 10000 each 10000 total 0 excess

    5 Portable Radios - $544.00 each, $2,720.00 total, TK3180 UHF PORTABLES WITH RAPID CHARGER, UHF ANTENNA, SPEAKER MIKES
    Budget was 600 each 3000 total 280 excess



    From here down is excess funds in the amount of $4,275.00

    2 Power Saws - $25.00 each, $50.00 total, FIRE HOOK CONCRETE BLADES

    4 Power Saws - $150.00 each, $600.00 total, FIRE HOOK CARBIDE TIP BLADES

    2 Other Basic Equipment (explain) - Staging mats - $100.00 each, $200.00 total, STAGING MAT (OPTION 1) RED RIT

    1 Other Basic Equipment (explain) - Blade bags and scba staging mat - $264.00 each, $264.00 total, SCBA STAGING MAT, ALL HANDS SAW BLADE BAG SIZE SMALL PADDED BOTTOM FOR ALL HANDS SAW BLADE BAG, ALL HANDS SAW BLADE BAG SIZE MEDIUM COLOR BLACK PADDED BOTTOM FOR ALL HANDS SAW BLADE BAG, ALL HANDS SAW BLADE BAG SIZE LARGE COLOR BLACK PADDED BOTTOM FOR ALL HANDS SAW BLADE BAG, SHIPPING AND HANDLING CHARGE

    2 Other Basic Equipment (explain) - Rescue pack - $89.00 each, $178.00 total, RES-Q-PAK

    2 Backboards - $162.00 each, $324.00 total, RESCUE TECH #620211 YELLOW BACKBOARDS W/SPEED CLIP PINS

    6 Other EMS (explain) - Speed clips - $29.00 each, $174.00 total, RESCUE TECH #620231 SPEED CLIPS

    1 Other Basic Equipment (explain) - RIT bag - $155.00 each, $155.00 R & B 887RD RIT BAG

    1 Other Basic Equipment (explain) - Door wedges, helmet bands, cylinder wraps - $273.00 each, $273.00 total, 8 R & B SAC-DW-YL LARGE DOOR WEDGES: YELLOW, 10 STREAMLIGHT RUBBER HELMET BANDS, 40 R & B DOOR WEDGES/SPRINKLER STOPS: ORANGE, 2 R & B CL-CW-88-30 CYLINDER WRAP: RIT

    2 Ropes, Harnesses, Carabiners, Pulleys, etc. - $145.00 each, $290.00 total, GEMTOR #541 R CLASS II HARNESS

    2 Hand Tools - $125.00 each, $250.00 total, FIRE HOOK FIDNEY TOOL BELTS W/FIRE VULCAN FLASHLIGHT: ORANGE

    1 Monitoring and Sampling Devices - $1,130.00 each, $1,130.00 total, SCOTT STEALTH, SCOUT 4 GAS, 02, LEL, H2S & CO2 W/CASE, ALKALINE BATTERY, PUMP, PROBE, TUBING - CALIBRATION KIT

    3 Pagers - $129.00 each, $387.00 total, ADVISOR II PAGER

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