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    Default Sen. Nelson revealed as a Prostitute

    All he did was reveal his price.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...900797_pf.html

    This is the most telling and frightening part of the bill as posted.

    Congressional budget analysts said the revised package, unveiled Saturday morning by Reid, would spend $871 billion over the next decade to extend coverage to more than 30 million Americans by dramatically expanding Medicaid and offering federal subsidies to those who lack affordable coverage through employers.

    Those costs would be more than covered by nearly $400 billion over the next decade in new taxes and nearly $500 billion spending reductions, primarily cuts to Medicare, the federal health program for people over 65.


    We'll see what happens in the reconciliation process, but I am certain it will get worse.

    At least this guarantees a GOP win in the 2010 midterms. It also helps fulfill my prediction: One term. That's it.
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    I think him holding out on abortion was just showmanship. It will take a liberal federal judge 2 seconds to add it in when considering the "mental health" of the mother who wants an abortion. They all need to go .. as drudge report says .. they own it ... there will be NO backing away from this vote come next election.

    I mean how can they defend voting for something they dont even know whats written in it?

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    2000 pages of GARBAGE!!! I hope that after they settle on a final Bill they take 30 days to read it before voting on it. To do otherwise is a dereliction of duty. In fact, if they do not read the bill I say we impeach everyone of the scumbags who doesn't read the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    I think him holding out on abortion was just showmanship. It will take a liberal federal judge 2 seconds to add it in when considering the "mental health" of the mother who wants an abortion. They all need to go .. as drudge report says .. they own it ... there will be NO backing away from this vote come next election.

    I mean how can they defend voting for something they dont even know whats written in it?
    It wouldn't be showmanship if it were based on principle. However, all it was was a part of his price negotiation as the crack whore he is.
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    So George.

    Who is the white knight that is going to take out a sitting president?
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    All he did was reveal his price.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...900797_pf.html

    This is the most telling and frightening part of the bill as posted.

    Congressional budget analysts said the revised package, unveiled Saturday morning by Reid, would spend $871 billion over the next decade to extend coverage to more than 30 million Americans by dramatically expanding Medicaid and offering federal subsidies to those who lack affordable coverage through employers.

    Those costs would be more than covered by nearly $400 billion over the next decade in new taxes and nearly $500 billion spending reductions, primarily cuts to Medicare, the federal health program for people over 65.


    We'll see what happens in the reconciliation process, but I am certain it will get worse.

    At least this guarantees a GOP win in the 2010 midterms. It also helps fulfill my prediction: One term. That's it.
    Might be quite interesting to see how Firehouse and the webteam deal with a slander suit.

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    We all knew this was going to happen.

    Lieberman was the first trick. Nelson was the second.

    Guess if ya stand on the corner long enough you'll get an offer ya can work with.

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    Angry Our Nelson???

    He's one of my states Senators and we all knew his holdout was just a policitcal ploy. He is the only representative to Washington from our state that is a Democrat. His main goal for when he runs for the office again is to claim he held out. As the only Democrat in the Senate who listened to the will of the people. Just not do the will of the people. This was all orchastrated before him being the final holdout anyway.

    We in Nebraska knew he would cave. He's gone along with every liberal agenda vote that the administration has wanted.

    There has been so many versions of this bill that no one knows exactly what is in it and why would they schedule a vote at 1:00am Monday morning. Why schedule a vote at 1:00am in the morning?

    The only reason why all of Obama's bills are being rushed through is because they are in conflict with our constitution and they know they will not retain a majority after 2010.

    Obama promised during his campaing that the nation would be able to view the bills being proposed for 5 days before they are voted on. When O When will the mainstream media quit whoring for this President?

    Frauds are being forced upon the nation to create one nation out of many. Globalism is the goal. Communist socialism is the ultimate outcome.

    This Healthcare Bill is going to cost us 2.5 trillion dollars. According to the CBO. and Reid himself. This bill could be the end of the USA as we know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So George.

    Who is the white knight that is going to take out a sitting president?
    Might not take much to do. Mr. Obama's approval ratings are sliding lower and lower, the national debt is getting larger and larger, he kow tows to more and more third world tin pot dictators, renegs on numerous campaign promises, spends money like a Republican congress, pushes for laws that an increasing majority of people do not support........Hell, it just might not take much to do it.

    And Bill Clinton was barely heard of outside of Arkansas in 1990.

    Add to this the growing resentment of congressmen by their constituencies and the mid-terms are going to make any and all agendas by President Obama much more difficult to pass. Another coup could occur if the press is right and Harry Reid gets kicked out of office in November. Both of his not-officially running Republican contenders are trouncing him in the polls.....November is going to be VERY interesting.

    Funny how Democrats lambasted Republicans for spending "like a drunken sailor" but have nothing to control their own spending, adding to the deficit, and incurring huge amounts of added national debt.........while saying that they would not do it. This is going to be fun.

    Remember, it is all George Bush's fault. That is all the Dems can say. No responsibility for passing 3 budgets while in "control" of both houses of Congress, one of which with a sitting Democrat President. When will the Dems take responsibility for their own failed leadership? Their own financial mismanagement? Their own refusal to follow the will of thier constituencies?

    Their stupidity might even make the joke of a Senate election here in the People's Republik more interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So George.

    Who is the white knight that is going to take out a sitting president?
    Don't know yet. Honest answer.

    EDIT: Not Sarah Palin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jam24u View Post
    He's one of my states Senators and we all knew his holdout was just a policitcal ploy. He is the only representative to Washington from our state that is a Democrat. His main goal for when he runs for the office again is to claim he held out. As the only Democrat in the Senate who listened to the will of the people. Just not do the will of the people. This was all orchastrated before him being the final holdout anyway.

    We in Nebraska knew he would cave. He's gone along with every liberal agenda vote that the administration has wanted.

    There has been so many versions of this bill that no one knows exactly what is in it and why would they schedule a vote at 1:00am Monday morning. Why schedule a vote at 1:00am in the morning?

    The only reason why all of Obama's bills are being rushed through is because they are in conflict with our constitution and they know they will not retain a majority after 2010.

    Obama promised during his campaing that the nation would be able to view the bills being proposed for 5 days before they are voted on. When O When will the mainstream media quit whoring for this President?

    Frauds are being forced upon the nation to create one nation out of many. Globalism is the goal. Communist socialism is the ultimate outcome.

    This Healthcare Bill is going to cost us 2.5 trillion dollars. According to the CBO. and Reid himself. This bill could be the end of the USA as we know it.
    Oh, he wasn't the only one. The stroll was begun by Mary Landrieu. then Lieberman, then Nelson. They all negotiated their price like a whore hanging in your car window.

    What will be interesting now will be to see how many other senators sit back and say, "You know. I was thinking. I'm not real comfortable with this health care bill. What'll you give me".

    I firmly believe that there is no such thing as principle in Congress. From day one, every action is a calculated effort to ensure their own re-election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Don't know yet. Honest answer.

    EDIT: Not Sarah Palin.
    At least she got one thing right Palin continues to blast climate change believers
    "Arrogant&Naive2say man overpwers nature," Palin tweeted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Might not take much to do. Mr. Obama's approval ratings are sliding lower and lower, the national debt is getting larger and larger, he kow tows to more and more third world tin pot dictators, renegs on numerous campaign promises, spends money like a Republican congress, pushes for laws that an increasing majority of people do not support........Hell, it just might not take much to do it.

    And Bill Clinton was barely heard of outside of Arkansas in 1990.

    Add to this the growing resentment of congressmen by their constituencies and the mid-terms are going to make any and all agendas by President Obama much more difficult to pass. Another coup could occur if the press is right and Harry Reid gets kicked out of office in November. Both of his not-officially running Republican contenders are trouncing him in the polls.....November is going to be VERY interesting.

    Funny how Democrats lambasted Republicans for spending "like a drunken sailor" but have nothing to control their own spending, adding to the deficit, and incurring huge amounts of added national debt.........while saying that they would not do it. This is going to be fun.

    Remember, it is all George Bush's fault. That is all the Dems can say. No responsibility for passing 3 budgets while in "control" of both houses of Congress, one of which with a sitting Democrat President. When will the Dems take responsibility for their own failed leadership? Their own financial mismanagement? Their own refusal to follow the will of thier constituencies?

    Their stupidity might even make the joke of a Senate election here in the People's Republik more interesting.
    Sir, you have hit on the exact reason there is such a hurry to pass an il-advised Health Care expansion act. Over 2,000 pages in length, I guarantee not one senator, congressman, or the President even know what is in it.

    I also find it interesting that in less than 1 year the debt went from $9 Trillion to $12 Trillion and the Lame Stream Media is completely silent. The debt was around $6 Trillion when Bush took office and it took them 8 Years to get to $9 Trillion. Obama has done more damage in one year than Bush did in 8 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Might not take much to do. Mr. Obama's approval ratings are sliding lower and lower, the national debt is getting larger and larger, he kow tows to more and more third world tin pot dictators, renegs on numerous campaign promises, spends money like a Republican congress, pushes for laws that an increasing majority of people do not support........Hell, it just might not take much to do it.
    Obama's approval ratings are about the same as Reagan's during the first year of his first term.

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    And Bill Clinton was barely heard of outside of Arkansas in 1990.
    See above. Clinton had to deal with a mild recession. Obama is dealing with the worst recession since the Great Depression.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Add to this the growing resentment of congressmen by their constituencies and the mid-terms are going to make any and all agendas by President Obama much more difficult to pass. Another coup could occur if the press is right and Harry Reid gets kicked out of office in November. Both of his not-officially running Republican contenders are trouncing him in the polls.....November is going to be VERY interesting.
    People may dislike congress. But they like their congressman. I expect the Dems to lose seats. I'll be suprised if they lost majorities in either house.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Funny how Democrats lambasted Republicans for spending "like a drunken sailor" but have nothing to control their own spending, adding to the deficit, and incurring huge amounts of added national debt.........while saying that they would not do it. This is going to be fun.
    The alternative was to let the economy tank and slide off a cliff. I guess in your little world, that was a better idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Remember, it is all George Bush's fault. That is all the Dems can say. No responsibility for passing 3 budgets while in "control" of both houses of Congress, one of which with a sitting Democrat President. When will the Dems take responsibility for their own failed leadership? Their own financial mismanagement? Their own refusal to follow the will of thier constituencies?
    How do you figure they aren't following the will of their constituencies? Obama is doing exactly what stated during his campaign.

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    Their stupidity might even make the joke of a Senate election here in the People's Republik more interesting.
    What does this mean? It makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Oh, he wasn't the only one. The stroll was begun by Mary Landrieu. then Lieberman, then Nelson. They all negotiated their price like a whore hanging in your car window.

    What will be interesting now will be to see how many other senators sit back and say, "You know. I was thinking. I'm not real comfortable with this health care bill. What'll you give me".

    I firmly believe that there is no such thing as principle in Congress. From day one, every action is a calculated effort to ensure their own re-election.
    Amazing how conservatives throw out the "W" word about politicos but got into a hissy fit when Alan Grayson described a couple of lobbyists in a similar manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Sir, you have hit on the exact reason there is such a hurry to pass an il-advised Health Care expansion act. Over 2,000 pages in length, I guarantee not one senator, congressman, or the President even know what is in it.
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    I also find it interesting that in less than 1 year the debt went from $9 Trillion to $12 Trillion and the Lame Stream Media is completely silent. The debt was around $6 Trillion when Bush took office and it took them 8 Years to get to $9 Trillion. Obama has done more damage in one year than Bush did in 8 years.
    I find it interesting you continue to show that you're an idiot.

    A Google search for "national debt since Obama took office" on CNN only yields about 11,000 hits.

    The market is recovering, unemployment claims are starting to level off. I know you're a fool, but neither of those happened because of some invisible hand guiding folks. It's happened because a certain fiscally conservative president had policies that blew about an $8T hole in the economy and it had to be partially filled before it went off a cliff.

    I know I'm wasting my time discussing money matters with you. You've proven yourself incapable of understanding a credit card agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I find it interesting you continue to show that you're an idiot.

    A Google search for "national debt since Obama took office" on CNN only yields about 11,000 hits.

    The market is recovering, unemployment claims are starting to level off. I know you're a fool, but neither of those happened because of some invisible hand guiding folks. It's happened because a certain fiscally conservative president had policies that blew about an $8T hole in the economy and it had to be partially filled before it went off a cliff.

    I know I'm wasting my time discussing money matters with you. You've proven yourself incapable of understanding a credit card agreement.
    OK, And when one looks at the most recent links we see a debt of $12 Trillion. Educate yourself then speak How Much Do We Owe?

    Our national debt is more than $12,100,159,001,585.34.

    That is how much the United States has borrowed, and how much we have to pay interest on. To put $12 trillion in perspective, our national debt is larger than the total economies of China, the United Kingdom, and Australia combined.


    The combined gross domestic products of China, the United Kingdom, and Australia, as estimated by the International Monetary Fund in 2008, are $10.89 trillion.


    And under current policies, our national debt will continue to grow by hundreds of billions every year.

    According to the Congressional Budget Office and the Office of Management and Budget, our national debt will grow an additional $9 trillion over the next decade, to more than $20 trillion.

    During that time, the United States will accumulate $2.5 billion in new debt each and every day. Thatís $1.72 million per minute, for the next ten years.

    Using the projected addition to national debt based on the August 2009 Mid-Session Review Budget of the U.S. Government, we find that the United States government will accumulate an average of approximately $905.1 billion of debt per year for the next ten years. [9,051,000,000,000 / 10 = 905,100,000,000 (per year)] That means that every day, the government will accumulate an average of $2,478,079,632.02 in additional debt. [905.1 billion / 365.2425 = $2,478,079,632.02 (approx. $2.5 billion per day)].

    Accordingly, more than $100 million of debt is being accumulated every hour. [$2,478,079,632.02 / (24 hours) = $103,253,318] And every minute, the U.S. government accumulates approximately $1.72 million in additional debt. [$103,253,318 / (60 minutes) = $1,720,888] That's $28,681.48 a second. [$1,720,888 / (60 seconds) = $28,681.48 per second]

    A Snapshot of our National Debt:

    The Treasury Department estimates that our debt to China is approximately $776.4 billion, having grown more than $240 billion in the last year. That is more than $10,000 in debt for the average American working family.

    According to the Department of the Treasury and Federal Reserve Board, China held $776,400,000,000 in Treasury securities as of June 2009. http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt The total estimated population of China was 1,338,612,968 in July 2009. The estimated population of the United States at that time was 307,212,123, according to the US Census Bureau. Therefore, Chinaís per-capita debt holdings to the United States is $580.00. [Total Securities Debt /Total Chinese Population = $580.00] Each Americanís share of that debt is $2,527.24. [Total Securities Debt / Total US Population = $2,527.24] This means that every American owes $580 to 4.36 people in China. [$2,527.24 / $580 = 4.36]. According to the 5th National Census taken in 2000, the average Chinese family size was 3.44 people. [Handbook of World Families, Edited by Bert N. Adams and Jan Trost, pg. 93]. This means that an average Chinese family of 3.44 people is owed about $1,995 USD. [3.44 people x $580 per person = $1995.2] The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the American civilian labor force was 154,504,000 in July of 2009. Each working Americanís share of that debt is $5,025.11. [Total Securities Debt / Total US work force = $ 5,025.11].


    Over the course of the next decade, the government will borrow approximately $1.72 million every minute. Thatís the equivalent of 5,733 flat screen HDTVs it cannot afford.

    Assuming that the rate of debt accumulation is constant, the U.S. government will accumulate approximately $1.72 million in additional debt every minute. According to a major electronics retail chain, a 26 inch LCD HDTV costs about $300.00 ($299.99) which adds up to 5,701 TVs for the $1.71 million of new debt per minute. [$1,720,000 / $299.99 = 5,733]


    * From 2010 to 2019, the Congressional Budget Office and the Office of Management and Budget estimate the cumulative deficit will be $9 trillion. This means that over the next decade $9 trillion will be added to our existing national debt, creating a total debt of more than $20 trillion.
    * According to the August OMB report, this yearís projected deficit alone is almost $1.58 trillion (11.2% of GDP). Next yearís deficit is projected to be $1.5 trillion (10.4% of GDP). These are the largest deficits relative to GDP since 1945.
    * From 2008 to 2009, public debt rose from 41% of GDP to 56% of GDP--about $8 trillion). According to the March CBO report, under current policy, public debt will rise to 82% of GDP by 2019, equaling approximately $17 trillion.
    * About $4 trillion of the total debt is money that the government has borrowed from itself, by writing IOUs for huge sums taken from Social Security and Medicare surpluses.
    * In July of 2009, the United States paid more than $19 billion in interest on the public debt [$19,812,486,187.83, Office of the Public Debt]. In 2009, according to the CBO, $177 billion of taxpayer funds will be used just to pay interest on the debtónot to pay off the debt, just to pay interest on it.
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    Every American workerís share of the national debt is more than $75,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The market is recovering, unemployment claims are starting to level off. I know you're a fool, but neither of those happened because of some invisible hand guiding folks. It's happened because a certain fiscally conservative president had policies that blew about an $8T hole in the economy and it had to be partially filled before it went off a cliff.
    The market and unemployment will recover with tor without the government. In fact, only 10% of the Stimulus money has been obligated so far, not even spent. Just like the forces of Nature, Government cannot control economies either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The market and unemployment will recover with tor without the government. In fact, only 10% of the Stimulus money has been obligated so far, not even spent. Just like the forces of Nature, Government cannot control economies either.
    With what as the driving force to ensure recovery after the banks have gone BK and tightened credit so small business can't even meet payroll.

    I won't bother to continue this debate since you've established the fact you are clueless on financial matters.

    Conservative idiots scoffed at CBO projections when it determined Bush tax cuts would increase the deficit. Now they cite CBO projections as though it is a papal bull.

    And coming from someone like yourself who is constantly ranting the government is inefficient and can't do anything correctly the irony of you citing a government report is especially ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    With what as the driving force to ensure recovery after the banks have gone BK and tightened credit so small business can't even meet payroll.

    I won't bother to continue this debate since you've established the fact you are clueless on financial matters.

    Conservative idiots scoffed at CBO projections when it determined Bush tax cuts would increase the deficit. Now they cite CBO projections as though it is a papal bull.

    And coming from someone like yourself who is constantly ranting the government is inefficient and can't do anything correctly the irony of you citing a government report is especially ironic.
    Why dont you continue explaining yourself? There are others who would like to know what you are going to say. By making remarks like "I won't bother to continue this debate since you've established the fact you are clueless on financial matters" simply makes you look like you dont know what to say or that you dont have a come back. Why is it that on each political thread, there is you, Scarecow and George? Do you guys have a life?

    Here's my view. Stop typing and get out there and do something. Everyone is big and bad on the forums, but face to face its a different story. PEOPLE YOU HAD BETTER UNITE BEFORE THIS COUNTRY GETS SO FAR OUT THERE YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT EVER GET IT BACK!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerfire1156 View Post
    Why is it that on each political thread, there is you, Scarecow and George? Do you guys have a life?
    There is no one forcing you read our writings. Don't like it? Don't read it!!

    Quote Originally Posted by farmerfire1156 View Post
    Here's my view. Stop typing and get out there and do something. Everyone is big and bad on the forums, but face to face its a different story. PEOPLE YOU HAD BETTER UNITE BEFORE THIS COUNTRY GETS SO FAR OUT THERE YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT EVER GET IT BACK!!!
    Thank you for your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Obama's approval ratings are about the same as Reagan's during the first year of his first term.
    But still low, and dropping. Every poll done shows them plummeting. His ratings are even lower than the most recent Democrat nemesis one George W. Bush in his first term at this point - although he did get a "bump" from 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    See above. Clinton had to deal with a mild recession. Obama is dealing with the worst recession since the Great Depression.
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. I never said that he did not handle a "mild recession." As usual, you choose to read more into what I write, instead of taking what I write at face value.

    As I recall, the talking head political pundits, and Mr. Clinton's minions were saying in 1992 that it was the worst recession since the Great Depression at that time too.

    Mr. Obama and the Dems' push for the stimulus was to keep the unemployment rate below 8%-9% and we have seen it blow through 10% - as reported, but it is closer to 15%-20%. And this recession occurred due to multiple factors, many of which were predicted to occur more than 10 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    People may dislike congress. But they like their congressman. I expect the Dems to lose seats. I'll be suprised if they lost majorities in either house.
    I did not say that the Republican's would get the majority. They are just as useless, corrupt, brain-dead, and moronic as the Democrats are. I said that the Dems' votes would cost them dearly.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The alternative was to let the economy tank and slide off a cliff. I guess in your little world, that was a better idea.
    And what exactly would you call our current state of economic affairs oh great and enlightened one? Nearly 1/5 of our work force is uneployed, people are losing homes that many of them could not afford in the first place, our national debt has gone up by 30% in less than 1 year, we own 60%+ of a failed automaker (General Motors), gave billions of dollars (that were added to our deficit and debt) to banks to loan money they have not loaned back to borrowers, the executives of those banks are still making HUGE profits, housing values have dropped by massive amounts, people are walking away from homes, and just this week we hear that the jopbless rate is not expected to drop in any significant manner until sometime in 2011. Just what in the hell would you say that the Dems have done right? For the record, I feel that the Republicans would have screwed the pooch as well.

    However, Mr. Obama, the Democrats, liberals, and progressives will have to accept some responsibility soon enough. He has been in office for 11 months as of today, and the economic condition and stability of our nation has worsened significantly - despite a Democratic-controlled Congress saying that every bill they passed would help the economy.

    As for what I would have done...No stimulus bill, no cars for clunkers, no bank bailouts, and no bailout of GM or Chrysler. Just for starters. And remember, that by no means was there a consensus amongst economists that the stimulus and bailouts were a great a idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    How do you figure they aren't following the will of their constituencies? Obama is doing exactly what stated during his campaign.
    Consider that just about every major poll showed that the majority of VOTERS did not want the stimulus bill, the majority of folks (as high as 70% in some polls) do not want this health care "reform" bill passed, I will just have to go out on a limb and say that they are not doing what their constituencies want. For an intelligent man (who claims to not be) we really have to do a lot of explaining of basic subject matter.

    Mr. Obams is doing what he stated.....to a point. Iraq is a longer drawdown than he said it would be, no closure date for Guantanamo Bay, increased troop deployments to Afghanistan. Yup, sure is keeping those promises isn't he.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    What does this mean? It makes no sense.
    Let me connect some dots for you. See, back in August one Senator Edward Moore Kennedy died. This has caused a need for a special election to replace him (after our state legislature chose to change a 4 year old law which allowed our moronic half-wit governor to appoint a replacement.) Now we have a do-nothing state Attorney General running for a senate seat against a Republican state senator. We vote in just under a month. Martha Coakley will win, but not by as much as she might have when she hitches to the coat tails of a lot of Democrats.
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    [QUOTE=farmerfire1156;1125128]Why dont you continue explaining yourself? There are others who would like to know what you are going to say. By making remarks like "I won't bother to continue this debate since you've established the fact you are clueless on financial matters" simply makes you look like you dont know what to say or that you dont have a come back./QUOTE]

    He won't address the matter. You woudl lose count the number of times he has been asked questions chosen to not answer them. He then will resort to name calling and doing his best immitation of a 12 year old girl who does not get their way.

    He is nearly incapable of having a well-thought discussion on facts or merit without whining and taking every opportunity to bash a conservative, Republican, or anyone who disagrees with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    But still low, and dropping. Every poll done shows them plummeting. His ratings are even lower than the most recent Democrat nemesis one George W. Bush in his first term at this point - although he did get a "bump" from 9/11
    Bush's ratings were also plummeting till 9/11. I won't make the claim that without 9/11 they would have continued falling, though there is nothing to indicate an immediate turn around was imminent.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. I never said that he did not handle a "mild recession." As usual, you choose to read more into what I write, instead of taking what I write at face value.

    As I recall, the talking head political pundits, and Mr. Clinton's minions were saying in 1992 that it was the worst recession since the Great Depression at that time too.
    Which ones? Would like to know. I don't recall anyone stating that as fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Mr. Obama and the Dems' push for the stimulus was to keep the unemployment rate below 8%-9% and we have seen it blow through 10% - as reported, but it is closer to 15%-20%. And this recession occurred due to multiple factors, many of which were predicted to occur more than 10 years ago.
    What do you base the higher figure upon? The circumstances causing double digit unemployment only confirm the issue was more severe than previously believed. I have a question since you are now trying to lay the current economic conditions at Obama's doorstep. What would McCain have done that would have made a significantly better difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I did not say that the Republican's would get the majority. They are just as useless, corrupt, brain-dead, and moronic as the Democrats are. I said that the Dems' votes would cost them dearly.
    How will it cost them dearly if they will still hold majorities?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    And what exactly would you call our current state of economic affairs oh great and enlightened one? Nearly 1/5 of our work force is uneployed, people are losing homes that many of them could not afford in the first place, our national debt has gone up by 30% in less than 1 year, we own 60%+ of a failed automaker (General Motors), gave billions of dollars (that were added to our deficit and debt) to banks to loan money they have not loaned back to borrowers, the executives of those banks are still making HUGE profits, housing values have dropped by massive amounts, people are walking away from homes, and just this week we hear that the jopbless rate is not expected to drop in any significant manner until sometime in 2011. Just what in the hell would you say that the Dems have done right? For the record, I feel that the Republicans would have screwed the pooch as well.
    It would have been worse had Obama's fiscal policy not been enacted.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    However, Mr. Obama, the Democrats, liberals, and progressives will have to accept some responsibility soon enough. He has been in office for 11 months as of today, and the economic condition and stability of our nation has worsened significantly - despite a Democratic-controlled Congress saying that every bill they passed would help the economy.
    Rational people understand the conditions inherited by Obama might take more than a year to fix. That pretty much rules you out.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    As for what I would have done...No stimulus bill, no cars for clunkers, no bank bailouts, and no bailout of GM or Chrysler. Just for starters. And remember, that by no means was there a consensus amongst economists that the stimulus and bailouts were a great a idea.
    And watch society dissolve. That is a potential outcome of what you propose and why you're not in charge of anything of importance. BTW, economists are never in consensus. That's a non-argument. In 1974, the Nobel Prize in economics was jointly awarded to a libertarian and a socialist.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Consider that just about every major poll showed that the majority of VOTERS did not want the stimulus bill, the majority of folks (as high as 70% in some polls) do not want this health care "reform" bill passed, I will just have to go out on a limb and say that they are not doing what their constituencies want. For an intelligent man (who claims to not be) we really have to do a lot of explaining of basic subject matter.
    I can find polls that state just the opposite of health care reform. Like many of the electeds you blast for not reading the contents of the bill, do you believe those polled have read it in its entirety in order to have an informed opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Mr. Obams is doing what he stated.....to a point. Iraq is a longer drawdown than he said it would be, no closure date for Guantanamo Bay, increased troop deployments to Afghanistan. Yup, sure is keeping those promises isn't he.
    So should we have pulled out Iraq ASAP? Then you might be bitching the job was left unfinished. He stated on the campaign trail his desire to send more troops to Afghanistan. More than likely you were blinded by your pure hatred of Obama to notice.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Let me connect some dots for you. See, back in August one Senator Edward Moore Kennedy died. This has caused a need for a special election to replace him (after our state legislature chose to change a 4 year old law which allowed our moronic half-wit governor to appoint a replacement.) Now we have a do-nothing state Attorney General running for a senate seat against a Republican state senator. We vote in just under a month. Martha Coakley will win, but not by as much as she might have when she hitches to the coat tails of a lot of Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    He won't address the matter. You woudl lose count the number of times he has been asked questions chosen to not answer them. He then will resort to name calling and doing his best immitation of a 12 year old girl who does not get their way.

    He is nearly incapable of having a well-thought discussion on facts or merit without whining and taking every opportunity to bash a conservative, Republican, or anyone who disagrees with him.
    I'm very capable of having those discussions with like minded individuals. You're just not one of them.
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