Why register? ...To Enhance Your Experience
+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 17 FirstFirst 1234512 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 322
  1. #21
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    36

    Default

    [quote;1129750]
    Last edited by qwerty11; 02-17-2010 at 07:58 PM.


  2. #22
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Canuck Expat May be anywhere
    Posts
    2,906

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty11 View Post
    the spelling is fine and the last sentence is intentionally long. anymore semantics?

    you actually think i'm from europe? an explanation of this post and it's humor shouldn't be needed, you're a little lost on this one.
    No I can guarantee you are not from Europe and from your ignorant comments, doubt that you could find it on a map.

  3. #23
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    36

    Default

    [quote=;1129758][quote]
    Last edited by qwerty11; 02-17-2010 at 07:49 PM.

  4. #24
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Canuck Expat May be anywhere
    Posts
    2,906

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty11 View Post
    not surprised you are offended. you'd get along well with LA.
    Nope probably not. I spent a total of 34 years combined with a career and a Vol dept in Canada, the next 15 years working with many European, Asian and Australian fire depts. Amazing how a little travel and education can improve your knowledge. I'd urge you to try it if you could find the county line.

  5. #25
    Forum Member FyredUp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 1999
    Location
    Rural Wisconsin, Retired from the burbs of Milwaukee
    Posts
    9,844

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty11 View Post
    not surprised you are offended. you'd get along well with LA.
    He does. He is one of the minions.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

  6. #26
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Canuck Expat May be anywhere
    Posts
    2,906

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    He does. He is one of the minions.
    You know that is a bare faced lie Fyredup and I'm calling you on it to show me where I have ever out and out supported LA. Otherwise apologise and go back to playing checkers

  7. #27
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Posts
    292

    Default

    We're still rolling a '91 e-one canopy cab 3rd due
    Last edited by k1500chevy97; 01-03-2010 at 04:09 PM.

  8. #28
    Forum Member FyredUp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 1999
    Location
    Rural Wisconsin, Retired from the burbs of Milwaukee
    Posts
    9,844

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    You know that is a bare faced lie Fyredup and I'm calling you on it to show me where I have ever out and out supported LA. Otherwise apologise and go back to playing checkers
    On enough occasions, in enough topics, you have supported his view. Maybe minion was too strong. So I apologize for calling you a minion.

    Perhaps lackey is a better descriptive word for you.

    Go back to playing checkers? Oh my God for a self proclaimed worldly individual that was the best you had? Dude you suck at insults.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

  9. #29
    Forum Member FyredUp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 1999
    Location
    Rural Wisconsin, Retired from the burbs of Milwaukee
    Posts
    9,844

    Default

    On my volly FD our second due engine is a 1974 Mack Cf with a canopy cab.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

  10. #30
    Forum Member DeputyChiefGonzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Somewhere between genius and insanity!
    Posts
    13,575

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    You know that is a bare faced lie Fyredup and I'm calling you on it to show me where I have ever out and out supported LA. Otherwise apologise and go back to playing checkers
    So much for being kinder and gentler.....
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
    Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

  11. #31
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    36

    Default

    [QUOTE=112977 ope probably not. I spent career [/QUOTE]
    These posts are not coming out right, in reviewing them, they're still quoting screwy. I went back again and updated the web team today...almost a year later LOL
    Last edited by qwerty11; 02-07-2011 at 06:57 PM.

  12. #32
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    36

    Default

    [quote=;11276]
    Last edited by qwerty11; 02-17-2010 at 07:57 PM.

  13. #33
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Bossier Parrish, Louisiana
    Posts
    10,527

    Default

    Progressive departments? Funny how those departments are the ones that follow YOUR model of what the fire service should be and not the mainstream. You harp on and on about firefighter safety like it is one or the other, agressive firefighting or safety. The real world firefighters, the ones that actually see fire and fight fire, know for a fact that the 2 can and do co-exist everyday. You will only be happy when there is a fire service with no danger to responders and that is IMPOSSIBLE. The very nature of the job is dangerous and firefighter injuries and deaths will always occur because we have to go inside, when possible, to do our jobs. Can we reduce them? Of course. Eliminate them? I can't see how. Well, unless we are NEVER, under any circumstances, going to get close enough to the fire building to even feel the heat.

    I agree that the 2 can coexist.

    Problem is that there are still many departments that fight fire aggressivly no matter the situation.

    There are buildings that are gone when we arrive, yet we as a service have a hard time accepting that and feel that we still need to be aggressive to save nothing.

    I'll use one example from my past on a previous department. Fully involved barn. No exposures yet the IC felt that he had to continue to throw as much water as possible on it despite the fact that it simply was not going to affect the outcome. Result was an active tanker shuttle where we had a truck go off the road injuring the driver and an injury at the dump site. So we injured 2 members for a barn that was 70% on the ground when we arrived.

    I'll give you another example from the community I went to college in and ran mutual aid with when i was with the college FD. About 10 years after I left, they had a fire in a 100 plus year old mill; structure. Fire had travel led the length of the structure and there was nothing left to save. A member of a mutual aid company decided to move into the collapse zone, open a side door and put water into a section of structure already lost with a handline. Wall collapsed and he was killed.

    Both situations being aggressive gained nothing yet we had injuries and an LODD. What did they achieve?

    Bottom line is there are times to be aggressive.

    When lives are at stake and you have the resources and the realistic possibility of saving them.

    This does not include the remote possibility that someone may be in an abandoned structure, which is our situation.

    When there is significant savable property with value.

    When there are exposures with value threatened though the primary fire structure may be lost.

    I never denied there are these types of situations.

    But stand-alone abondoneds? No. brush? No. Vehicle fires? No. Dumpster fires? No. Structures where resources are inadequate? No.

    There is simply no point in taking risks with firefighters lives where the situation is lost prior to arrival, or we don't have the training or resources to change the situation.

  14. #34
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Canuck Expat May be anywhere
    Posts
    2,906

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    On enough occasions, in enough topics, you have supported his view. Maybe minion was too strong. So I apologize for calling you a minion.

    Perhaps lackey is a better descriptive word for you.

    Go back to playing checkers? Oh my God for a self proclaimed worldly individual that was the best you had? Dude you suck at insults.
    Nope I can throw insults with the best, but your comment wasn't that serious. I don't get wrapped up in these hate a thons you and a few others seem to enjoy. LA does things differently on his dept than you do. Thats actually his business and probably doesn't affect too much in Wisconsin. You seem to feel because they do things their way, its totally wrong and threatens the very fabric of fire fighting. Let me ask you this, how many on your dept have the skills and do the training for wild well control, accessing and operating BOPs in a level 3 loss of containment on a 14% HP/HT well? If not, why do you not practice and maintain this level of training?

  15. #35
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    36

    Default

    [quote=4466
    Last edited by qwerty11; 02-17-2010 at 07:56 PM.

  16. #36
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Bossier Parrish, Louisiana
    Posts
    10,527

    Default

    the two firemen hurt during the tanker shuttle was not a result of aggression. your IC did the right thing at the barn fire, there's nothing aggressive about a defensive attack. the apparatus accident is unfortunate but does not magically deem this aggressive. would you rather do nothing? that would only hurt the dept., you'd look like a bunch of lazy skells to the taxpayers. it does not hurt you to throw water. this does not qualify as an example or anything other than useless spin.

    Interesting.

    So a barn, with no exposures, mostly on the ground when we arrive, justifies an active tanker shuttle with the risks associated with it?

    Maybe you are not a rural firefighter, but a tanker shuttle is a very dangerous operation. Drivers have been killed and fill and dump site personnel have been run over, lost legs and in some instances, have been killed.

    So running an operation with those risks in your mind was justified for a structure lost before we were even dispatched?

    And allowing it to burn would have hurt who?

    I simply do not agree with your train of thought.

  17. #37
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    36

    Default

    [quote0][quote]
    Last edited by qwerty11; 02-17-2010 at 07:49 PM.

  18. #38
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    2,802

    Default

    back on topic, my understanding is that the open top was popular because in the days of the corner pull box visibility was critical to finding the fire. Since the boxes weren't on every telephone pole and people would go to the closest one they knew about, when you went to an alarm you only knew the area of the fire. To locate it you had to look for the smoke or hope the person was waiting at the box to direct you. So the open top helped the officer and driver find and follow the smoke.

    I don't get why people think the enclosed cab is so much safer than a canopy cab. If you wear your seatbelt the canopy cab should be just as safe. Not that it would be the most fun to ride in during the winter, the canopy cabs aren't some dangerous dinosaur some make them out to be. I imagine they only kept making them because they were easier to make and the FD's weren't begging for an enclosed cab.

  19. #39
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Canuck Expat May be anywhere
    Posts
    2,906

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty11 View Post
    there he goes with some more of his resume. suddle.
    Please answer my question and if you cannot, tell me why your dept doesn't deserve the same type of scorn you seem to relish dishing out to others?

  20. #40
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    36

    Default

    qwscrpts/quote]
    Last edited by qwerty11; 02-17-2010 at 07:48 PM.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Rural Fire Apparatus Discussion
    By SamsonFCDES in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 107
    Last Post: 09-20-2005, 07:06 PM
  2. Thermal Imaging SOG's
    By wtfd92 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 06-27-2001, 08:41 PM
  3. RFP's
    By D Littrell in forum Apparatus Innovation
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-08-2000, 06:36 PM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-20-1999, 03:35 PM
  5. Thermal Cameras and the like
    By Diane in forum Meet and Greet
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 08-30-1999, 09:13 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts