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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Which is exactly part of the point. Our leaders are no longer protecting and defending the Constitution and the American way of life. The framers put that language in there for a reason, and it is the rules we live by. The document isn't that big nor that difficult to understand.
    Then vote them out of office. I'm pretty sure the framers addressed this too.

    By the way, it is a lame excuse when someone explains their actions by saying they did it too.
    It's also pretty lame to complain about a person's actions when you didn't complain about the same or similar actions of prior persons.
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    But don't you see, it's only ok if HE does it.

    Like not using "scholarly sources"

    Appointing "czars"

    Misunderstanding simple english..... Things like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Thanks for the info, but it was irrelevant to the reference/joke that I made.

    Which was that if one believes the story of Adam & Eve, that God created them and they were the first people on earth, then everybody in existence today descended from them in some fashion. Pretty simple.
    But it shows that isn't far from the truth. If you were able to follow the ancestry back that far we wold find that we all have some common ancestors why back in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...1&postcount=31

    And you never said that?


    really. really?

    re⋅tard  [ri-tahrd, for 1–3, 5; ree-tahrd for 4] Show IPA
    Use retard in a Sentence
    –verb (used with object)
    1. to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.
    –verb (used without object)
    2. to be delayed.
    –noun
    3. a slowing down, diminution, or hindrance, as in a machine.
    4. Slang: Disparaging.
    a. a mentally retarded person.
    b. a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard.
    5. Automotive, Machinery. an adjustment made in the setting of the distributor of an internal-combustion engine so that the spark for ignition in each cylinder is generated later in the cycle.


    Thats weird, I thought when I looked up retard it would only show you, but its a word with ...........


    OH MY GOD......



    MULTIPLE
    MEANINGS!


    AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!


    JUST LIKE THE WORD CZAR OH MY GOD!


    please. shut up. sit down. go away.
    Actually, I was trying to clarify what you were talking about. I never used it, you did. But none the less.

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    1. a person appointed to rule a country or province as the deputy of the sovereign: the viceroy of India.
    2. a brightly marked American butterfly, Limenitis archippus, closely mimicking the monarch butterfly in coloration.

    Word Origin & History

    viceroy
    person ruling as representative of a sovereign, 1524, from M.Fr. vice-roy, from O.Fr. vice- "deputy" (see vice-) + roi "king," from L. regem (nom. rex); see rex. The species of American butterfly so called from 1881.
    Synonym of King

    Main Entry: king
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: ruler
    Synonyms:
    baron, caesar, caliph, crowned head, czar, emperor, gerent, imperator, kaiser, khan, magnate, maharajah, majesty, mikado, mogul, monarch, overlord, pasha, potentate, prince, rajah, rex, shah, sovereign, sultan, tycoon
    P.S. I use online sources here because you can see for yourself. And yea, the online dictionaries are just the same as the printed dictionaries or the electronic versions on the computer.

    If you don't like my sources then find reputable sources that show I'm wrong.
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    Lastly... and to end this nonsense.

    Find me one official Czar in this administration.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Actually, I was trying to clarify what you were talking about. I never used it, you did. But none the less.



    Synonym of King



    P.S. I use online sources here because you can see for yourself. And yea, the online dictionaries are just the same as the printed dictionaries or the electronic versions on the computer.

    If you don't like my sources then find reputable sources that show I'm wrong.
    Here you go. By default, if a czar is just another word for king, then any other word for czar would also mean king? correct?

    Main Entry: czar
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: expert, animate or inanimate
    Synonyms:
    CEO, arbiter, aristocrat, bible, big cheese, big shot, big wig, boss, brains, brass, buff*, city hall, connoisseur, czar, egghead, establishment*, exec, executive, expert, feds, front office, governor, guru, ivory dome, judge, king, kingfish, kingpin, law*, power elite, pro, professional, professor, pundit, scholar, specialist, textbook, top brass, top dog, top hand, upstairs, veteran, virtuoso, whiz, wizard

    By answering yes: wizards, governors, the front office, CEO's, big shots, veterans are all royalty also, and are also all kings.

    By answering no: then you have eventually agreed that a word may have 2 separate meanings, and the word czar CAN but does not ALWAYS mean nobility. Thus making this entire thread another example at why you should never be able to breed or interact with human kind.
    Now will you shut up.
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    According to Wikipedia, Chief is a Title of Nobility too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    According to Wikipedia, Chief is a Title of Nobility too...
    Well we better start thinking up a new title for that too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Lastly... and to end this nonsense.

    Find me one official Czar in this administration.
    There are a ton of references to this in all the media, including the MSM, While in search of the answer I did find this Senior Democrat Says Obama’s Czars Unconstitutional

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    So. I have a question I guess. Whether your an obama supporter or not, that's irrelevant. Does anyone else is this thread other thab scareblow give a schit if the president uses the term czar? I guess I don't care because almost every president has found ways to tip toe around the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    There are a ton of references to this in all the media, including the MSM, While in search of the answer I did find this Senior Democrat Says Obama’s Czars Unconstitutional
    Like I said... the title is not Czar.

    The first example "Kenneth Feinberg" is called a "pay Czar", but his title is something like "Special Master".

    The reality is that this is a stupid topic. Call em what you want, but the President (any president) is entitled to his advisors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    So. I have a question I guess. Whether your an obama supporter or not, that's irrelevant. Does anyone else is this thread other thab scareblow give a schit if the president uses the term czar? I guess I don't care because almost every president has found ways to tip toe around the constitution.
    I think that's why most Presidents went to Law School, to find the loopholes
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    As a staunch Obama opposer, I have to say, there are bigger problems with this administration than to give a crap what he calls an advisor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Here you go. By default, if a czar is just another word for king, then any other word for czar would also mean king? correct?

    Main Entry: czar
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: expert, animate or inanimate
    Synonyms:
    CEO, arbiter, aristocrat, bible, big cheese, big shot, big wig, boss, brains, brass, buff*, city hall, connoisseur, czar, egghead, establishment*, exec, executive, expert, feds, front office, governor, guru, ivory dome, judge, king, kingfish, kingpin, law*, power elite, pro, professional, professor, pundit, scholar, specialist, textbook, top brass, top dog, top hand, upstairs, veteran, virtuoso, whiz, wizard

    By answering yes: wizards, governors, the front office, CEO's, big shots, veterans are all royalty also, and are also all kings.

    By answering no: then you have eventually agreed that a word may have 2 separate meanings, and the word czar CAN but does not ALWAYS mean nobility. Thus making this entire thread another example at why you should never be able to breed or interact with human kind.
    Now will you shut up.
    Well there you go, it is also linked to religion, there fore it is totally taboo. Of course you do realize your circular logic is flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    As a staunch Obama opposer, I have to say, there are bigger problems with this administration than to give a crap what he calls an advisor.
    Exactly.

    But remember, the point of this thread was to get attention for the OP.

    Mission accomplished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Exactly.

    But remember, the point of this thread was to get attention for the OP.

    Mission accomplished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    So. I have a question I guess. Whether your an obama supporter or not, that's irrelevant. Does anyone else is this thread other thab scareblow give a schit if the president uses the term czar? I guess I don't care because almost every president has found ways to tip toe around the constitution.
    It isn't so much that they are called CZARS. A monarch by any other name is still a monarch. The first issue is the Constitution forbids it. By using these terms he is ignoring the Constitution and doing whatever he wants. Secondly, he has given these people powers they are not supposed to have. For instance a Pay Czar will set the pay for executives. We have a democratic system in place to prevent this sorts of actions. Limiting pay is a matter for the congress, not some appointed Czar. It is one thing to have "industry experts" for advisement. It is entirely something else to give them power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    It isn't so much that they are called CZARS. A monarch by any other name is still a monarch.
    So what makes a monarch, if the name is irrelevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    A monarch by any other name is still a monarch.
    So then any person exercising great authority or power in a particular field by any other name is ANY PERSON EXERCISING GREAT AUTHORITY OR POWER IN A PARTICULAR FIELD. AND THUSLY, NOT A KING OR NOBILITY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    It isn't so much that they are called CZARS. A monarch by any other name is still a monarch. The first issue is the Constitution forbids it. By using these terms he is ignoring the Constitution and doing whatever he wants. Secondly, he has given these people powers they are not supposed to have. For instance a Pay Czar will set the pay for executives. We have a democratic system in place to prevent this sorts of actions. Limiting pay is a matter for the congress, not some appointed Czar. It is one thing to have "industry experts" for advisement. It is entirely something else to give them power.
    I saw him address Santa Claus, but i'll let you in on a secret. He aint really Santa.

    He did not, nor did the government, give them the title of Czar. If they are called that casually, that's not GRANTING a title.

    Let me direct you back to the US Constitution.

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
    Are we done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Well there you go, it is also linked to religion, there fore it is totally taboo. Of course you do realize your circular logic is flawed.
    Do you know what the word synonym means?

    Apparently not.
    And by the way, my logic is not flawed, it just proves you wrong therefore you do not want to believe it.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_branch_czars


    I used a credible and scholarly source for you.


    I'll sum it up.

    In the United States, the informal political term "czar" is employed in media and popular usage to refer to high-level officials who oversee a particular policy. There have never been any U.S. government offices with the title "czar", but various governmental officials have sometimes been referred to by the nickname "czar" rather than their actual title.
    The earliest known use of the term for a U.S. government official was in the administration of Franklin Roosevelt (1933-1945), during which twelve positions were so described. The term was revived, mostly by the press, to describe officials in the Nixon and Ford administrations. Subsequently, until the George W. Bush administration (2001-2009), the term was little used except in reference to the "drug czar."[citation needed]
    The habit of using "czar" to refer to an administration official dates back at least to President Franklin D. Roosevelt


    President has appointed 8 czars! 8 czars! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT!

    bush only appointed 47 but whose counting.

    Jeffery Crowley was appointed AIDS Czar. You know, to combat AIDS in America. Poor thing doesn't even know he's king of AIDS.

    Ross Dennis was appointed Iran Czar. I'm sure the Ayatollah will be mighty upset that there's a new king now.

    Gil Sperling was appointed Weather Czar. Maybe I should write him a letter, tell him its just way too cold, he is after all a king of the weather.


    Do you now see how definition of nobility does not apply to "czar" in this context? Do you see how utterly stupid you are to think it really means king, do you see how stupid it looks substituted with king?

    Do you see now that its actual definition is: any person exercising great authority or power in a particular field.

    So what was the point of all this again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    It isn't so much that they are called CZARS. A monarch by any other name is still a monarch. The first issue is the Constitution forbids it. By using these terms he is ignoring the Constitution and doing whatever he wants. Secondly, he has given these people powers they are not supposed to have. For instance a Pay Czar will set the pay for executives. We have a democratic system in place to prevent this sorts of actions. Limiting pay is a matter for the congress, not some appointed Czar. It is one thing to have "industry experts" for advisement. It is entirely something else to give them power.
    Its already been proven that czar has meaning other than that of nobility. So, with that being said, show me in the constitution where its says he can't use the term czar. If you can't cite SPECIFICALLY where it says you can't use THE word CZAR, shut the hell up and get the hell out.

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    Oh don't worry, he won't. Its sort of like in an entire post that shows him how wrong he is, he picks the word bible and says its not a religion thing.

    He's called scarecrow because he pulls straws. Instead of facing an argument like a man he picks one single thing and tries to argue with it, ultimately failing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Oh don't worry, he won't. Its sort of like in an entire post that shows him how wrong he is, he picks the word bible and says its not a religion thing.

    He's called scarecrow because he pulls straws. Instead of facing an argument like a man he picks one single thing and tries to argue with it, ultimately failing.
    Unfortunately, I know this all to well.

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