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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Was it worth it for losing the lives of over 4500 of your brightest and best youth. Only you and the good Lord on judgement day can answer that.
    That's an entirely different debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I'm all for humanitarianism as well. Please tell me when to expect the USA to come to the aid of poor folks in Somalia, Darfur, Chad, DR Congo, Congo, Zimbabwe? The humanitarian crimes there are far worse than the psycho Hussein family
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    That's an entirely different debate.
    Yes definitely different Ken. I hope its one that a lot higher power than on this Earth has someday with a few people

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    A guy too un-savvy to realize his phone could be traced is certainly un-savvy enough to miss a few weapons, huh?
    Apparently he didn't miss a few since none were found. WMD's were dimantled during the UNSCOM process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Still haven't looked in Syria.
    Why would Hussein have moved them? Moving WMD's aren't like putting keys in a suitcase. The logistical effort to accomplish that task is significant. It would involve a conspiracy of dozens if not hundreds of people. Do you really believe that many people could keep a secret this long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Why would Hussein have moved them? Moving WMD's aren't like putting keys in a suitcase. The logistical effort to accomplish that task is significant. It would involve a conspiracy of dozens if not hundreds of people. Do you really believe that many people could keep a secret this long?
    Why would he move them... lemme think. Ah yes, so that we wouldn't find them.

    Depending on the actual wmd, pretty easy to move them.

    I'm sure there are hundreds of shallow graves in those desert, if not thousands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Why would he move them... lemme think. Ah yes, so that we wouldn't find them.

    Depending on the actual wmd, pretty easy to move them.

    I'm sure there are hundreds of shallow graves in those desert, if not thousands.
    Your answers don't match reality. If Hussein had them, why would he have moved or buried them when he knew they would be needed against an invading force? It's not like we snuck up on him one day and just invaded.

    Even Bush admitted there were no WMD's to be found. The belief they exist is now so much wishful thinking on those who carried Bush's water for eight years only to realize there is nothing in his administration that could be considered a success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Your answers don't match reality. If Hussein had them, why would he have moved or buried them when he knew they would be needed against an invading force? It's not like we snuck up on him one day and just invaded.

    Even Bush admitted there were no WMD's to be found. The belief they exist is now so much wishful thinking on those who carried Bush's water for eight years only to realize there is nothing in his administration that could be considered a success.

    You'll have an easier time finding pixie dust.
    I was asked a question, I answered it.

    Are you really denying that he had WMD's at some point?

    Bush admitted that there were none. However, he did say that Saddam had the capacity to make them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I was asked a question, I answered it.

    Are you really denying that he had WMD's at some point?
    Prior to them being destroyed by UNSCOM. Which was prior to our invading.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Bush admitted that there were none. However, he did say that Saddam had the capacity to make them.
    Bush was wrong about that as well. The capacity to make them was never found either.

    Let's review the rhetoric emmanating from the Bush Administration before during and after the Iraqi invasion.

    Remember these little gems?

    Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
    - Dick Cheney, speech to VFW National Convention, Aug. 26, 2002

    Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
    - George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002

    No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
    - Donald Rumsfeld, testimony to Congress, Sept. 19, 2002

    The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq.
    - George W. Bush, Nov. 23, 2002

    If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
    - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Dec. 2, 2002

    We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
    - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Jan. 9, 2003

    What we know from UN inspectors over the course of the last decade is that Saddam Hussein possesses thousands of chemical warheads, that he possesses hundreds of liters of very dangerous toxins that can kill millions of people.
    - White House spokesman Dan Bartlett, CNN interview, Jan. 26, 2003

    Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agent…. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
    - George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003

    We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
    - Colin Powell, remarks to UN Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003

    We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons - the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
    - George W. Bush, radio address, Feb. 8, 2003

    If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since [UN Resolution] 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us.
    - Colin Powell, interview with Radio France International, Feb. 28, 2003

    So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad?….I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
    - Colin Powell, remarks to UN Security Council, March 7, 2003

    Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
    - George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003

    The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.
    - George W. Bush, address to U.S., March 19, 2003

    Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly…..All this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
    - White House spokesman Ari Fleisher, press briefing, March 21, 2003

    There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And….as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
    - Gen. Tommy Franks, press conference, March 22, 2003

    I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
    - Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman, The Washington Post, March 23, 2003

    One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
    - Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clark, press briefing, March 22, 2003

    We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat.
    - Donald Rumsfeld, ABC interview, March 30, 2003

    Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find - and there will be plenty.
    - Robert Kagan, The Washington Post, April 9, 2003

    But make no mistake - as I said earlier - we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
    - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, April 10, 2003

    We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
    - George W. Bush, NBC interview, April 24, 2003

    There are people who in large measure have information that we need….so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
    - Donald Rumsfeld, press briefing, April 25, 2003

    We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
    - George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 3, 2003

    I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
    - Colin Powell, remarks to reporters, May 4, 2003

    I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein – because he had a weapons program.
    - George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 6, 2003

    We said what we said because we meant it…..We continue to have confidence that WMD will be found.
    - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, May 7, 2003

    Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
    - Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps, interview with reporters, May 21, 2003

    Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
    - Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, NBC Today Show interview, May 26, 2003

    Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."
    - Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency, press conference, May 30, 2003

    You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two [the labs were later judged to not contain any such weapons, that they most likely were used for weather balloons]. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.
    - George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003

    Of course there were none found so the fun really began:

    We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
    - Donald Rumsfeld, Fox News interview, May 4, 2003

    U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
    - Condoleeza Rice, Reuters interview, May 12, 2003

    I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago - I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago - whether they were destroyed right before the war [or] whether they're still hidden.
    - Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne, press briefing, May 13, 2003

    I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons. [SEE NEXT QUOTE]
    - Donald Rumsfeld, Senate appropriations subcommittee on defense hearing, May 14, 2003

    We believe [Hussein] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.
    - Dick Cheney, NBC's Meet the Press, March 16, 2003

    They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
    - Donald Rumsfeld, remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations, May 27, 2003

    It was a surprise to me then - it remains a surprise to me now - that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
    - Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, press interview, May 30, 2003

    I think some in the media have chosen to use the word 'imminent.’ Those were not words we used. We used 'grave and gathering' threat. [SEE NEXT QUOTE]
    - White House spokesman Scott McClellan, press briefing, Jan. 31, 2004

    This is about an imminent threat.
    - White House spokesman Scott McClellan, press briefing, Feb. 10, 2003

    After being asked whether Hussein was an “imminent” threat: Well, of course he is
    - White House spokesman Dan Bartlett, CNN interview, Jan. 26, 2003

    After being asked whether the U.S. went to war because officials said Hussein’s alleged weapons were a direct, imminent threat to the U.S.: Absolutely.
    - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, May 7, 2003

    And at least one kernel of truth:
    For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, [as justification for invading Iraq] because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
    - Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair interview, May 28, 2003
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Let's review the rhetoric emmanating from the Bush Administration before during and after the Iraqi invasion.

    Remember these little gems?
    What about all the quotes from the democrats? Why did you leave those out?

    There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status.

    - Dec. 5, 2001, letter to President Bush, signed by Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla. and others

    We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.

    - Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., Sept. 27, 2002

    I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.

    - Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., Oct. 9, 2002
    I'm not looking for more, but I know that quite a few others felt the same way.

    I guess it was one giant conspiracy involving hundreds of politicians from both parties under two different presidents...

    Oh and also involving a few other sovereign nations and their leadership and intelligence agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    What about all the quotes from the democrats? Why did you leave those out?
    Because he can never say anything disparaging about Democrats/liberals/progressives, or say anything that might cast them in a harsh light - even if it is the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    What about all the quotes from the democrats? Why did you leave those out?
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    Because none of those quotes advocated a pre-emptive invasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Because none of those quotes advocated a pre-emptive invasion.
    Well, their votes sure said that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I'm all for humanitarianism as well. Please tell me when to expect the USA to come to the aid of poor folks in Somalia, Darfur, Chad, DR Congo, Congo, Zimbabwe? The humanitarian crimes there are far worse than the psycho Hussein family
    In large volume (billions of US$), that would have been in the 1960s. You can't fix a stupid continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Why would Hussein have moved them? Moving WMD's aren't like putting keys in a suitcase. The logistical effort to accomplish that task is significant. It would involve a conspiracy of dozens if not hundreds of people. Do you really believe that many people could keep a secret this long?

    Unlike the ewe you're banging, these folks are human who speak a human language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Well, their votes sure said that.
    Oh man. You know how he hates those pesky little things we call "facts." He much prefers hypotheticals.
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