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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Actually, (and I feel a little dumb right now) what I meant was anyone on these forums. I knew there were press people that said it. I guess I should have been more explicit.
    I'll give you the gimme on that one.

    Reading some of those remarks, one should believe by the standards that is claimed as a Bush mandate, then Obama's victory (7%) is a virtual landslide.

    Yet nothing of the sort was written by those same individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I'll give you the gimme on that one.

    Reading some of those remarks, one should believe by the standards that is claimed as a Bush mandate, then Obama's victory (7%) is a virtual landslide.

    Yet nothing of the sort was written by those same individuals.
    Virtual???

    Oh no. It was a landslide. Just read from our unbiased media.

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...856560,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Virtual???

    Oh no. It was a landslide. Just read from our unbiased media.

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...856560,00.html

    Regardless of the outcome, the message has already been sent.
    Given the standards laid down by the media in 2004. That story is absolutely accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given the standards laid down by the media in 2004. That story is absolutely accurate.
    And yet he has done nothing, and his policies have helped very few people. And many people that have supported him during his election are vaporizing. His job approval ratings have slumped - and as you pointed out many presidents have been at about this point in their Presidencies - but considering the events of the past year this is not all that good.

    A mandate for change is all well and good, but you actually have to follow through with it. That has not been done thus far, and a lot of people are upset with the wasy President Obama has performed, and are less than pleased with the performance of Congress thus far as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given the standards laid down by the media in 2004. That story is absolutely accurate.
    The three subsequent failures in major elections are a statement that this is not the change the people wanted. Those would be the Governors races in New Jersey and Virginia, and the election of Brown. All three are Democratic strong holds and crashing fast. When Brown wins you will have many Democrats re-evaluating their postilions on the issues.

    Rather than health care give-aways , they need to focus on job creation, then people will get their insurance through the employers and not the tax payer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    And yet he has done nothing, and his policies have helped very few people. And many people that have supported him during his election are vaporizing. His job approval ratings have slumped - and as you pointed out many presidents have been at about this point in their Presidencies - but considering the events of the past year this is not all that good.

    A mandate for change is all well and good, but you actually have to follow through with it. That has not been done thus far, and a lot of people are upset with the wasy President Obama has performed, and are less than pleased with the performance of Congress thus far as well.
    I would add this change is good as long is it is the right change. There is change for the good and change for the worse. Not for nothing, but you can keep this change.

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    If you would like to vote for Coakley, contact your local ACORN office. They got me 7 ballots and I have never been to Mass.

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    I went to vote this morning around 1015, and the parking lot was packed for voters. Even in November 2008 the place was not as packed given the large turnout in Mass. for President Obama. Even with a miserable mix of snow, sleet, slush, and 8 inches of heavy white crap yesterday I have not seen my town's school this packed for a vote in the normal election cycle.....nevermind the fact that this is an off-year election in the middle of freaking January. And I live in a little rinky-dink town of 7,400people.

    All the talk shows are abuzz with people reporting the same thing. Packed polls.

    If this election is any less than 5% seperating the candidates both the Dems and Republicans will be flooding this state worse than they did in Minnesota or Florida.

    Since scfire86 is so quiet, I can only imagine that he is just trying to keep his house from floating into the Pacific ocean with 20 inches of rain there. Stay safe, buy a boat, and put your floaties on. It should be over soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterboy1 View Post
    If you would like to vote for Coakley, contact your local ACORN office. They got me 7 ballots and I have never been to Mass.
    7!!! Was that with or without taking a prostitute with you?
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    Default Hey SC!!........

    I'm aware that you're keeping an eye on this thread.... So I'm hijacking for just a split second to wish the Best for you, Bou, and all the other West Coast Folks on here. The stuff on the Weather Reports that we're getting here looks like you folks are getting beat up pretty bad. Good Luck, Take Care..........
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    Just saw a report that Coakley conceded to Brown. Wow...

    Now, are the Democrats willing to seal their fate by trying to push through the healthcare bill before he gets to DC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Just saw a report that Coakley conceded to Brown. Wow...

    Now, are the Democrats willing to seal their fate by trying to push through the healthcare bill before he gets to DC?
    Won't happen.

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    Massachusetts is now a purple state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Massachusetts is now a purple state.

    Or is that a "Purple Hydrant" State??...........
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    Ahhh. Some hope and change we can finally believe in!
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    I heard there were some folks in Massachusetts planning a road trip to Arlington National Cemetery to dig up Ted Kennedy and flip him back over. Anyone wanna borrow my shovel?
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    Not unless flipping him over also means dropping him off the coast of Marthas Vineyard.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Post Yeah............

    NM, You're such a Nice Person............


    Seriously, Sharkie, Gonz, and the Folks in Massachusetts had a lot at stake yesterday. Without the National Implications of the breaking of the Super Majority, followed by the probable failure of the attempt to pass the President's Healthcare Bill, at least in it's present form, there is still a huge problem that needs to be corrected, at least in my opinion. While I'm torn two ways on the subject, a debate on Term Limits will probably be on the horizon soon. That a Senate Seat became so much a part of one Family, indeed, one individual, that it became known Nationwide as "His" Seat may have been a part of what I would call the Backlash that gave Mr. Brown the edge yesterday......... I wish Mr. Brown and the People of Massachusetts well, it's gonna be interesting.......
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    Here's the thing. This was a statewide election that had national implications.

    The Democrats ran a lackluster candidate who tried at every turn to insult, demean, and alienate a large portion of the electorate here. Additionally, she was pushing for a VERY unpopular idea that this health care "reform" legislation was a good thing. She also promised to push forth Mr. Obama's agenda, which a lot of people are VERY weary of here as shown by his approval ratings tanking in a state that he wond very handily just 14 months ago.

    And a boost to Democracy was found here. Just about half of all registered voters turned out to vote across the state on the day after received several inches of snow, where it snowed all day long, in the middle of January, during a special election. I used to be cynical about how people felt regarding politics here in Massachusetts - I might have to rethink that feeling.

    The election of Mr. Brown will be a cause for Democrats to freak the hell out. They see it as a referendum on their causes and will see it as chance to try to push a lot of things through in the next 11 months until a new Congress is seated. The Republicans will see it as a rallying point, and it just might serve for them to get a few seats in November.

    But statewide here in Massachusetts this is actually quite big. Deval Patrick is our governor, and he is already quite unpopular. The election yesterday will cause him to start crapping bricks. There is a lot of speculation that this year's Census will show us to be continuing to lose population and will likely cause us to lose a Congressional seat. Why is that important? Well, ya see.....In 2012 we will be voting for Mr. Brown to re-elect him AND new Congressional districts. The Dems will tear each other apart over the new Congressional re-districting. Mass. has 11 Democrats and 1 Republican (Mr. Brown) in Congress now. We will likely have a Republican governor as well after November. At this point in time I cannot even begin to fathom the political implications over this - but it will an interesting time in Mass. politics.

    And Ms. Coakley and the Democrats screwed up immensely and outright lied about Mr. Brown regarding his stance on health care "reform." He has never once said that he was against health care "reform" - only the current 2 bills before Congress that give special interest groups and unions exemptions, and treats several states differently than others (just look at Nebraska and Louisiana.) Treat everyone fairly, treat every state fairly, give every state the same benefits, and do it without cutting Medicaid and Medicare, and causing an increase in taxes, and adding to our deficit. And do it now, not pass a bill now that won't take effect for 4 more freaking years .

    And I wonder what affect it will have on President Obama this Fall. His presence did not result in a win here in Massachusetts, or in another heavily Democratic bastion called New Jersey 2 months ago. It also did not help him in his new backyard of Virginia 2 months ago. In all honesty, he is failing on his promises and seems to be going about things the wrong way and it is costing him some hard-earned political clout. I don't know how much clout he will have this Summer when it comes to pushing for some candidates around our great nation.

    Honestly, each state ought to do it themselves as it may be a bit unwieldy for the feds to do a one size fits all. Learn from the way Massachusetts has done it but learn from the mistakes and errors in our system. After all, we have 97%+ of our citizenry covered by any of a wide variety of health care plans - and no state can match that. We may not do a whole lot right here, but you can take something from that - just understand that it will cost a lot of money, and likely more than you THINK it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I'm aware that you're keeping an eye on this thread.... So I'm hijacking for just a split second to wish the Best for you, Bou, and all the other West Coast Folks on here. The stuff on the Weather Reports that we're getting here looks like you folks are getting beat up pretty bad. Good Luck, Take Care..........
    Right with ya Harve. My original post to scfire was not to bust his b@lls (but I realize it can be seen in that light. Getting 20 inches in a couple of days is ridiculous and leaves you with only two things to do - pray, or laugh at the ridiculousness of the situation.

    He should still buy a boat and put on some floaties though. Be safe and get back here so I can irritate the snot out of you.
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