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    I heard there were some folks in Massachusetts planning a road trip to Arlington National Cemetery to dig up Ted Kennedy and flip him back over. Anyone wanna borrow my shovel?
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    Not unless flipping him over also means dropping him off the coast of Marthas Vineyard.
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    Seriously, Sharkie, Gonz, and the Folks in Massachusetts had a lot at stake yesterday. Without the National Implications of the breaking of the Super Majority, followed by the probable failure of the attempt to pass the President's Healthcare Bill, at least in it's present form, there is still a huge problem that needs to be corrected, at least in my opinion. While I'm torn two ways on the subject, a debate on Term Limits will probably be on the horizon soon. That a Senate Seat became so much a part of one Family, indeed, one individual, that it became known Nationwide as "His" Seat may have been a part of what I would call the Backlash that gave Mr. Brown the edge yesterday......... I wish Mr. Brown and the People of Massachusetts well, it's gonna be interesting.......
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    Here's the thing. This was a statewide election that had national implications.

    The Democrats ran a lackluster candidate who tried at every turn to insult, demean, and alienate a large portion of the electorate here. Additionally, she was pushing for a VERY unpopular idea that this health care "reform" legislation was a good thing. She also promised to push forth Mr. Obama's agenda, which a lot of people are VERY weary of here as shown by his approval ratings tanking in a state that he wond very handily just 14 months ago.

    And a boost to Democracy was found here. Just about half of all registered voters turned out to vote across the state on the day after received several inches of snow, where it snowed all day long, in the middle of January, during a special election. I used to be cynical about how people felt regarding politics here in Massachusetts - I might have to rethink that feeling.

    The election of Mr. Brown will be a cause for Democrats to freak the hell out. They see it as a referendum on their causes and will see it as chance to try to push a lot of things through in the next 11 months until a new Congress is seated. The Republicans will see it as a rallying point, and it just might serve for them to get a few seats in November.

    But statewide here in Massachusetts this is actually quite big. Deval Patrick is our governor, and he is already quite unpopular. The election yesterday will cause him to start crapping bricks. There is a lot of speculation that this year's Census will show us to be continuing to lose population and will likely cause us to lose a Congressional seat. Why is that important? Well, ya see.....In 2012 we will be voting for Mr. Brown to re-elect him AND new Congressional districts. The Dems will tear each other apart over the new Congressional re-districting. Mass. has 11 Democrats and 1 Republican (Mr. Brown) in Congress now. We will likely have a Republican governor as well after November. At this point in time I cannot even begin to fathom the political implications over this - but it will an interesting time in Mass. politics.

    And Ms. Coakley and the Democrats screwed up immensely and outright lied about Mr. Brown regarding his stance on health care "reform." He has never once said that he was against health care "reform" - only the current 2 bills before Congress that give special interest groups and unions exemptions, and treats several states differently than others (just look at Nebraska and Louisiana.) Treat everyone fairly, treat every state fairly, give every state the same benefits, and do it without cutting Medicaid and Medicare, and causing an increase in taxes, and adding to our deficit. And do it now, not pass a bill now that won't take effect for 4 more freaking years .

    And I wonder what affect it will have on President Obama this Fall. His presence did not result in a win here in Massachusetts, or in another heavily Democratic bastion called New Jersey 2 months ago. It also did not help him in his new backyard of Virginia 2 months ago. In all honesty, he is failing on his promises and seems to be going about things the wrong way and it is costing him some hard-earned political clout. I don't know how much clout he will have this Summer when it comes to pushing for some candidates around our great nation.

    Honestly, each state ought to do it themselves as it may be a bit unwieldy for the feds to do a one size fits all. Learn from the way Massachusetts has done it but learn from the mistakes and errors in our system. After all, we have 97%+ of our citizenry covered by any of a wide variety of health care plans - and no state can match that. We may not do a whole lot right here, but you can take something from that - just understand that it will cost a lot of money, and likely more than you THINK it will.
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    I'm aware that you're keeping an eye on this thread.... So I'm hijacking for just a split second to wish the Best for you, Bou, and all the other West Coast Folks on here. The stuff on the Weather Reports that we're getting here looks like you folks are getting beat up pretty bad. Good Luck, Take Care..........
    Right with ya Harve. My original post to scfire was not to bust his b@lls (but I realize it can be seen in that light. Getting 20 inches in a couple of days is ridiculous and leaves you with only two things to do - pray, or laugh at the ridiculousness of the situation.

    He should still buy a boat and put on some floaties though. Be safe and get back here so I can irritate the snot out of you.
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    So this is the breakdown of Massachusetts and how it voted yesterday. You can scroll over the individual 351 cities and towns and see the percentages of the vote.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2010/senate_race/

    My town broke 68% for Scott Brown, 31% for Martha Coakley, 1% for Joe Kennedy.

    I live in Central Massachusetts and this is from our local rag out of Worcester (owned by the New York Times) and its breakdown town by town. Ms. Coakley won 2 towns in its distribution area - Worcester and Harvard.

    http://cf.telegram.com/election/ftp/race_1018.html


    On a slightly different note, I had the pleasure of watch in a re-braodcast of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Madow on MSNBC this morning when I got from work. They look like they need a MASSIVE dose of Prozac to lift them up. After all, it was just Monday night that Keith Olbermann called Scott Brown:

    "In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States."

    It only shows Mr. Olbermann's outright misunderstanding and unwillingness to learn the FACTS about what has occurred here, and the issues he accused Mr. Brown of taking.
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    Virginia, New Jersey, and now Massachusetts. When will the Dems learn that the Tea Party Movement is for real. People are fed up with all the Bu## S##t going on in Washington.

    I try to watch a little bit of Olbermann and Madow just to see what vile crap they are expounding but I can only handle about 60 secs at a time before feeling like I'm going to BARF!

    I think Obama, Reid and Pelosi are dumb enough to try to force the 51 vote "Nuclear Option" on Health Care in the Senate. After yesterdays "Beat Down" are the other Dems dumb enough to follow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    Virginia, New Jersey, and now Massachusetts. When will the Dems learn that the Tea Party Movement is for real. People are fed up with all the Bu## S##t going on in Washington.
    People are fed up. And while the Tea Party movement is real, a lot of people are also just disgusted with an exploding debt, and no politicians - in either party - appearing TRULY willing to reign in deficit spending. A simple look at the cost of paying 1 trillion dollars a year in debt servicing would realize that there is a lot tax cuts and TRUE stimulus that could be done with that money.

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    I try to watch a little bit of Olbermann and Madow just to see what vile crap they are expounding but I can only handle about 60 secs at a time before feeling like I'm going to BARF!
    I never watch Olbermann - and can count the number of times in the past year on 2 fingers that I watched Bill O'Reilly or Hannity. But after the vile filth he spewed forth was being played on the radio yesterday I just had to see the look on his face as he bashed Massachusetss. I bash this place all the time - but I live here and experience the buffoonery that is the engrained status-quo and see the lack of progress that happens here.

    These talking heads are so full of themselves it is nice to see them eat crow and make themselves look like freaking fools.

    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    I think Obama, Reid and Pelosi are dumb enough to try to force the 51 vote "Nuclear Option" on Health Care in the Senate. After yesterdays "Beat Down" are the other Dems dumb enough to follow?
    Red and Pelosi might try to push for a House vote on the already-passed Senate bill - but it will be a tough sell. Even Barney Frank (D-MA) has said that he will not vote for it and the ENTIRE plan needs to go back to the drawing board and they ought to take their time with this. Well DUH! Half the freaking country has been saying this for the past year! About time someone freaking woke up. See, the MAJORITY of the people polled in this nation are NOT against health care reform. They are against the current versions of it that REWARD special interest groups, protect union members' health care from taxation while leaving non-union members out to dry. We are ALL citizens of this nation, and we ALL must pay for it. Make it fair, make it equitable, and stop buying off states with money that makes my state pay more. This is the UNITED States - we are all in this together, not just a couple of states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    The Democrats ran a lackluster candidate who tried at every turn to insult, demean, and alienate a large portion of the electorate here. Additionally, she was pushing for a VERY unpopular idea that this health care "reform" legislation was a good thing. She also promised to push forth Mr. Obama's agenda, which a lot of people are VERY weary of here as shown by his approval ratings tanking in a state that he wond very handily just 14 months ago.

    And a boost to Democracy was found here. Just about half of all registered voters turned out to vote across the state on the day after received several inches of snow, where it snowed all day long, in the middle of January, during a special election. I used to be cynical about how people felt regarding politics here in Massachusetts - I might have to rethink that feeling.

    The election of Mr. Brown will be a cause for Democrats to freak the hell out. They see it as a referendum on their causes and will see it as chance to try to push a lot of things through in the next 11 months until a new Congress is seated. The Republicans will see it as a rallying point, and it just might serve for them to get a few seats in November
    Interestingly, the Democrats are already blaming Coakley for the loss. They need to open their eyes and see that this was another statement against Obama and his policies. Brown ran as opposed tot he heath care plans and that is what got him elected. If this was a one time thing the democrats might have reason to blow it off as a poor campaign. However, this is the third in 3 months. Obama carried MA by 26%, now he lost it by 6%. His promise of the elimination of bi-partisan politics has failed miserably. Just look at how the republicans are kept out of the Health Care ill-reform bill.

    I was impressed by the voter turn out as well. Very well MA. If the democrats ignore this and continue to blame Coakley they will be in for a big surprise in November. Time they wake up and smell the coffee. Here is a novel concept; How about our legislators listen to the people and not special interest groups.

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    Just reading the Boston Hearld and found a statement by Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA) showing that still does not get it. He says they'll still pass the health care "reform" bill. This guy must TRULY have a major case of rectal-cranial inversion!

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    By Jessica Van Sack, Hillary Chabot, Dave Wedge, Richard Weir and Ira Kantor | Wednesday, January 20, 2010 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Local Politics

    Photo by Matthew West
    Upstart Republican Scott Brown rocketed to victory in the race to the U.S. Senate yesterday, steamrolling Attorney General Martha Coakley’s layabout campaign in an against-all-odds triumph that sent shock waves from the Heartland to the White House.

    “I thought it was going to be me against the machine. I was wrong. It’s all of us against the machine,” Brown told rollicking supporters at the Boston Park Plaza Hotel. “You have shown everyone now that you are the machine.”

    Demoralized Democrats were left grappling with the notion of a once-obscure GOP insurgent snatching the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s seat in the so-called bluest state, only to possibly seal the demise of the late senator’s health-care dream - and single-handedly knock President Obama’s agenda off course.

    “I never thought I’d see the day when a Republican replaces Ted Kennedy,” Mayor Thomas M. Menino told the Herald last night. “I think Scott Brown caught the wave of anger that’s out there, and the wave of anti-Obama.”

    A Rasmussen Reports poll found one in five Democrats supported Brown, who benefited from high suburban turnout to beat Coakley by 52 to 47 percent.

    “There is a revolt going on in this country,” gushed GOP activist Bay Buchanan, a former adviser to Gov. Mitt Romney in his presidential bid. “Massachusetts will just inspire the patriot movement.”

    U.S. Rep. Edward Markey, dean of the congressional delegation, vowed to pass the health-care bill despite Brown’s win. “As Sen. Kennedy would say, the cause endures, and the dream will never die,” he said.

    U.S. Rep. Barney Frank bluntly declared, “Martha Coakley was a lousy candidate. She let herself get involved in a personality debate.”

    While Coakley furiously criss-crossed the state yesterday in a desperate bid to make up lost ground, Brown took out the trash and went to the post office - an election-day ritual, according to one aide.

    “We never lost our focus or our determination and . . . you never demonstrated an ounce of complacency as far as I’m concerned,” a “heartbroken” Coakley told disappointed supporters.

    The White House released a statement saying President Obama called Brown and “looks forward to working with him on the urgent economic challenges facing Massachusetts families.”

    But earlier in the day, as Democratic finger-pointing began, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama was “surprised and frustrated” with Coakley’s predicament. “Not pleased,” he added.

    Even Obama’s political Svengali, David Axelrod, gave props to Brown, saying, “As a practitioner in politics, my hat’s off to him.”

    He added, “I think the White House did everything we were asked to do. Had we been asked earlier, we would have responded earlier. But we responded in a timely fashion when we were asked.”

    At Brown’s victory party, his daughter, Ayla of “American Idol” fame, belted out “Dancing in the Street.”

    “He’s run a good campaign and he’s made it clear that the ignorance in Washington has been rejected,” Romney said.

    Predicting a cascade of election surprises throughout the nation, Brown said, “When there’s trouble in Massachusetts, there’s trouble everywhere, and they know it.”

    Alyson Holbrook, 27, of Boston voted for Coakley and said, “I just don’t want Kennedy’s seat to be given away to a Republican.”

    Edward Rzepa of Andover, called Coakley’s campaign “arrogant,” adding, “If Brown turns out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, we can get rid of him in two years.”

    Article URL: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/pol...icleid=1226797
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    So this is the breakdown of Massachusetts and how it voted yesterday. You can scroll over the individual 351 cities and towns and see the percentages of the vote.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2010/senate_race/
    That is an interesting breakdown. Typically, areas with higher population densities vote democrat and lower densities vote republican. Such was not the case here. Boston, Gloucester, Marthas Vineyard (imagine that), and the end of Cape Code (Wonder Why) all went for Coakley, as did the less populated part of Western Mass. The middle part of the state also has the middle of the road in population density as well. Huh, do you suppose the people in the middle are tired of the fringe elements?

    My town broke 68% for Scott Brown, 31% for Martha Coakley, 1% for Joe Kennedy.

    I live in Central Massachusetts and this is from our local rag out of Worcester (owned by the New York Times) and its breakdown town by town. Ms. Coakley won 2 towns in its distribution area - Worcester and Harvard.

    http://cf.telegram.com/election/ftp/race_1018.html


    On a slightly different note, I had the pleasure of watch in a re-braodcast of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Madow on MSNBC this morning when I got from work. They look like they need a MASSIVE dose of Prozac to lift them up. After all, it was just Monday night that Keith Olbermann called Scott Brown:

    "In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States."

    It only shows Mr. Olbermann's outright misunderstanding and unwillingness to learn the FACTS about what has occurred here, and the issues he accused Mr. Brown of taking.

    As for the morning shows. I don't watch that drivel; Did they all bring out their black arm bands again? I'll bet commandant Couric is in seeing the shrink as we speak and getting some medications. Amazing these elitist could be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Red and Pelosi might try to push for a House vote on the already-passed Senate bill - but it will be a tough sell. Even Barney Frank (D-MA) has said that he will not vote for it and the ENTIRE plan needs to go back to the drawing board and they ought to take their time with this. Well DUH! Half the freaking country has been saying this for the past year! About time someone freaking woke up. See, the MAJORITY of the people polled in this nation are NOT against health care reform. They are against the current versions of it that REWARD special interest groups, protect union members' health care from taxation while leaving non-union members out to dry. We are ALL citizens of this nation, and we ALL must pay for it. Make it fair, make it equitable, and stop buying off states with money that makes my state pay more. This is the UNITED States - we are all in this together, not just a couple of states.
    That would be political suicide for many. Especially given that Reid is falling fast. Pelosi comes form the land of OZ where many have the heads so far in the clouds they would follow here blindly. She might survive such a stupid stunt. I think this election will make these democrats sit up and take notice. I'll bet publicly they will downplay it, privately there will be an entirely different discussion. Pat attention in the next few weeks, their actions will speak louder than their words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    U.S. Rep. Edward Markey, dean of the congressional delegation, vowed to pass the health-care bill despite Brown’s win. “As Sen. Kennedy would say, the cause endures, and the dream will never die,” he said.

    U.S. Rep. Barney Frank bluntly declared, “Martha Coakley was a lousy candidate. She let herself get involved in a personality debate.”
    Now isn't that funny!! When Obama won it was as statment about the issues and how Americans felt. Now that Brown A republican has won it isn't about the issues, its about finding a scapegoat. If these knuckleheads were so concerned why weren't they helping her? And not for nothing, she won 47% of the vote in the primary; if she was bad then how bad were the losers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    That is an interesting breakdown. Typically, areas with higher population densities vote democrat and lower densities vote republican. Such was not the case here. Boston, Gloucester, Marthas Vineyard (imagine that), and the end of Cape Code (Wonder Why) all went for Coakley, as did the less populated part of Western Mass. The middle part of the state also has the middle of the road in population density as well. Huh, do you suppose the people in the middle are tired of the fringe elements?

    Well, Martha Coakley was born in Pittsfield (WAY out in the Western part of the state) and was raised in North Adams. She moved to Eastern Mass. and has had a distinguished law career - but began to play politics too much in the past few years. And she payed dearly for it. As I noted several posts ago, her failure to aggressively prosecute a Somerville cop for sodomizing a 2 year old with a hot curling iron, her push to keep a most-likely innocent man in jail for 2 more years on questionable charges, her resistance to implement a commision to review prior court cases a-la the Innocence Project, her failure to aggressively pursue the crooks behing the Big Dig that allowed a $2 billion project to end up costing $15 billion and BANKRUPTING this state. She failed in the position she held as Attorney General and her blind allegiance to the Democratic ideology burned her.

    Sadly I felt for her last night. She believed in much of what she was doing and what she was running for - and for any candidate to have to give a concession speech plain sucks, but that is part of the game. You will either win or you will lose. But it is hard to just walk away like that, and she knew that her political career ended last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    And not for nothing, she won 47% of the vote in the primary; if she was bad then how bad were the losers?
    They flat out sucked. Depite two of them being multi-millionaires, injecting millions of their own dollars into the campaigns, and trying to project themselves as "men of the people" they screwed it up.

    At least Martha Coakley grew up in a middle-class family and worked hard to get where she is. Her financial disclosures show she has very little money personally to speak of. Her husband is a retired Cambridge Police Department Deputy Superintendent (sort of like a Deputy Chief.) She is a blue-collar done good sort of woman - but she allowed herself to be pulled around by special interests. The unions dumped MILLIONS into her campaign. NARAL, and other special interest groups typically beholden to the Dems dumped MILLIONS into her campaign.

    Scott Brown got very little money from special interest groups. Hell, his average donation was like $80 per donor. He got 3 big union endorsements - the Massachusetts State Police, and the Worcester Police Unions. Even the "Tea Party Movement" only had individual donors giving some money here.

    If the Republicans actually woke the hell up last night, and actually pay freaking attention and are honest, listen to the voters, and do some old-fashioned ground pounding, and hand shaking they might actually win a few more seats.

    The Dems might do the same if they stop sucking MILLIONS of dollars from the teachers unions, SEIU, AFL-CIO, and the others. Stop saying the Republicans are beholden to special interests, while ignoring those special interests of your own.

    Scott Brown just held a news conference saying he is not "beholden to anyone." He is essentially correct. No major endorsements, little actual help from the Republican party, little help from any major Republican players, no large union support. He actually has the ability to look you in the eye and say he is fairly independent - unlike the vast majority of politicians.

    In 3 years when he is up for re-election, if he keeps his promises made and stays un-beholden (is that a word? ) and works for ALL residents of Massachusetts he can actually say he did some good. And if he is re-elected it will be just as big a coup as his win last night.
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    Just happy to see a pro-choice candidate get supported by the GOP. That tells me the wacko evangelical wing of the party is losing its grip.
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    Just happy to see a pro-choice candidate get supported by the GOP. That tells me the wacko evangelical wing of the party is losing its grip.
    He is not the most pro-choice guy. He is against late-term abortions which NARAL and others on the left side of the aisle so adamantly defend. So that makes him an enemy of the Democrats and the left. He is right though, abortion/Roe vs. Wade is established law. Like it or not.

    I find it a loathsome procedure and detest it, but that is a personal choice and the mother/father/family has to deal with the repurcussions of that decision - good, bad, or indifferent. There are actually numerous studies showing a significant mental strain over this decision, and in dealing with after effects of this decision - something many on the left that are true, die-hard supporters of abortion (including NARAL / Planned Parenthood) never acknowledge. I see it frequently when I assess my patients and many look at me and whisper or shamefully admit to having had an abortion. It's a tough choice, and no one should ever demean them for it.

    But one issue should never be the only reason to vote for someone. There were a myriad of reasons people voted for Mr. Brown - myself included. It was not one reason in specific. It was not that I am a conservative. It was not any one reason that pushed us to vote for him - it was so many issues that all came together over the past few years. That is what these talking heads on Fox, MSNBC, CNN, et. al, do not get. There is just so much crap that has happened in this state in the past 4 years or so that just came together to create a boiling point that swept across this state. Even many of the local talking heads here on WRKO and WTKK (the big local talk radio stations) don't necessarily seem to understand that point. We have had so many corrupt politicians, increased taxes, lackluster politicians, being taken for granted, increasing costs of living, and an economy that has truly been stagnant for several years. It just wore people down and we got sick of it.

    P.S. You and the family all OK? In all seriousness, and not meant to be an @$$ kissing here. I can send you my Kayaks if you need them to get around Southern California. Gonz might be able to fly out there with a plane that has pontoons on it. From the news I have seen you guys need it. I'll even send you a couple of Scott Brown for U.S. Senate signs to use as a paddle. Hee hee. Stay safe man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    He is not the most pro-choice guy. He is right though, abortion/Roe vs. Wade is established law. Like it or not.
    From his website:

    Abortion While this decision should ultimately be made by the woman in consultation with her doctor, I believe we need to reduce the number of abortions in America. I believe government has the responsibility to regulate in this area and I support parental consent and notification requirements and I oppose partial birth abortion. I also believe there are people of good will on both sides of the issue and we ought to work together to support and promote adoption as an alternative to abortion.
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    I find it a loathsome procedure and detest it, but that is a personal choice and the mother/father/family has to deal with the repurcussions of that decision - good, bad, or indifferent.
    Agreed on all counts.

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    P.S. You and the family all OK? In all seriousness, and not meant to be an @$$ kissing here. I can send you my Kayaks if you need them to get around Southern California.
    Yeah. We had a tornado touch down in our city yesterday. Not for very long. I joked with a neighbor that even our tornadoes are stupid. It was nowhere near a trailer park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Agreed on all counts.
    Holy freaking sh y te Batman. We agree? What is next? You going to vote for Sarah Palin? (Just kidding, I didn't vote for her in 2008, and won't in the future.)

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Yeah. We had a tornado touch down in our city yesterday. Not for very long. I joked with a neighbor that even our tornadoes are stupid. It was nowhere near a trailer park.
    Why is it they always hit trailer parks? I think we ought to fund a government study to look into this. It's like there is a wind magnet around these areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Holy freaking sh y te Batman. We agree? What is next? You going to vote for Sarah Palin? (Just kidding, I didn't vote for her in 2008, and won't in the future.)
    I know you have more sense than to vote for her. I wouldn't be surprised to see another MA alum make a run for president. Mitt Romney.

    From what I've read, Brown is a very liberal conservative if one accepts the benchmark put forth by the tea baggers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I know you have more sense than to vote for her. I wouldn't be surprised to see another MA alum make a run for president. Mitt Romney.
    Quite possible - but even Mitt Romney is not the most popular guy here. He left in 2006 to prepare to run for President.

    No Massachusetts Republican is a died in the wool, radical right-winger. They are actually fairly middle-of-the-road. A bit socially liberal, and pretty conservative fiscally.

    People forget that while he was Governor here for 4 years he refused a paycheck - as did his Lieutenant Governor. If he ever were to be elected President I think he would do the same. He is an independently wealthy man. He is conservative, but not radically so. He may not be the best guy to ever be Governor of the Commonwealth but also was by no means the worst guy - especially given the pathetic "leadership" of Mike Dukakis and Deval Patrick.

    As for Sarah Palin, I just read an article on teh Boston Herald's web site that said some were thinking that in 2012 there might be a Palin/Brown ticket. These people are stupid. Sarah Palin is way too looney for most folks - even Republicans and this would be a guaranteed loser of a ticket. And Scott Brown wants to serve Massachusetts for the short term.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    From what I've read, Brown is a very liberal conservative if one accepts the benchmark put forth by the tea baggers.
    His is moderate conservate - but when your compare that some of the moronic ideologues on the right he is pretty liberal. His victory speech last night was bit weird and screwy - and I voted for the guy. I think he is not used to teleprompters because every time he used one in the campaign recently he was flustered by them. But when you watched him during the debates and even this morning's press conference you see a well-meaning guy who says what he means and doesn't talk out of the other side of his mouth like a lot of politicians do.

    I think the Republicans will honestly have a bit of difficulty to get him in "lock-step" because Mr. Brown is smart enough to know that if he goes off the deep end he won't be back there in 3 years. And folks on BOTH sides of the aisle will be smart if they pay attention to how he acts and not just do what Mrs. Speaker Pelosi and Mr. Leader Reid say they ought to. Use your brain, act in the interest of your constituency and NOT in the interest of your political party and you might actually get some respect from the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Just happy to see a pro-choice candidate get supported by the GOP. That tells me the wacko evangelical wing of the party is losing its grip.
    A 2x4 wouldn't tell you anything. So all the leftist BS aside, proabortion is actually your core issue. Tells a lot. And discredits all the other posturing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    A 2x4 wouldn't tell you anything. So all the leftist BS aside, proabortion is actually your core issue. Tells a lot. And discredits all the other posturing.
    Not at all. It's a been a litmus test for conservatives for at least the last two decades.

    If anything, Brown's support by those who have made being pro-life a litmus test have shown it is not as core an issue if the alternative means a possible victory in defeating a Dem.

    Like your Wizard of Oz counterpart, you continue to show you have no clue.

    Run along. Millie's bell is ringing telling you she's waiting. Stick to animal husbandry. Something you know well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Why is it they always hit trailer parks? I think we ought to fund a government study to look into this. It's like there is a wind magnet around these areas.
    Thought you would appreciate this photo. This is about 25 miles south of me. Taken yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Thought you would appreciate this photo. This is about 25 miles south of me. Taken yesterday.
    Holy Cow. My mom is in OC and she says that is crazy.
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