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    Lightbulb 2009 AFG Cost Allowances

    As the process has been going on I have been compiling a list of funding limits on various AFG equipment etc., based on what has been posted or gleamed through applications. I have posted what I have compiled to date. You will see that some items show the max. based on a reduction and the rest based on the highest figure seen. If you have anything to add post it and I'll update the list. Hopefully, by the time 2010 AFG arrives a substantial list can be deveolped so folks will know what limits will be acceptable.

    Please post changes based on a reduction in the budget or have recieved a 1199A that would dispute the highest figure posted.

    1) Please stick to 2009 awards.

    2) If you post something that has been reduced if you could mark as such, that way I can put it on the list as the max. amount.

    3) If you supply info on apparatus just provide a small description so it can be catergorized better. Have 2-2009 quick attack units, both with reduced amounts that are different. Maybe 1 has CAFS the other not, maybe 1 is 2 door and the other 4 door for ex.
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    Onebugle-

    Great assistance for all! I'll add my items for you:

    4" LDH, 100' $550.00 per
    1.5 or 1.75" 50' (I'm leaning 1.75 for reduced friction loss) $125.00 per
    2.5" 50' $160.00 per
    Portable master stream device (1250 gpm) $4,000.00
    Hose storage rack $2,000.00

    None were reduced, actual requested amounts.

    My reduction was AED's to the $2,500.00

    Keep up the GREAT work! Provides a lot of assistance for all!

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    Ambulance was reduced to $123,500. We applied for $142,010.

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    As usual your superior geekdom is shining through Andy. :-}

    We were reduced on EMS coats meeting nfpa 1999, ansi II & astm bloodbourne pathogen protection , requested 300, reduced to 280. structural helmets to 200 from 250 requested.
    The rest of the turnouts were in line with what you have on the list.

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    bugle,

    Did you find my thread on this topic from a few years back? I had listed a good bunch of these in an attachment as well. I have some others I can update.

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    Here's some things I have 1199a with no reduction on but are higher than you have listed or are things you don't have...

    2.5" stacked tip nozzles- $650
    1 3/4" hose- $235 (50' section)
    Blitz monitors- $3,500
    Deck gun/monitor- $3,800
    Hose coupling machine- $7,500

    From last year--
    TurboDrafts- $2,462
    Intake valves- $2,375

    There's a LOT of handy information right there, that's for sure.

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    2006 AFG
    Portable radios $600.00
    Mobile radios $900.00
    TIC $11,000.00
    Structural gear complete $2,125.00
    Jumpsuits/Coveralls wildland gear $ 260
    Wildland Boots $ 190
    Wildland Gloves $ 23
    Wildland Helmets $ 37
    Wildland Goggles $15
    Flashlights $ 130
    SCBA Face Pieces $ 550
    SCBA --30 minutes with face piece-With extra bottle $ 5,400

    2008 AFG
    Stretchers, Backboards, Splints, etc. $ 500.00 (RIT Rescue Stretcher)
    Powered/Mechanical Extrication Tools/Equipment $ 5,100 (Hand powered/hydraulic forcible entry tools)
    Stretchers, Backboards, Splints, etc. $ 500 (Rescue stokes and spyder straps)
    Ropes, Harnesses, Carabiners, Pulleys, etc. $ 4,200 (Search Rope packages (ropes/ropes bags, carabiners, downed FF harnesses, etc))
    RIT Pack $ 3,000 (bags, 60min cylinder, regulator)
    Power Saws $ 2,500 (K12 saws)
    Thermal Imaging Devices $ 10,000
    Portable Radios $ 600

    2008 AFG
    Quick Attack/Mini pumper w/CAFS $140,000.00

    2009 AFG
    Cutter $ 5,000 - Requested $5,500 and reduced $500 to $5,000
    Spreader $ 8,000 - This is amount requested and no reduction
    Combo-Tool $ 5,100 - Requested $6,500 and reduced $1,400 to $5,100
    Power Unit $ 7,500 (AC powered pump to run 3 tools simultaneously) - Requested $9,500 and reduced $2,000 to $7,500
    Power Unit $ 6,500 (Gas powered pump for off-road use, 2 tool simultaneous operation) - Requested $8,000 and reduced $1,500 to $6,500
    Various Supplies $ 3,500 (Electric rewind HRT hose reels for installation in truck) - This is amount requested and no reduction
    Hydraulic Hose $ 500 (30' hoses for use with gas pump) - This is amount requested and no reduction
    Various Supplies $ 4,750 (HRT Rams) - This is amount requested and no reduction
    Various Supplies $ 3,500 (Various quick connect fittings and manifold valves for HRTs) - This is amount requested and no reduction
    Stabalization Kit $ 4,000 - This is amount requested and no reduction
    Air Bag System $ 11,000 - This is amount requested an no reduction


    These are the amounts allowed or reduced to by FEMA. This is full price not FEMA's match.
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    Thanks guys. If you post something that has been reduced if you could mark as such, that way I can put it on the list as the max. amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLY4420 View Post
    bugle,

    Did you find my thread on this topic from a few years back? I had listed a good bunch of these in an attachment as well. I have some others I can update.
    I knew this had been done in the past, but couldn't remember who did it.

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    A couple of other things:

    1) Please stick to 2009 awards.

    2) If you supply info on apparatus just provide a small description so it can be catergorized better. Have 2-2009 quick attack units, both with reduced amounts that are different. Maybe 1 has CAFS the other not, maybe 1 is 2 door and the other 4 door for ex.
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    Bugle,

    The quick attack/mini pumper, wrote by BC79er was stated in the narrative like this...."This apparatus will consist of a diesel engine, 4x4 chassis, 4 doors, automatic transmission, 300 gallon water supply and a single line C.A.F.S. system, with a rescue style body."
    There was no reduction in the amount requested of $140,000 ($7,000 dept match $133,000 fema funds)

    As far as this years stuff I will go back to my earlier post and post next to it the original amount requested and the amount reduced to.

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    For 2008 AFG
    Face Fit Test Machine 10,500 -no reduction
    Spare SCBA Facepieces with voice Amps 500- no reductions
    Cold Water Rescue Suits 525- no reductions

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    All these items were reduced for 2009

    Wildland coat...................$200.
    Wildland pants..................$189.
    Wildland boots..................$300.
    Wildland Helmet................$48.
    Wildland Goggles...............$38.
    Canteens........................$66.
    Fire Shelters....................$385.
    Pack/Harness...................$93.

    My regional communications equipment was not reduced and am holding my breath that it isn't even though I have sent in my 10 Q's.

    Some have had repeaters reductions that were lower than what I was allowed. There may be a reason however with all that is involved with a repeater.
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    Our quick attack has been reduced to $125,000. It is for a crew cab, 4x4, automatic, 500gpm minimum pump, 300 gallons of water.

    Kelly

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    Quote Originally Posted by medstudent13 View Post
    Ambulance was reduced to $123,500. We applied for $142,010.
    Guess I should have wrote it was for a type 3 4x4 new unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imafireman View Post
    Our quick attack has been reduced to $125,000. It is for a crew cab, 4x4, automatic, 500gpm minimum pump, 300 gallons of water.

    Kelly
    That's where ours got reduced to a couple of years ago. It appears they've not changed it.

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    Helmets $ 200 LOWERED

    Coats $ 900 LOWERED

    Pants $ 680

    Hoods $ 40 LOWERED

    Gloves $ 72

    Goggles $ 50 LOWERED (I think)

    Flashlights $ 87


    ANSI Traffic Vests $ 27


    Boots $ 277


    Jumpsuits/Coveralls $ 399

    Canteens $ 80

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    Guys, Thanks for the info that has been supplied so far.

    As the process has been going on, I have been compiling a list for 2009 for funding limits on various AFG equipment etc. I have posted what I have compiled to date. You will see that some items show the max. based on a reduction and the rest based on the highest figure seen. If you have anything to add post it and I'll update the list. Hopefully, by the time 2010 AFG arrives a substantial list can be deveolped so folks will know what limits will be acceptable.

    1) Please post changes based on a reduction in the budget or recieved a 1199A that would dispute the highest figure posted.

    2) Please stick to 2009 awards.

    3) If you post something that has been reduced; if you could mark as such, that way I can put it on the list as the max. amount.

    3) If you supply info on apparatus just provide a small description so it can be catergorized better.
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    Mechanical CPR devices $15,750
    Stair-Chair w/ tracks $2,936

    Rec'd 1199A, no reductions on those items.

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    Mobile Compressor/Cascade System $70,000
    Station Compressor/Cascade System $40,000

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    Anyone have a maximum allowable amount on a portable pump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wischief View Post
    Anyone have a maximum allowable amount on a portable pump?
    Do you mean a portable fire rated pump or a water supply pump? Big difference between them.

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    A portable low pressure,high volume water supply pump for filling tankers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onebugle View Post
    Guys, Thanks for the info that has been supplied so far.

    As the process has been going on, I have been compiling a list for 2009 for funding limits on various AFG equipment etc. I have posted what I have compiled to date. You will see that some items show the max. based on a reduction and the rest based on the highest figure seen. If you have anything to add post it and I'll update the list. Hopefully, by the time 2010 AFG arrives a substantial list can be deveolped so folks will know what limits will be acceptable.

    1) Please post changes based on a reduction in the budget or recieved a 1199A that would dispute the highest figure posted.

    2) Please stick to 2009 awards.

    3) If you post something that has been reduced; if you could mark as such, that way I can put it on the list as the max. amount.

    3) If you supply info on apparatus just provide a small description so it can be catergorized better.
    Onebugle, just an FYI, my cardiac monitor was not reduced by AFG. I put in for $30,000 and they left it at that.

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