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    Default Bullard Eclipse Ultra-Small Handheld Thermal Imager

    Bullard Eclipse Ultra-Small Handheld Thermal Imager

    any one have any experience with these units?

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    Quote Originally Posted by volfireman034 View Post
    Bullard Eclipse Ultra-Small Handheld Thermal Imager

    any one have any experience with these units?
    No experience with it here. I was intrigued until I saw it was selling for the low low price of only $4500.

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    Why would the low price change your intrigue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by volfireman034 View Post
    Why would the low price change your intrigue?
    It was sarcasm. My volunteer department still is without a TIC, and with the ad I saw, this was being promoted for each firefighter to carry. So I was hoping for it to be cheaper than that, as I think $4500 is still out of the departments price range. It does look like a cool idea though, for departments that are able to afford it. I just read some reviews and people seem to like it.

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    Dennis Stout from bullard was in my station the other day with it. It seems to have potential if you can keep in mind it is meant as a personal camera, introductary and not meant to be anvil proof as the higher end cameras are.

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    lol i figured it was but atleast $4,500 is closer to what many depts can afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volfireman034 View Post
    lol i figured it was but atleast $4,500 is closer to what many depts can afford.
    Oh I agree. $4500 is a lot closer to what many departments can afford, but I believe its still out of my dpartments price range

    LT2387, yeah I understand its a personal camera. The ad I sawe in FH magazine last night said something along the lines of the officer having the full size TIC, and eacgh firefighter having one of these. I think that's a cool idea, just not feasible for a lot of smaller departments.

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    I've got one coming within a few weeks. I'll let you know what I think of it.

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    The Massachusetts Firefighting Academy has one they are trying out. I got to see it in action on the recruit program thermal imaging day (I had the "hot side; lit and stoked the fire all day). It is small, but it works just as well as the larger cameras.
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    My department has a few on the way as well. Will report back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATFDFF View Post
    I've got one coming within a few weeks. I'll let you know what I think of it.
    Are you buying your own? Or is your Dept buying a few?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    Oh I agree. $4500 is a lot closer to what many departments can afford, but I believe its still out of my dpartments price range

    LT2387, yeah I understand its a personal camera. The ad I sawe in FH magazine last night said something along the lines of the officer having the full size TIC, and eacgh firefighter having one of these. I think that's a cool idea, just not feasible for a lot of smaller departments.
    I agree totally. Looking at getting into Thermal imaging it seems to be more beneficial to get two and put tics on two engines vs one.

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    The Georgia Fire Academy has 5 or 6 that live fire instructors use during aquired structure burns. This is the only area I have expirience with these cameras in, so that is what I will share.

    Overall, not a bad camera. One major downfall is that they do not actualy give a temprature reading in degrees, only the contrasting colors. It is small, lightweight and easy to carry on a retractable lanyard.

    Not a bad camera in my opinion. The best option? I don't think so. But for the money I dont think it can be beat.
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    Is that one firefighter proof?
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    Short of a pry bar, I have yet to find anything firefighter proof. Ok, I take that back, I have seen destroyed pry bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Short of a pry bar, I have yet to find anything firefighter proof. Ok, I take that back, I have seen destroyed pry bars.
    I was gonna call you on that one before you did it yourself. I've seen many a pry bar that had a nice arc to it, and a few that were just plain broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Is that one firefighter proof?
    I contacted Sears and neither the i5 Thermal Imaging Camera or i40 Thermal Imaging Camera are rated for entry of a working fire. The lady I spoke with seemed to have answered this question before.
    I would guess you would end up with a $2,000 - $4,000 paper weight, if you tried to use it in a house fire.

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    Who rates them for entry into a fire? Not NFPA....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Who rates them for entry into a fire? Not NFPA....
    At current there is no standard on cameras, it is in discussion though. When that does happen cameras will be $12,000 again

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Who rates them for entry into a fire? Not NFPA....
    The "laws of physics" do. If the materials the camera is made of melts into a puddle of plastic, or the steam shorts the electronics it will be of little use in a fire. The cameras used in the fire service at least go through a live fire test. The lady stated these cameras were designed for HVAC home inspections. The tone in her voice indicated someone may have already tried using them for firefighting.

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    Pretty much my point originally. Is cheaper better? How do we know? hands on testing is pretty much the only way.

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    With a tool or appliance I would agree, but a $2000 piece of electronics would need support from the manufacture. In this case the housing may not stand up to the rigger of fire fighting. There may not be a consolidated standard yet, but the manufacturers know they will not get repeat business if it is not durable. IMHO

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