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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Cool story. I live in baton rouge but my department isn't in baton rouge. I have a fairly long commute and Ive seen your district, it's fairly similar to mine. We have yet to and odds are we will never need to do things we consistently train for but if life has taught us anything, you can bet against the odds and win.

    Never been much of a gambler. Always prefeered a surer bet.

    Maybe that's part of the reason we disagree.


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    I find it hypocritical to call our method a gamble. Your gambling that it will NEVER happen while we would rather not gamble and stay prepared.

    Whose the gambler? The team who won't practice and train for a team out their confrence with a horrible record because odds are they'll never face them, or a team who covers as much ground as possible so they'll never be caught off guard. Call it a "sure bet". Most call it lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    I find it hypocritical to call our method a gamble. Your gambling that it will NEVER happen while we would rather not gamble and stay prepared.

    Whose the gambler? The team who won't practice and train for a team out their confrence with a horrible record because odds are they'll never face them, or a team who covers as much ground as possible so they'll never be caught off guard. Call it a "sure bet". Most call it lazy.
    I really don't want to get into this .. again.

    PIAL has no problems with my combo departments training hours. They are among the highest in the state for a department of our size and composistion. That's not me saying that, that's the folks who look at our records. Same with certifications. Our bonus credits for certifications attests to that.

    We train on what we respond to. We don't train on what we do not respond to. Good or bad, that's the way we operate.

    We are very good at residental fires. We train for commercial fires, but simply do to a lack of experience caused by a lack of jobs, I'm sure there are departments that are better. We are extremly good at extrication and fairly good, considering the number of actual operations we perform, at technical rescue. We do spend a lot of money and time training on it though. I wasn't referring to gambling in terms of training. I'll match my combo department to most any day.

    My volunteer department is getting there but we still have some shortcomings, and we know what they are.

    I simply do not see the need to take risks for property if there is any doubt about resopurces or abilities. You seem too. Unless there is a known life hazard, I do not see the need to operate in an abondoned building. You do. To me those are risks that we simply do not need to take. To me, that is gambling. That's my perspective and always will be.

    Have a nice day.

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    This horse we are beating is dead. Long since. No more good can come of this, so I say lets bury it and continue on. We have our different beliefs, practices, and ways of being. We will never agree on the ways of the world, and there will be many more topics to argue over, which is fine in itself. When we dispute operating techniques and such, at least different points of view can be seen and learned by. But at this stage in the game, all we are doing is throwing mud. Next horse please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg55 View Post
    Next horse please!

    Fog nozzles suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Fog nozzles suck.
    Ugh, only you......Lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Fog nozzles suck.
    Crap...I was this close to posting a "which is better?"... TIming is everything

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    Federal Model 17 or Dietz Model 211?











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    3/4 Boots! T.C.

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    2 hoods vs. no hood!

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    presentation helmet.

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    Real men go interior to.... take a feed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty11 View Post
    Real men go interior to.... take a feed.

    which means no air packs for car fires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiampo View Post
    which means no air packs for car fires.
    which of course translates; all ff's must ride the tail board!

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    TP in the firehouse $#!thouse stalls.... should the roll come over the top or out from the bottom?
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    TP in the firehouse $#!thouse stalls.... should the roll come over the top or out from the bottom?
    a burning newspaper must be thrown underneath to determine this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tny1771 View Post
    a burning newspaper must be thrown underneath to determine this...
    ok I understand now, I was "doing it wrong". but......

    should the chinstrap really be fastened???

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty11 View Post
    ok I understand now, I was "doing it wrong". but......

    should the chinstrap really be fastened???
    Unfastened silly! anything else is simply unsexy, just like those yellow vests.

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    Chevron speedos!
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Chevron speedos!
    Gang showers.
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