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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I won't even discuss his macho "we're fireman" tone ......
    Good idea.


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    This is beautiful and truer words were never spoken. TESTIFY BROTHER! TESTIFY!

    I am seriously considering adding this to my Power Point presentation for FFI.

    Thanks for posting this link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    You wouldnt know a real nozzle if someone shoved it up your a s s and used it as an enigma.
    Enema. He IS an enigma,T.C.

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    HEY!!! let's get back off-topic!

    RED or yellow??

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    he see's red when some one whose belly isn't yellow does their job?
    is that good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I agree with him, to a limted extent, in thoery.

    Yes, we need to be trained. Not once have I said that we should not be. What I have said is that we need to be trained to the level of firefighting the department wishes to perform. We need to be trained to conduct the operations our departments perform. And we need to be fully trained in operations that are relevant to buildings in hazards in the district utilizing ther equipment and apparatus the department operates.

    So yes, that means a very small department with a limited structurak stock ansd limited amount of equipemnt needs to be trained to that level. meaning if they never come within 2o miles of a hydrant, and there are many departments like that, they don't need hydrant ops. If they don;'t own a K12 gueess what .....

    Most of you disagree with me on that but the reality is that the vasy majority of the firefighters in this counrty are volunteers with a limited amount of time. And you all know where I'm headed with that ....

    As far as fitness, it would be wonderful if ecery FF in this country was a speciman.

    The fact is his post is unrealistic.

    I won't even discuss his macho "we're fireman" tone ......
    Here is where we disagree. Basic fire ops such as: fire attack, search and rescue, water movement, ladders, ventilation, and forcible entry should ALWAYS be taught as part of a "Recruit" training program.

    The first fire department I was on was a small rural fire department that ran a 1950 500 gpm front mount pumper, a 1937 500 gpm mid mount pumper, and a 1949 2000 gallon tanker that was a converted fuel truck. Can you say your VFD has worse than that for apparatus? We had 4 SCBA, rubber coats, pull up boots, and MSA meltaway helmets. Guess what? We did interior fire attack and search and rescue. Perhaps not pushing as deep as we do today with much better PPE and SCBA. We worked over time, a little at a time to improve PPE, SCBA, equipment and apparatus. But we didn't allow ourselves to be handicapped and forego basic fireground ops because we were small and had less than stellar equipment.

    Of course the vast amount of firefighters in this country are volunteers. The difference between you and me is you see that as an excuse for substandard fire protection in some areas and I don't. If you are claiming to be a firefighter be a well trained firefighter no matter what level your FD is at. There is no excuse for being substandard in your personal skills as a firefighter other than laziness or apathy.

    Physical fitness is an interesting topic and another one of those things that seems to be tossed around and around. Volunteers say you can't control my life and career guys go the Union. My feel is we owe it to the citizens we protect to be in at least good enough physical condition to do the job. Whether career or volly being in fairly good shape also help guarantee your own survival. Seems prudent to me.

    His post is totally realistic for firefighters who want to do the job and unrealistic for those who prefer excuses over performance.

    You may not like the macho "we're firemen" tone but it is true. We are expected to go in and save people, we are expected to save people's property. People don't call us because things are going good. They call us to get them out of whatever mess they find themselves in. Being macho doesn't mean being suicidal, stupid, reckless, unskilled, or untrained. It means doing what has to be done, when it can be done. We all recognize there will be times we simply can't or shouldn't enter a burning building. The difference is merely the degree of when we can or should enter. Your standard is much stricter than mine. Yet after 33 years I am still here and relatively unscathed. Tell me how that can be...An aggressive firefighter, with 33 years of experience and relatively few minor injuries. In your world that should be impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Tell me how that can be...An aggressive firefighter, with 33 years of experience and relatively few minor injuries. In your world that should be impossible.
    He's never seen a firefighter when he looks in the mirror, so to him, it could never happen or exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Here is where we disagree. Basic fire ops such as: fire attack, search and rescue, water movement, ladders, ventilation, and forcible entry should ALWAYS be taught as part of a "Recruit" training program.

    The first fire department I was on was a small rural fire department that ran a 1950 500 gpm front mount pumper, a 1937 500 gpm mid mount pumper, and a 1949 2000 gallon tanker that was a converted fuel truck. Can you say your VFD has worse than that for apparatus? We had 4 SCBA, rubber coats, pull up boots, and MSA meltaway helmets. Guess what? We did interior fire attack and search and rescue. Perhaps not pushing as deep as we do today with much better PPE and SCBA. We worked over time, a little at a time to improve PPE, SCBA, equipment and apparatus. But we didn't allow ourselves to be handicapped and forego basic fireground ops because we were small and had less than stellar equipment.

    Of course the vast amount of firefighters in this country are volunteers. The difference between you and me is you see that as an excuse for substandard fire protection in some areas and I don't. If you are claiming to be a firefighter be a well trained firefighter no matter what level your FD is at. There is no excuse for being substandard in your personal skills as a firefighter other than laziness or apathy.

    Physical fitness is an interesting topic and another one of those things that seems to be tossed around and around. Volunteers say you can't control my life and career guys go the Union. My feel is we owe it to the citizens we protect to be in at least good enough physical condition to do the job. Whether career or volly being in fairly good shape also help guarantee your own survival. Seems prudent to me.

    His post is totally realistic for firefighters who want to do the job and unrealistic for those who prefer excuses over performance.

    You may not like the macho "we're firemen" tone but it is true. We are expected to go in and save people, we are expected to save people's property. People don't call us because things are going good. They call us to get them out of whatever mess they find themselves in. Being macho doesn't mean being suicidal, stupid, reckless, unskilled, or untrained. It means doing what has to be done, when it can be done. We all recognize there will be times we simply can't or shouldn't enter a burning building. The difference is merely the degree of when we can or should enter. Your standard is much stricter than mine. Yet after 33 years I am still here and relatively unscathed. Tell me how that can be...An aggressive firefighter, with 33 years of experience and relatively few minor injuries. In your world that should be impossible.
    You view the job in your way, I view it in mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You view the job in your way, I view it in mine.
    Your view is only held by you. The rest of us viewed the job as a firefighter, not a fire spectator.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Hell, even this guy makes LA look like a wussy, and he is a fracking politician.

    Mass. Lt. Gov. Pulls Kids From Burning Minivan
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    Posted: Wed, 01/05/2011 - 10:42am
    Updated: Wed, 01/05/2011 - 10:47am
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    WORCESTER, Mass. --

    This wasn't part of the job description when Timothy Murray was voted lieutenant governor of Massachusetts.

    Murray is being hailed for pulling two children out of a burning minivan in Worcester, about 40 miles west of Boston.

    Murray was driving through his hometown at about 7 p.m. on Tuesday when he noticed smoke and flames coming from a parked minivan's tire.

    He stopped and called 911, then heard someone yell that there were children inside. Murray helped the children out of the van, and brought them to their grandmother, who had been driving. He tells The Telegram & Gazette she told him she was worried that he was trying to steal the car or the kids and was "about to punch him."

    Firefighters arrived seconds later to put out the fire, which they called minor.

    Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
    Good grief! Even a democratic politician in a suit from (gasp!) Massachusetts can get the job done! I hope he didn't get a booboo in the process!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Here is where we disagree. Basic fire ops such as: fire attack, search and rescue, water movement, ladders, ventilation, and forcible entry should ALWAYS be taught as part of a "Recruit" training program.
    And it shouldn't end just at the recruit training program! A lot of training relies on the basics and yet that is what most people forget and don't want to train on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Good grief! Even a democratic politician in a suit from (gasp!) Massachusetts can get the job done! I hope he didn't get a booboo in the process!

    I guess Real men no matter what their job, are willing to risk a lot to save others, without any thought to their own safety. Its just sad that the yard breathing safety sallies, who are suppose to be "Masters of their craft" are unwilling or just unable to do the same and they call themselves FF. The day I will let a politician show me up will be a cold day in hell.
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    I run around in circles waving my arms frantically and screaming like a girl, if that is my assignment for the tour.
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    i check my firehouse forum in every fire.
    thats a fully involved abandoned structure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    I run around in circles waving my arms frantically and screaming like a girl, if that is my assignment for the tour.
    Strange. Were you watching me today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    Strange. Were you watching me today?
    He has been watching me..... (no pedo)

    snowball has given me hope as a girl, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    I run around in circles waving my arms frantically and screaming like a girl, if that is my assignment for the tour.
    We usually sit in the cab crying and sucking our thumbs till the Safety Officer shows up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnVBFD View Post
    We usually sit in the cab crying and sucking our thumbs till the Safety Officer shows up...
    I didn't know you were from Bossier Parish.
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    Shut up. You're annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Shut up. You're annoying.
    oh, thank you for that. Likewise.

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