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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    You Sir are a Amazing..... That type of thinking is a F*ucking disgusting existence, How can you say that you owe nothing to your fellow man? especially one in need.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    And 1,000 witnesses from fh.com would give the same statement to the police.... "Yes officer, he tripped over that hose and fell right on his face. Looked like it hurt something fierce. He must not be used to having a hose line deployed on the fireground and wasn't watching his step."
    I think the damage I would do to him would look a lot worse then if he fell over some hose...
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    Well it was very unfortunate that he just happened to land in the staging area for various hand tools such as axes and haligan bars.... which btw is probably the closest he'd ever come to any of them as well.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    haha very true.
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    I thank you Sir, and glad some one else thinks like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    If they can't accept the consequences of their actions, they should be a plumber. Or a volunteer plumber.

    When you start out along this merry path we call firefighting, you should know up front what it entails. If it is not for you, then find another job.
    very good way to sum it up.

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    The way I feel about it is if you are a firefighter or medic or police officer and are either at the scene of an emergency off-duty or come across and emergency off-duty and you do nothing about it you should have criminal charges brought against you. I will admit, when I have gear on with a hose line and I am about to go into a fire, I am scared out of mind. I am physically afraid of what might happen. But at the same time something inside of me gives me the courage to fight through that fear and do what has to be done. I know it sounds cliché, but I am being honest.

    So what, you may not be able to make a grab but at least you tried. Perfect example….
    About a month ago there was a house that caught on fire. The first officer on scene was also a volunteer firefighter. When he arrived on scene a neighbor was trying to kick in the front door because he knew an elderly lady lived in the house. They got the door open and could see the lady about 10 feet into the door. There was intense heat and smoke and the officer and the neighbor had every intention to go in and get her. Unfortunately before they could go in the roof began to collapse. It was an old house and went up fast. So they were not able to save her, but at least they tried something. For that he is a hero in my book.

    It is totally ridiculous and unacceptable that someone who is a trained emergency responder would refuse care or aid to someone who needs it.

    LA, I want you to think about this hard. One day you’re going to grow old. Imagine you are home and your house catches on fire and nobody does anything to save you. Imagine you get into a car accident and you are burning alive and nobody does anything to save you. Imagine you’re having a heart attack and nobody does anything to help you.

    You say you have no obligation to anyone if you are off the clock. That statement sickens me. I am sitting at dispatch eating some leftover pasta and when I read that comment I became so mad it almost sickened me. If that is your stand then you are a ****ing disgrace to the entire fire service and I hope God remembers that statement when you pass on. If that is your place then you have no business being in the PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
    Its *******s like you that is dragging the fire service down. I feel sorry for your state, community and department that allow you to call yourself a firefighter. I wonder how the citizens of your community would feel knowing that their local fire service would refuse to help them unless they were “on the clock”.

    I’m going to stop now before I say something I don’t need to…..

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    By the way, I am volunteer. My department is 100% volunteer. We recieve no pay for what we do. When I respond to a call it's my own gas. When I clean the fire station, I do it on my own time. When I am on the scene of an emergency I am opertating 100% FOR FREE. And let me tell you, I LOVE what I do. There are some things in life that are more important than money like......SOMEONES LIFE.

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    Hey LAiDioT, If you were somewhere out of state on vacation or whatever and someone had a medical emergency at a restaurant or something, would you help them? Or are you too afraid of liability, disease, bad breath, dandruff, and breaking a sweat?
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    ...It's amazing how some folks here think they have the right to judge the actions of others in these situations.
    That's a great line for a signature.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Hey LAiDioT, If you were somewhere out of state on vacation or whatever and someone had a medical emergency at a restaurant or something, would you help them? Or are you too afraid of liability, disease, bad breath, dandruff, and breaking a sweat?

    So where exactly did I say I wouldn't help with a medical emergency?

    Please quote it.

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    By the way, I am volunteer. My department is 100% volunteer. We recieve no pay for what we do. When I respond to a call it's my own gas. When I clean the fire station, I do it on my own time. When I am on the scene of an emergency I am opertating 100% FOR FREE. And let me tell you, I LOVE what I do. There are some things in life that are more important than money like......SOMEONES LIFE.

    Tell that to the widow and children of a firefighter who is killed operating out of his jurisdiction as they lose the car and the house.

    We don't live in a vacum. Maybe you don;'t think about your family, but I know on the job or as a volunteer in my district, they will be taken care of between federal/state LODD benefits and FD benefits. If I get killed out of my district that's not the case.

    They are my priority.

    We all live with our choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinFFVFD View Post
    LA, I want you to think about this hard. One day you’re going to grow old. Imagine you are home and your house catches on fire and nobody does anything to save you. Imagine you get into a car accident and you are burning alive and nobody does anything to save you. Imagine you’re having a heart attack and nobody does anything to help you.
    Kevin,

    He already said he would let his own family burn to death if the conditions were what he deemed too dangerous for him to enter. He further said he would stop firefighters from entering if he felt it was too dangerous.

    If he is willing to so easily write off his family there is no reasoning with him on this issue. He will reason it away by calculating imaginary risks or saying if they are off duy they have no duty to respond to his emergency.

    It is pointless to try and use this type of scenario with a guy that is this blinded by his own meglomaniacal agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So where exactly did I say I wouldn't help with a medical emergency?

    Please quote it.
    I didn't, I'm asking you if you would. Since you don't do much else, I'm wondering what your stance is on acting in your capacity as EMS professional outside your town/city/state.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    He already said he would let his own family burn to death if the conditions were what he deemed to dangerous for him to enter. He further said he would stop firefighters from entering if he felt it was too dangerous.

    Incorrect Sir.

    I never stated that I would allow my own family to burn to death if conditions were too dangerous. I would do anything to save my family. They are my family and are my responsibility.

    However, I did say that I would stop firefighters from entering the structure. I also did say that I would hold absolutly no ill will towards firefighters that decided to not make entry on a structure in which memebers of my family were.

    I would be able to live with my family dying in a fire. It happens. I would have a very tough tough time living with myself if (a) firefighter(s) were killed rescueing or attempting to rescue my family. They are not thier responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    He already said he would let his own family burn to death if the conditions were what he deemed to dangerous for him to enter. He further said he would stop firefighters from entering if he felt it was too dangerous.

    Incorrect Sir.

    I never stated that I would allow my own family to burn to death if conditions were too dangerous. I would do anything to save my family. They are my family and are my responsibility.

    However, I did say that I would stop firefighters from entering the structure. I also did say that I would hold absolutly no ill will towards firefighters that decided to not make entry on a structure in which memebers of my family were.

    I would be able to live with my family dying in a fire. It happens. I would have a very tough tough time living with myself if (a) firefighter(s) were killed rescueing or attempting to rescue my family. They are not thier responsibility.
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    I disagree. As soon as you call for help, it becomes the responsibilty of the fire department to put out the fire, and rescue victims. You called for help. Meaning you can't handle it on your own. So it becomes the responsibilty of someone trained to complete the task at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I would be able to live with my family dying in a fire. It happens.
    Did anyone else just throw up on their keyboard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    He already said he would let his own family burn to death if the conditions were what he deemed to dangerous for him to enter. He further said he would stop firefighters from entering if he felt it was too dangerous.

    Incorrect Sir.

    I never stated that I would allow my own family to burn to death if conditions were too dangerous. I would do anything to save my family. They are my family and are my responsibility.

    If I cared enough I could go back and find where you said it. It doesn't matter all that much. We all know you wouldn't enter anyways.

    However, I did say that I would stop firefighters from entering the structure. I also did say that I would hold absolutly no ill will towards firefighters that decided to not make entry on a structure in which memebers of my family were.

    Yeah, yeah, we have heard it all before. Blah, blah, blah.

    Frankly, if you did that I would hope the fire chief would have you arrested for obstruction and if I was the police chief I would demand a criminal investigation into the cause of the fire and EXACTLY how your family died. Because to me your actions would seem incredibly suspicious and unusual.

    I would be able to live with my family dying in a fire. It happens. I would have a very tough tough time living with myself if (a) firefighter(s) were killed rescueing or attempting to rescue my family. They are not thier responsibility.

    You would be able to live with your family dieing in a fire? Because it happens? But you couldn't live with yourself if a firefighter was killed in the attempt to save them? Seriously, I am beginning to question your mental stability. Does your wife know you are this unfeeling about them dieing in a fire? Do your children know? I would bet they wouldn't be too happy with you if they did know how unfeeling you seem to be about them.
    You are such a phony and a hypocrite that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you say is suspect and not to be taken seriously by anyone.

    Nice job making yourself even more irrelevant than you previously were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckSixFF View Post
    I think the damage I would do to him would look a lot worse then if he fell over some hose...
    But our witness statement would be the SAME! T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    By the way, I am volunteer. My department is 100% volunteer. We recieve no pay for what we do. When I respond to a call it's my own gas. When I clean the fire station, I do it on my own time. When I am on the scene of an emergency I am opertating 100% FOR FREE. And let me tell you, I LOVE what I do. There are some things in life that are more important than money like......SOMEONES LIFE.

    Tell that to the widow and children of a firefighter who is killed operating out of his jurisdiction as they lose the car and the house.

    We don't live in a vacum. Maybe you don;'t think about your family, but I know on the job or as a volunteer in my district, they will be taken care of between federal/state LODD benefits and FD benefits. If I get killed out of my district that's not the case.

    They are my priority.

    We all live with our choices.
    APPARENTLY SOME of US(YOU) DO! And it isn't me NOR the rest of my BROTHERS? How's Burger King looking to you? T.C.

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