I'm not gonna read all seven pages which I'm sure are full of arguments and people saying that searches in vacants are unnecessary. (which we all know is a load of $hit)
Sounds like a great job by the guys!
One shot, 1,500 miles, that's all I need. (can I say that???) :D
LaFireEducator, you are one sick, messed up SOB. You are a disgrace to the human race.
To be brutally honest, concerning my family, I expect the FF's to do their job to the best of their ability to save one or all of them, even under extreme, but not suicidal conditions. If I lose a loved one, and a FF also lost their life while doing their job, then I will be greatly saddened twice. But I will know that, that FF tried his best for me, my family, and himself, and his family, to get them and himself all out safely.
It's called the "Ultimate Sacrifice", that one should die by.
Then you go spouting off that it is the responsibility of the family to be prepared for a fire. You know what, there are times when even the most planned and prepared family/houses that catch fire, they can't do what was planned or strategically developed, to get out to save their skins. Fires are not predictable, if you haven't noticed in 30 years.
I'm not a FF, but I can say I will stop and do my best, to my ability and understanding to what I see, that I will do, what YOU will not. I've got the 3rd degree burns and scarring to prove it.
KUDO'S to the two guys that did what was right.
just from reading the title i knew what this was going to be about ... and how it would turn out.
Sweet job to the rescuers. As far as my family .. its fair to them if i die taking risks because i know most people here would do the same for my family. My kids live because of others risking for me ... that means i risk for others.
My family will suffer if i were to parish but there will be struggles in any ones life. Besides, after all that, who the hell is gonna turn down my son for a spot on an FD later in life? Thats a bonus he gets right there ...
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Off duty fire captain saves a person from a flaming car vs. freight train collision....
Good thing it didn't happen on La fire educaters watch.
You have to love this line...
His work finally done, he collapsed and was taken to the ER, where he was then treated for excessive smoke inhalation and a near-terminal case of badassitude.
That was freakin' (I'm not allowed to say the word I really want to say) awesome!!! I really like this guy's style of writing and am going to check out the rest of the website. That's the best thing I've read on here in a long, long time.
Oh and FF Cooper ..... YOU ROCK!!!!
And SOMEHOW, there is still a misinformed DoDo doing Pub ed who seems to FORGET that despite ones best preparation and practice,FIRES can and do TRAP people which require Quick,decisive action by a PROPERLY trained and competent FD. The lengths you go to shirk your duty amaze even me and I have a pretty wide tolerance of the unusual. Just UNBELIEVABLE! T.C
And where did I say all of that?
Right now we are talking about the decssion to enter fire enviroments without PPE, water, equipment and possibly communications.
Please tell me what the hell that has to do with a fire department response?
That is what this debate is about.
Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.
I see them doing a tremendous disservice to their families, and potentially their brothers, who may end up having to rescue them, treat them and possibly deal with their death.
On the response side people have always died in fires and people will continue to die in fires. The reality is, in my experience, most victims are dead before we arrive. Can saves be made? Certainly. But there are thousands of FDs who are severely limited and never will receive the proper training to operate in interior environments beyond a single room and contents fires. I accept that. There is nothing that can be done to change that. These firefighters are not cowards but are simply working within their limitations. They must if they are to go home. And they ALWAYS should go home. ALWAYS. We are more important than any civilian.
Dumbass,PLEASE note the above is a DIRECT quote from YOU on "your Pub Ed" lesson on fire safety and escape. As a continuation of this FINE thread on what is OFTEN required to save LIFE and property. A LESSON LONG lost on you. I'm just pointing out that no matter how much of your BS you're "teaching" your public,OCCASIONALLY it takes a little more,like a REAL firefighter with some Gonads to make the save. NO, the smoke detector won't carry the victim out. Is THIS really that HARD to figure out? And again,WHY are you here? Burger King is hiring. T.C.
LA, you say that if a firefighter on your department attempted a save off-duty without PPE that you would discipline them? You also state that the others on your department would consider him a hero while you wouldn’t? Let me tell you something….
If I was off-duty and came across a burning house and I was able to make a save and them was later disciplined by a coward “officer” who in the same situation would have let that person die I would tell you to take your discipline and shove it up your ***.
You replied to a comment I made earlier and said that apparently I don’t care about my family…..remember that???? Well F*** you LA. You know nothing about me. You want to talk about FAMILY, ok let’s talk…
I am a fourth generation firefighter. My great-grandfather was riding on horse-driven steamers and pulling lines to fight fires. What did your great-grandfather do? My grandfather was a fire captain and the first fire inspector for the city of Vicksburg. What did your grandfather do? My father was a firefighter and rose to the rank of FIRE CHIEF of the Vicksburg Fire Department. He left the department after 25 years and then went and served as Asst. Chief of the Ocean Springs Fire Department. What did your father do? I have been in the fire service now for four years.
I come from a family of hero’s. You are a coward and a failure. I weep for the firefighters who you teach and the community you “serve”. So don’t say that I am inconsiderate of my family.
^^^^^^ Damn, Bro! That **** is FUNNY, I don't care who your are!!!