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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    No gear. No SCBA. No tools. No handline. Probably no partner. Even if they have a radio, if they are out of district good chance they have no radio = no communications.

    Sounds cowboy to me.
    Sounds like someone reaching down within them self, staving off fear and helping someone who cannot help them self. To take on a task bigger than them self.
    It sounds like solid moral character. That is what it sounds like to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Again, I don't believe the oath (which by the way, I have never taken on any of my 8 departments) to serve and protect extends to operating out of district and off-duty.

    I have never said we don't have a duty while on-duty.
    Would you if asked? I do not believe the oath (which I took more that 30 years ago) is limited to on duty, for those of us who choose to serve without reservation.

    You stated the lack of smoke detectors would influence your choices. Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser. Would you be more likely to help an AIDS patient who contracted the disease via transfusion verse drug abuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Jesus H. Christ, could you possibly be any more of a soaking wet, dripping walking pu$$y?!

    Probably not.
    Well at least that much is pretty accurate.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post

    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.

    I see them doing a tremendous disservice to their families, and potentially their brothers, who may end up having to rescue them, treat them and possibly deal with their death.
    I would dare you to dress me down for something I did while "Off Duty" that was not illegal or immoral. Especially if that something was rescuing people trapped in a fire. Dude, I would make you look so stupid, so petty, and so cowardly you would lose any chance of ever being meaningful in any way on that fire department EVER AGAIN. Furthermore if you tried to carry out any official discipline on me I would go over your head and if needed right to the press. I am sure this would make it obvious to the public what an incompetent, cowardly, leader you are.

    It has nothing to do with being a cowboy, or wanting to be a hero. It is far more basic than that and it amazes me that you can't fathom it. Your mindset is so cowardly that the fact that human beings have compassion for their fellow human beings and want to help them, and alleviate suffering, is something you simply can't grasp.

    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual. Fortunately, there are more people who will make the attempt than will stand by with their thumb in their *** making cowardly excuses for not taking action.
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    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual.

    Thank you Fryed.

    You just said what I have been saying all along.

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    You stated the lack of smoke detectors would influence your choices.

    Again, never stated that. i did say that the likely advanced condition of the fire caused by the delayed notification of the fire, which was caused by the lack of smoke detectors, would influence my choices. But continue to twist my words again if you choose.

    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.

    Would you be more likely to help an AIDS patient who contracted the disease via transfusion verse drug abuse?

    If I arrived POV as a volunteer and didn't have the needed universal precautions, yes, I would wait to provide hands-on care, unless the situation required immediate action to save a life, until the apparatus arrived with the proper BSI equipment. I think most would do that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.
    You are truly a pu$sy. And a disgrace.
    Addiction is a disease. How about you do a little educating of yourself you fcuking pansy. How dare you! How dare you provide a lesser level of service just because of their socia-economic conditions?!
    What if they are black?
    A hott woman?
    A hott man? (well, we know you wont touch the woman, but clip and strip the man, so that theory is out...)
    I am sure your DOH would LOVE to see, this, as would your Chief, and the citizens of your area.

    Whoever found out this MUTTs real ID, PM me.
    Now this has gone too far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual.

    Thank you Fryed.

    You just said what I have been saying all along.
    ******bag, if you agree with what they do off duty is the choice of the individual, then why did you say tha you would "dress down" anyone on your department who made an off duty save? Way to contradict yourself. How are you gonna try to spin this one in your favor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual.

    Thank you Fryed.

    You just said what I have been saying all along.
    no its not.
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    Yes it is.

    It's a personal choice, and nobody should be held accountable if they choose not too.

    And I have stated that it's highly unlikely I would intervene in some, if not most, of the situations posted.

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    ******bag, if you agree with what they do off duty is the choice of the individual, then why did you say tha you would "dress down" anyone on your department who made an off duty save? Way to contradict yourself. How are you gonna try to spin this one in your favor?

    Never said dress down.

    I did say I would let them know the peril they put their income and their family in. I would tell them that while it was their choice, their actions had wide ranging consequences to more folks than themselves. I would simply put the idea in their head that maybe, just maybe, what they did wasn't very smart. Hopefully after awhile, they would realize that.

    As a trainer, that's my role, which is to make sure that they see both sides of their actions.

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    Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.
    You are truly a pu$sy. And a disgrace.
    Addiction is a disease. How about you do a little educating of yourself you fcuking pansy. How dare you! How dare you provide a lesser level of service just because of their socia-economic conditions?!
    What if they are black?
    A hott woman?
    A hott man? (well, we know you wont touch the woman, but clip and strip the man, so that theory is out...)
    I am sure your DOH would LOVE to see, this, as would your Chief, and the citizens of your area.

    Whoever found out this MUTTs real ID, PM me.
    Now this has gone too far


    So exactly where did I say I would provide a lesser degree of care in this post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yes it is.

    It's a personal choice, and nobody should be held accountable if they choose not too.

    And I have stated that it's highly unlikely I would intervene in some, if not most, of the situations posted.
    Because you are a coward puss*. Your job title says "Firefighter/EMT-B/EMT-P" for a reason. Why don't you do us all a favor and 1.) leave the forms forever 2.) quit your job so innocent civilians do not die because of your stupid,timid, unorthodox ****e* up tactics. and finally 3.) put a bullet in your head. Thank you and have a nice day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.
    Right there, ******bag.
    Less then 100% is NOT providing the same care!
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    Naaaaaaaaaa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yes it is.

    It's a personal choice, and nobody should be held accountable if they choose not too.

    And I have stated that it's highly unlikely I would intervene in some, if not most, of the situations posted.
    and you have also called others cowboys, dinosaurs, etc..for doing what you wouldnt. What happened to personal choice?
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    Guess I should have read the question.

    NO.

    Not that it's really any of your business anyway.

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    and you have also called others cowboys, dinosaurs, etc..for doing what you wouldnt. What happened to personal choice?

    It's still thier choice.

    And then why is someone who has made the choice, or more than likely would make the choice not to intervene a coward?

    Can't have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.

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    What the **** does that say? So now your a coward, a troll, and a LIAR. Wanna try and spin this one in your favor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.
    How about right there!?!?!?!

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    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.

    You are right, I did use the phrase "dressing down".

    Probably a bad choice of words. Probably better phrase would be more like a very heated discussion.

    In other words, I would express my feelings about the risk he put his family at in no uncertain terms.

    If you want to call that back peddling, so be it.

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    How about right there!?!?!?!

    Mis-read the question.

    It happens. If you don't beleive it, no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.

    You are right, I did use the phrase "dressing down".

    Probably a bad choice of words. Probably better phrase would be more like a very heated discussion.

    In other words, I would express my feelings about the risk he put his family at in no uncertain terms.

    If you want to call that back peddling, so be it.
    Yeah, ill call that back peddling, and I'm sure the majority of people would too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post

    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.
    This ought to be in the hands of every supervisor you have, the Chief of the department that you pickup a paycheck from (Notice I did not say member of) and every media outlet in your area.

    Maybe it will be.

    You are a disgrace.

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    Honest mistake.

    Believe that if you want.

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    All this crap over one off-duty out of district situation.

    Amazing.

    Most of you guys really need to get a life.

    And how many of the career guys volunteer in their communities off-hours? Don't your communities deserve the use of your skills off-duty in the same as you wanted me to us my skills off-duty in another community?

    Can't have it both ways.

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