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    Great grabs gentlemen on both situations, I salute you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    As far as everything else, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
    Be a pretty damn boring world if we followed that rule, bro.

    Besides, I thought we were having fun at Imitator's expense? Hell, even he seems to enjoy it, egging everyone on like he does...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.
    LOL. Tough Guy. What are you going to do when one of your guys tells you to take your "dressing down" and shove it up your a s s because what they do on their time is their business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.
    I do not know how I missed this part of your post, but I would dare say what you call "Cowboy activities" a vast majority of your department would consider and extention of their oath to protect and serve. It is depressing to know that you maybe negitively influancing young firefighters and EMTs. You are far more dangerous than any arsonist or gunman. Very sad indeed.

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    Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way
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    A dressing down.. in the "Brokeback Mountain" kind of way...
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    I do not know how I missed this part of your post, but I would dare say what you call "Cowboy activities" a vast majority of your department would consider and extention of their oath to protect and serve. It is depressing to know that you maybe negitively influancing young firefighters and EMTs. You are far more dangerous than any arsonist or gunman. Very sad indeed.

    No gear. No SCBA. No tools. No handline. Probably no partner. Even if they have a radio, if they are out of district good chance they have no radio = no communications.

    Sounds cowboy to me.

    Again, I don't beleive the oath (which by the way, I have never taken on any of my 8 departments) to serve and protect extends to operating out of district and off-duty.

    I have never said we don't have a duty while on-duty.
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    LOL. Tough Guy. What are you going to do when one of your guys tells you to take your "dressing down" and shove it up your a s s because what they do on their time is their business?

    Nothinmg. I'll tell them what I think and that will be the end of it. What they do off-duty is thier choice, but especially if they are young, they need to be told to keep the concequences in mind.

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    Jesus H. Christ, could you possibly be any more of a soaking wet, dripping walking pu$$y?!
    I fail to understand why you are in this career field.
    Cool tshirt?
    Flashies on your car?
    Get to pretend to be tough without actually risking anything?
    Do us all a favor, and go take a long walk off a short cliff.
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    Jesus H. Christ, could you possibly be any more of a soaking wet, dripping walking pu$$y?!

    Probably not.

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    I guess its a generational thing, just when did "being a cowboy" become a bad thing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    No gear. No SCBA. No tools. No handline. Probably no partner. Even if they have a radio, if they are out of district good chance they have no radio = no communications.

    Sounds cowboy to me.
    Sounds like someone reaching down within them self, staving off fear and helping someone who cannot help them self. To take on a task bigger than them self.
    It sounds like solid moral character. That is what it sounds like to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Again, I don't believe the oath (which by the way, I have never taken on any of my 8 departments) to serve and protect extends to operating out of district and off-duty.

    I have never said we don't have a duty while on-duty.
    Would you if asked? I do not believe the oath (which I took more that 30 years ago) is limited to on duty, for those of us who choose to serve without reservation.

    You stated the lack of smoke detectors would influence your choices. Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser. Would you be more likely to help an AIDS patient who contracted the disease via transfusion verse drug abuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Jesus H. Christ, could you possibly be any more of a soaking wet, dripping walking pu$$y?!

    Probably not.
    Well at least that much is pretty accurate.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post

    Off-duty personnel have no business engaging in cowboy activities. If one of my firefighters did this they wiould get a dressing down from me. While others on my department would likely consider them a hero see do not see them that way.

    I see them doing a tremendous disservice to their families, and potentially their brothers, who may end up having to rescue them, treat them and possibly deal with their death.
    I would dare you to dress me down for something I did while "Off Duty" that was not illegal or immoral. Especially if that something was rescuing people trapped in a fire. Dude, I would make you look so stupid, so petty, and so cowardly you would lose any chance of ever being meaningful in any way on that fire department EVER AGAIN. Furthermore if you tried to carry out any official discipline on me I would go over your head and if needed right to the press. I am sure this would make it obvious to the public what an incompetent, cowardly, leader you are.

    It has nothing to do with being a cowboy, or wanting to be a hero. It is far more basic than that and it amazes me that you can't fathom it. Your mindset is so cowardly that the fact that human beings have compassion for their fellow human beings and want to help them, and alleviate suffering, is something you simply can't grasp.

    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual. Fortunately, there are more people who will make the attempt than will stand by with their thumb in their *** making cowardly excuses for not taking action.
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    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual.

    Thank you Fryed.

    You just said what I have been saying all along.

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    You stated the lack of smoke detectors would influence your choices.

    Again, never stated that. i did say that the likely advanced condition of the fire caused by the delayed notification of the fire, which was caused by the lack of smoke detectors, would influence my choices. But continue to twist my words again if you choose.

    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.

    Would you be more likely to help an AIDS patient who contracted the disease via transfusion verse drug abuse?

    If I arrived POV as a volunteer and didn't have the needed universal precautions, yes, I would wait to provide hands-on care, unless the situation required immediate action to save a life, until the apparatus arrived with the proper BSI equipment. I think most would do that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Would you provide less than 100% effort on an EMS call if you found the patient was a drug abuser.

    Always have and always will.
    You are truly a pu$sy. And a disgrace.
    Addiction is a disease. How about you do a little educating of yourself you fcuking pansy. How dare you! How dare you provide a lesser level of service just because of their socia-economic conditions?!
    What if they are black?
    A hott woman?
    A hott man? (well, we know you wont touch the woman, but clip and strip the man, so that theory is out...)
    I am sure your DOH would LOVE to see, this, as would your Chief, and the citizens of your area.

    Whoever found out this MUTTs real ID, PM me.
    Now this has gone too far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual.

    Thank you Fryed.

    You just said what I have been saying all along.
    ******bag, if you agree with what they do off duty is the choice of the individual, then why did you say tha you would "dress down" anyone on your department who made an off duty save? Way to contradict yourself. How are you gonna try to spin this one in your favor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Whether or not to attempt a rescue while "Off Duty" is the personal choice of the individual.

    Thank you Fryed.

    You just said what I have been saying all along.
    no its not.
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    Yes it is.

    It's a personal choice, and nobody should be held accountable if they choose not too.

    And I have stated that it's highly unlikely I would intervene in some, if not most, of the situations posted.

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    ******bag, if you agree with what they do off duty is the choice of the individual, then why did you say tha you would "dress down" anyone on your department who made an off duty save? Way to contradict yourself. How are you gonna try to spin this one in your favor?

    Never said dress down.

    I did say I would let them know the peril they put their income and their family in. I would tell them that while it was their choice, their actions had wide ranging consequences to more folks than themselves. I would simply put the idea in their head that maybe, just maybe, what they did wasn't very smart. Hopefully after awhile, they would realize that.

    As a trainer, that's my role, which is to make sure that they see both sides of their actions.

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