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    According to a federal affidavit unsealed Tuesday, James O'Keefe III, 25, was among four men charged a day earlier with entering federal property under false pretenses to commit a felony after they told an aide to the senator that they needed access to the office's main phone line.

    The document did not say why they allegedly had targeted Landrieu's office, but the senator from Louisiana has come under attack from conservatives in recent months for her support of the Senate's healthcare overhaul legislation.

    Landrieu was one of the last Democrats to pledge support for the bill and only signed on after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) pledged additional aid for Louisiana's Medicaid program.

    "This is a very unusual situation and somewhat unsettling for me and my staff," Landrieu said Tuesday in a statement. "I am as interested as everyone else about their motives and purpose, which I hope will become clear as the investigation moves forward."

    O'Keefe shot to fame last summer after he and another conservative activist, Hannah Giles, sometimes posing as a pimp and a prostitute, secretly videotaped ACORN staffers in several cities appearing to give advice on tax evasion, human smuggling and child prostitution.

    Outrage over the tapes led Congress last fall to cut federal funding for the Assn. of Community Organizations for Reform Now and prompted more than a dozen state and local authorities to investigate the community advocacy group. California ACORN, which said the video scandal had done irreparable damage to the ACORN brand, broke away from the national organization this month.

    Another of the defendants, 24-year-old Robert Flanagan, was identified as the son of William Flanagan, the acting head of the U.S. attorney's office in Shreveport, La.

    According to FBI Special Agent Stephen Rayes, O'Keefe was the first to appear in the reception area of Landrieu's office on the 10th floor of the Hale Boggs Federal Building on Monday morning.

    O'Keefe, Rayes said, told a member of the senator's staff that he was "waiting for someone to arrive."

    The agent said that Flanagan and Joseph Basel, 24, then appeared in the reception area, "each dressed in blue denim pants, a blue work shirt, a light fluorescent vest, a tool belt and carrying white, construction-style hard hats." They said they were there "to fix problems with the telephone system."

    O'Keefe appeared to be filming the scene with his cellphone as Basel "manipulated" the handset of the receptionist's phone, Rayes said.

    Flanagan and Basel then asked for access to the telephone closet and told a General Services Administration employee on the 10th floor that they were there to repair the phone lines, Rayes said. When asked for their credentials, Flanagan and Basel said they had left their identification in their vehicle.

    Flanagan and Basel admitted they were not phone repairmen and had entered Landrieu's office under false pretenses, Rayes said.

    The agent added that O'Keefe and a fourth man, Stan Dai, also 24, admitted they had helped in the "planning, coordination and preparation of the operation." O'Keefe "further admitted to recording Flanagan and Basel inside Landrieu's office," according to the affidavit. All four were arrested, Rayes said.

    The men were released Tuesday on unsecured bonds of $10,000 each. If convicted, each faces a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000.

    O'Keefe's father, James O'Keefe Jr., said in a telephone interview that he wasn't sure what his son was doing at Landrieu's office.

    "He was maybe trying to do a prank to get some information, but that's about it," he said. "He wouldn't break the law. He would know better than that."

    The 55-year-old engineer in Westwood, N.J., called his son "an upstanding young man who is maybe stretching the limits a little bit."

    "He wants to hound the truth, and he's using different tactics to get out the truth," the elder O'Keefe said.

    In October, after the ACORN videos aired, Rep. Pete Olson (R-Texas) introduced a resolution praising O'Keefe and Giles for "their diligent investigative journalism." More than 30 Republican members of Congress co-sponsored the resolution.

    Although O'Keefe and Giles were heralded as heroes on conservative websites and talk shows, they have been mired in lawsuits since the videos aired.

    Last fall, ACORN sued O'Keefe and Giles in Baltimore, saying the audio portion of their video shot in ACORN's office there was obtained illegally. And on Thursday, O'Keefe and Giles were sued in federal court in Philadelphia by an ACORN employee featured in one of the films.

    O'Keefe occasionally blogs for the conservative website BigGovernment.com. In a post several months ago, he pledged to continue to attack liberal organizations.

    "It is time," he wrote, for conservative activists to "create chaos for glory."

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    This could be fun. There's no parole in the federal system.

    I'm betting he's just become a prime example of the adage of a liberal being a conservative who just got arrested.
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    This could be fun. There's no parole in the federal system.

    I'm betting he's just become a prime example of the adage of a liberal being a conservative who just got arrested.
    Catch one conservative misbehaving and it is a big deal. Catch 1,000 liberals and it is the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Catch one conservative misbehaving and it is a big deal. Catch 1,000 liberals and it is the norm.
    Oh, so you've been to Massachusetts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Oh, so you've been to Massachusetts?
    Yet not a mention about his illegal actions. All of a sudden we're supposed to wait till all the facts are in. Yet there were no such cautions when O'Keefe was illegally obtaining video and slandering ACORN. Who by the was found to have not done anything wrong after being investigated.

    Typical.

    We've had more than a few conservatives get tossed into the slammer. The last one was an individual annointed America's Sheriff. Got convicted of witness tampering.

    This is not an isolated instance in my locale.
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    Like I said earlier. A liberal is a conservative whose just been arrested.


    With O'Keefe arrest, Breitbart develops newfound appreciation for "facts"
    January 27, 2010 11:23 am ET by Simon Maloy

    Not a good day for Andrew Breitbart.

    As his hand-groomed protégé, undercover ACORN video auteur James O'Keefe, sat in a Louisiana police station under arrest for attempting to tamper with a U.S. senator's telephone system, Breitbart's media empire went into lockdown, issuing only a terse statement denying any knowledge of O'Keefe's activities. This morning, however, Breitbart broke the silence, posting a missive to BigGovernment.com announcing that he, Andrew Breitbart, was going to "[w]ait until the facts are in" before "jumping to conclusions" like Media Matters and everyone else in the media.

    Imagine that -- Andrew Breitbart chastising the world for passing judgment before the facts are in.

    Sort of like when Breitbart used O'Keefe's deceptively edited videos to issue broad condemnations of ACORN's willingness to aid in child prostitution, even though later investigations found that ACORN had done nothing to violate the law or eligibility for federal funding.

    Or like when BigGovernment.com attacked the White House for playing host to ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis, only to find out later that it was a different Bertha Lewis.

    Or like when Breitbart worked with a private detective who rooted through ACORN's trash, and then told the world that ACORN had conducted a "document dump" in advance of an investigation, even though the "documents" turned out to be mainly fliers and old newsletters.

    Or how about when that same private detective, in the course of investigating the "document dump," posted a video on BigGovernment.com of "ACORN operatives clearly engaged in some kind of discussion - likely related to the activities of that evening." Some solid factual grounding there.

    And there was the time that BigGovernment.com accused Obama of stealing his own Nobel Prize winnings, even though Obama hasn't received them yet.

    And who can forget the "political statements" the Obamas made with their Maoist Christmas tree ornaments? Turns out those were decorated by local community groups, and the image of Mao on one of the ornaments was actually a reprint of Andy Warhol's paintings mocking the Chinese dictator.

    Oh, and the time that Breitbart posted a video claiming that a group of community organizers were "praying" to Obama, and later had to walk it back because he didn't have any -- what's the word I'm looking for... ah yes, facts.

    So by all means, Andrew, wait as long as you like before commenting on the alleged illegal activities of your employee and star pupil. Both you and he are still entitled to a fair hearing of the facts, even if you rarely extend that courtesy to others.
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    So perhaps we will soon see CNN investigate the activities of Senator Louisiana Purchase 2009. Or the New York Times. Or maybe Attorney General Holder? When SC gets a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    So perhaps we will soon see CNN investigate the activities of Senator Louisiana Purchase 2009. Or the New York Times. Or maybe Attorney General Holder? When SC gets a clue.
    Nice try at a deflection.

    How does that absolve O'Keefe's actions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Yet not a mention about his illegal actions. All of a sudden we're supposed to wait till all the facts are in.
    Nobody said anything of the sort. As per standard procedure, you're making that up. They admitted their wrongdoing. Unlike more people of your kind who make up new lies to cover up old lies.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Yet there were no such cautions when O'Keefe was illegally obtaining video and slandering ACORN.
    As I recall, the videos did all the speaking on their own. If the videos were slandering acorn, and the videos were of acorn employees, wouldn't that make it acorn slandering itself??? Which by definition isn't slander, since it isn't slander if it's true, and if they're the ones saying it, it therefore can't be made up. I'm sure that doesn't matter to you though.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Who by the was found to have not done anything wrong after being investigated.
    Acorn, not done anything wrong. Thats a laugh and a half.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Typical.
    Of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We've had more than a few conservatives get tossed into the slammer.
    There's idiots in all professions and all sides of the isle. I don't recall anyone claiming the republican party was perfect.


    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The last one was an individual annointed America's Sheriff. Got convicted of witness tampering.
    Well, I suppose that isn't as bad as sinking your mistress in a car.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Nobody said anything of the sort. As per standard procedure, you're making that up. They admitted their wrongdoing. Unlike more people of your kind who make up new lies to cover up old lies.
    None of which absolves them of any wrongdoing. Gotta love the irony of those individuals being praised yesterday by a GOP congressional Resolution for doing great work in uncovering fraudulent activity using tax dollars. Now they'll be remembered as criminals.

    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    As I recall, the videos did all the speaking on their own. If the videos were slandering acorn, and the videos were of acorn employees, wouldn't that make it acorn slandering itself??? Which by definition isn't slander, since it isn't slander if it's true, and if they're the ones saying it, it therefore can't be made up. I'm sure that doesn't matter to you though.
    The videos were heavily edited. Andrew Breitbart has stated he will release the unedited versions but hasn't done so to date. Secondly, it's never detailed there were literally dozens of ACORN facilities that kicked them out giving no advice at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Acorn, not done anything wrong. Thats a laugh and a half.
    And you'd be correct. No charges of illegality have been brought. The CRS issued a report stating ACORN had not broken any federal laws. By contrast they stated O'Keefe might have broken state laws in their covert filming of ACORN operations. They're saying we should wait until all the facts are revealed. A courtesy they didn't afford any of O'Keefe's or Breitbart's targets/victims.

    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    There's idiots in all professions and all sides of the isle. I don't recall anyone claiming the republican party was perfect.
    No kidding. Folks were quick to praise O'Keefe when he was telling them what they wanted to hear. Those same individuals who claim to desire law and order are all of a sudden very quiet now that he's being charged with a federal crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Well, I suppose that isn't as bad as sinking your mistress in a car.
    Since no one died, that makes it okay? Or just less bad?

    I figured it wouldn't take long for one of the local MENSA clan to bring up something completely unrelated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Nice try at a deflection.
    Well, he probably learned from your deflections. Sicne you are the master of it.

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    How does that absolve O'Keefe's actions?
    No onse said it did. If he did break in, then it is illegal and he should go to jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    None of which absolves them of any wrongdoing. Gotta love the irony of those individuals being praised yesterday by a GOP congressional Resolution for doing great work in uncovering fraudulent activity using tax dollars. Now they'll be remembered as criminals.
    If they broke the law they should be tried. If they are found guilty they should be punished.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The videos were heavily edited. Andrew Breitbart has stated he will release the unedited versions but hasn't done so to date. Secondly, it's never detailed there were literally dozens of ACORN facilities that kicked them out giving no advice at all.
    Almost every video is heavily edited. When he releases them, he releases them. And I have heard from other sources that other offices turned them away. However, this office did not.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And you'd be correct. No charges of illegality have been brought. The CRS issued a report stating ACORN had not broken any federal laws. By contrast they stated O'Keefe might have broken state laws in their covert filming of ACORN operations. They're saying we should wait until all the facts are revealed. A courtesy they didn't afford any of O'Keefe's or Breitbart's targets/victims.
    The key word there is "might have" broken state laws. Where are the criminal charges? It has only bee 5 or 6 months since this broke.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No kidding. Folks were quick to praise O'Keefe when he was telling them what they wanted to hear. Those same individuals who claim to desire law and order are all of a sudden very quiet now that he's being charged with a federal crime.
    Because he is accused of breaking the law. Why stick up for him?

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    I figured it wouldn't take long for one of the local MENSA clan to bring up something completely unrelated.
    More insults, and to a person who follows your lead of bringing up unrelated things. So funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Yet not a mention about his illegal actions.
    First off, they are alleged. If he broke in or violated the law, then he should be criminally prosecuted, and if convicted he should be punished as the judge or jury determines.

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    Yet there were no such cautions when O'Keefe was illegally obtaining video and slandering ACORN.
    It is not slander if it is true. And you allege that the videos were obtained illegally, yet no charges have been brought forward showing this to be the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Who by the was found to have not done anything wrong after being investigated.
    CRS investigated, and ACORN did their own "internal investigation." I don't typically trust "internal investigations." Kind of like the weasel investigating who killed the rooster.

    In that link you posted above there are also other investigations ongoing - a fact that you conveniently ignored, left out, or did not see.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We've had more than a few conservatives get tossed into the slammer. The last one was an individual annointed America's Sheriff. Got convicted of witness tampering.
    As he should have. However the number of Boston and Massachusetts politicians indicted and/or convicted here is quite high.

    Anthony Gallucio, Tom Finneran, Sal Dimasi, Charles Flaherty, Diane Wilkerson, John Buonomo, Charles Turner. All Democrats, all indicted, pled guilty, or were convicted of a variety of crimes at the state and federal level. Funny how you only see one side of the coin.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This is not an isolated instance in my locale.
    Nor is it in mine - yet you only choose to show it occurring with conservatives and Republicans
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    First off, they are alleged. If he broke in or violated the law, then he should be criminally prosecuted, and if convicted he should be punished as the judge or jury determines.
    Innocent till proven guilty? O'Keefe and Breitbart certainly didn't afford that perspective to ACORN.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    It is not slander if it is true. And you allege that the videos were obtained illegally, yet no charges have been brought forward showing this to be the case.
    O'Keefe is under investigation in MD for his video techniques.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    CRS investigated, and ACORN did their own "internal investigation." I don't typically trust "internal investigations." Kind of like the weasel investigating who killed the rooster.
    CRS isn't part of ACORN.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    In that link you posted above there are also other investigations ongoing - a fact that you conveniently ignored, left out, or did not see.
    See first post on innocent till proven guilty.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    As he should have. However the number of Boston and Massachusetts politicians indicted and/or convicted here is quite high.

    Anthony Gallucio, Tom Finneran, Sal Dimasi, Charles Flaherty, Diane Wilkerson, John Buonomo, Charles Turner. All Democrats, all indicted, pled guilty, or were convicted of a variety of crimes at the state and federal level. Funny how you only see one side of the coin.
    Could be that I sse just the opposite here in OC.

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    Nor is it in mine - yet you only choose to show it occurring with conservatives and Republicans
    See above.
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    There is no, and i repeat no, innocent till proven guilty for groups, companies, social clubs. These are individual rights afforded to people not alleged non-profit community political neutral associations.

    Just like there was no call to wait for the facts on arthur andersen of enron fame. Release the videos and audio ... for all. There just isn't an protections for groups like that ... that make you sound silly to say that ..

    As for the kid doing the phone interference (my guess is he was gonna plant phone taps) Busted .. and i bet he is guilty too .. first off the lawyer is not saying innocent he is saying misunderstanding ... and with the kids connections they most likely aren't gonna charge it unless its really a slam dunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    There is no, and i repeat no, innocent till proven guilty for groups, companies, social clubs. These are individual rights afforded to people not alleged non-profit community political neutral associations.

    Just like there was no call to wait for the facts on arthur andersen of enron fame. Release the videos and audio ... for all. There just isn't an protections for groups like that ... that make you sound silly to say that ..

    As for the kid doing the phone interference (my guess is he was gonna plant phone taps) Busted .. and i bet he is guilty too .. first off the lawyer is not saying innocent he is saying misunderstanding ... and with the kids connections they most likely aren't gonna charge it unless its really a slam dunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Innocent till proven guilty? O'Keefe and Breitbart certainly didn't afford that perspective to ACORN.
    He did not have to. Innocence is a matter of criminal law, not public opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    O'Keefe is under investigation in MD for his video techniques.
    Yet he has not been indicted or convicted. Since, as I mentioned, it is a CRIMINAL matter - we shall have to wait to determine guilty vs. not-guilty.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    CRS isn't part of ACORN.
    Really? Where did I claim that it was? Seeing as how the "C" in CRS is Congressional, and ACORN is not a governmental agency - there is OBVIOUSLY now link between the two. Surely an intelligent and educated person such as yourself can understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    See first post on innocent till proven guilty.
    Your point beng what? Criminal vs. civil vs. public opinon are 3 different areas.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Could be that I sse just the opposite here in OC.
    Hmmmmm. And I see the Dems being criminals here. Yet I criticize both parties - while you say that I do not - and you only criticize Republicans. How noble of you.

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    See above.
    Same to you. You obviously chose to ignore the premise of the statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Clearly the educational system has failed you.
    ... and i sse it has failed you also.

    Your quote
    Could be that I sse just the opposite here in OC.
    I had worked all night last night ... whats you(R) excuse?

    EDIT .. i forgot the R ... that my excuse again .. !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    He did not have to. Innocence is a matter of criminal law, not public opinion.
    Then point us to remarks by Breitbart or O'Keefe where they stated the viewers should wait for all the facts before making a decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Yet he has not been indicted or convicted. Since, as I mentioned, it is a CRIMINAL matter - we shall have to wait to determine guilty vs. not-guilty.
    Same with ACORN.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Really? Where did I claim that it was? Seeing as how the "C" in CRS is Congressional, and ACORN is not a governmental agency - there is OBVIOUSLY now link between the two. Surely an intelligent and educated person such as yourself can understand that.
    The CRS has oversight of investigating groups that receive federal funding. Thought you knew that.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Your point beng what? Criminal vs. civil vs. public opinon are 3 different areas.
    Please pass that on to Breitbart and moonbats of a similar nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Hmmmmm. And I see the Dems being criminals here. Yet I criticize both parties - while you say that I do not - and you only criticize Republicans. How noble of you.
    Thanks for the compliment.

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    Same to you. You obviously chose to ignore the premise of the statement.
    Which was?
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    I'm sure Attorney General Eric Holder will squash the investigation of O'keefe and his friends the way he blocked the investigation of the Black Panther Intimidation at the Philadelphia polling places or the foot dragging of the Justice Department to investigate all the complaints against Acorn in Nevada, Louisiana, Maryland and California. YA THINK !!!!

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