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    Question State of the Union?

    Is anyone watching this? At what point is the president going to start talking about the state of the union??? He's been campaigning for himself for 45 minutes now and hasn't actually started talking about the state of the union, or things happening now here on earth.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Rhetoric. Rhetoric. Rhetoric.
    blah blah blah

    You're right. At no point so far have I heard a "state" or "current condition" of the union.

    This is turning into one big campaign speech.

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    An hour and 15 minutes now. Still no state of the union. Just a campaign speech.

    Edit. An hour and 20 minutes total and no state of the union. A giant FREE campaign speech for him. That's wonderful.
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    This old man, he played ONE
    He played nic nac on his DRUM...




    (Song just kept playing in my head during the speech... )
    HAVE PLAN.............WILL TRAVEL

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    You'd think that he realized he did win and didn't have to give this campaign speech?

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    Well its never too soon to start working on 2012 I guess....
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    I don't know, I thought there were several things that you could call "state of the union" stuff in the speech.

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    There were significant policy ideals put forth. You must have missed him or aren't familiar with words that have more than two syllables. It might have been lost on you because he didn't use any pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Well its never too soon to start working on 2012 I guess....
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    Angry State of Union Speech

    Obama just doesn't get it. He is still pushing gov. controled heath care that the majority don't want. The 787 billion stimulus is not working and he wants to throw more good money after bad. Stimulus is only make work jobs that go away after the money runs out. Need to do massive capital gains tax cut to give people and companies the incentive to invest in private sector companies and small businesses that will provide jobs that will be lasting and continue to pay taxes long into the future.

    And no one wants terrorist trials in NYC.

    And after the Democrats have controlled the Congress and the Senate for three years, blaming everything on Bush does not hold water any more!!!

    The flood gates are going to open in the 2012 elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    Obama just doesn't get it. He is still pushing gov. controled heath care that the majority don't want. The 787 billion stimulus is not working and he wants to throw more good money after bad. Stimulus is only make work jobs that go away after the money runs out. Need to do massive capital gains tax cut to give people and companies the incentive to invest in private sector companies and small businesses that will provide jobs that will be lasting and continue to pay taxes long into the future.

    And no one wants terrorist trials in NYC.

    And after the Democrats have controlled the Congress and the Senate for three years, blaming everything on Bush does not hold water any more!!!

    The flood gates are going to open in the 2012 elections.
    You seem to have skipped 2010. Look for a lot of incumbents to be out on their ears. I have already decided I am not voting for one stinking rotten incumbent. Boot them all I say.

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    Actually, there were many policy things as well as state of the union messages.

    The sad part is it has not apparently sunk in to Mr. Obama that the people do not want his government run health care system. Mr. Brown ran as "41" and that got him elected. The people have spoken. I was very disappointed with this as well. A good leader would have realized the current bill is junk. He should have sent them all off to the drawing board to start over again. Of course, know that they have lost the super majority they now need input form the other side. Republicans have offered up alternatives and the super majority laughed and tossed the ideas. Now they will have to actually consider the other side.

    I can also agree with looking into alternative sources of energy. Nuclear for one, like conservatives have been saying for the last 50 years. Seems the liberal side of the aisle suddenly woke up. But don't tell me we need to cut our use of fossil fuels to stop Global Warming. That is a lie and detracts from real and promising solutions. Also Obama agreed for the need to open up off shore drilling. Good job my friend.

    He also spoke of tax cuts for small businesses and corporations who keep jobs here. I can still hear the outcry from Liberals when Bush wanted these things. I'm not so keen on this child tax credit though. Once again, single people and people who choose not to have children get the shaft ad are expected to carry the burden. It may come as a surprise, but my cost to keep my home and stay employed are just as much as the guy with 5 kids. I didn't chose to have all those kids, I shouldn't be subsidizing them.

    All and all, I believe in was a non-partisan speech that offered something for both sides to ponder. The president has realized that his extreme socialism isn't what the people want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    Obama just doesn't get it. He is still pushing gov. controled heath care that the majority don't want. The 787 billion stimulus is not working and he wants to throw more good money after bad. Stimulus is only make work jobs that go away after the money runs out. Need to do massive capital gains tax cut to give people and companies the incentive to invest in private sector companies and small businesses that will provide jobs that will be lasting and continue to pay taxes long into the future.
    I guess you missed the part of the speech where he proposed doing that, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    There were significant policy ideals put forth. You must have missed him or aren't familiar with words that have more than two syllables. It might have been lost on you because he didn't use any pictures.
    Well,I heard a lot of "We've gotta work together on this","We've gotta work together on that" and a couple "We've gotta work together on the other things,too.".
    I don't recall a lot of what he plans to do to get those things done,which what he SHOULD have been saying.If he knows there are problems,doesn't he have an idea of how to solve them,or is he going to spring it on the voters like he did all last year and expect that Congress will just ruberstamp it so he can sign his wish list into law without anyone know what they voted for?
    CBS has a poll out,unscientific of course, where people are asked to grade the President's first year in office.
    In every category,he'd been given an "F" by at least 53% of the respondents.
    That's gotta say something to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    There were significant policy ideals put forth. You must have missed him or aren't familiar with words that have more than two syllables. It might have been lost on you because he didn't use any pictures.
    What do policy ideas have to do with the state of the union? I'm aware of what he said. And 95% of it was him blabbing about what he wants, envisions, likes, or is calling for. Not what is going on now. The state of the union is not a campaign platform.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You seem to have skipped 2010. Look for a lot of incumbents to be out on their ears. I have already decided I am not voting for one stinking rotten incumbent. Boot them all I say.
    You are certainly on the money ScareCrow. I ment to type 2010 but had a brain fart. As far as offering large tax cuts, thats what the Repubs have been telling him for Two years. Since it's now HIS idea, it's now acceptable. It ain't rocket science.

    Health care bill can be 30 pages. Allow companies to sell across state lines. Do not require or allow physicals for applicants. Cannot deny coverage for pre-existing conditions and cannot ask. Must charge the same rates to all customers. (Young will end up paying a premium to average the higher costs of the aged). Cap liability claims. This will reduce cost by reducing many of the CYA tests that doctors have done. (I had the same tests done by three different doctors in 3 months. They would not look at the results from the earlier tests.) Offer coverage to all, and give those who cannot afford a tax reduction or a rebate based on the income claimed on their tax return. Everyone will have to file a return whether they worked or not. One government department to ride rough shod on the insurance companies and doctors instead of 112 new departments now proposed. There is probably one that already exists to do this that is not doing their job.
    Competition between companies will control costs, not government price controls. That will just drive doctors out of the business. Many in our area won't treat medicad/medicare patients because the government won't pay what it costs to treat the patient.
    Have a 90 day waiting period so people can't wait to the last minute to buy insurance just before a major operation. Just like is done now and similar to Hurricane insurance. You can't buy just before a hurricane is heading your way.

    It just doesn't seem like it would take 2,000 pages of law with 112 new departments and government control of 1/6 of the national economy to solve the problem. I like my Blue Cross coverage and don't want to see health care for 270 million people screwed up for 15 -30 million. And no health care for illegals!!!
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    As a very conservative person, I heard several things that I can support. More nuclear power and tax cuts for small business come immediately to mind. Of course what actually comes out of those ideas has yet to be seen. I will judge on the actions that happen or don't happen, not the speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    What do policy ideas have to do with the state of the union?
    Well, I'd say that one could infer to some extent what the state of the union is by what the policy ideas are. For example, policy ideas to improve the economy and create jobs would tell me that the economy needs some help and that people need jobs.

    I'm aware of what he said. And 95% of it was him blabbing about what he wants, envisions, likes, or is calling for. Not what is going on now.
    Personally, I know what the "state of the union" is and unless they've been living in a complete media void, every adult should know too. I don't need to be told what the problems are. I want to be told about the solutions or what he wants to try to fix them.

    The state of the union is not a campaign platform.
    I agree, but I didn't really hear a campaign speech. Granted I was working on something else while watching it, but I hear more of a "motivational speech".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    What do policy ideas have to do with the state of the union?
    I love this question. It almost answers itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    Obama just doesn't get it. He is still pushing gov. controled heath care that the majority don't want.
    The majority of the public is in favor of health care reform that includes a public option. Something missing from the current Senate plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    The 787 billion stimulus is not working and he wants to throw more good money after bad. Stimulus is only make work jobs that go away after the money runs out. Need to do massive capital gains tax cut to give people and companies the incentive to invest in private sector companies and small businesses that will provide jobs that will be lasting and continue to pay taxes long into the future.
    The Stimulus Plan isn't working according to who? Capital gains taxes were mentioned last night. You must have been waiting for visual aids.

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    And no one wants terrorist trials in NYC.
    More generalizations that have no basis in reality. As I've pointed out, the Bush Administration tried several terrorist suspects in civilian courts. Yet those now decrying this issue said nothing back then. What changed?

    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    And after the Democrats have controlled the Congress and the Senate for three years, blaming everything on Bush does not hold water any more!!!
    Why not? Repubs still blame Clinton. Bush blamed almost till the day he left office.

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    Doubtful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    You are certainly on the money ScareCrow. I ment to type 2010 but had a brain fart. As far as offering large tax cuts, thats what the Repubs have been telling him for Two years. Since it's now HIS idea, it's now acceptable. It ain't rocket science.
    You must have missed the tax cut that was already part of the original Stimulus Bill that you claim isn't working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You must have missed the tax cut that was already part of the original Stimulus Bill that you claim isn't working.
    You mean the stimulus bill that added 787 billion to our debt? The stimulus that was supposed to stop our unemployment from reaching 8% (when it is above 10%?) You mean the stimulus that was supposed to CREATE 3,000,000 jobs - but instead is now being touted as creating or saving jobs? You mean the stimulus bill that was used to shore up state and local budgets but really did not stimulate anything?

    As for the majority of people supporting a public option - I am still waiting for you to support this statement. You have made it several times, but never showed any supporting data. Funny how you want others to support their statements, but don't really quite do it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    You mean the stimulus bill that added 787 billion to our debt? The stimulus that was supposed to stop our unemployment from reaching 8% (when it is above 10%?) You mean the stimulus that was supposed to CREATE 3,000,000 jobs - but instead is now being touted as creating or saving jobs? You mean the stimulus bill that was used to shore up state and local budgets but really did not stimulate anything?
    The Economic Policy Institute for the quarter ending last June stated, "announced the Obama stimulus measures overall added "up to 3 full percentage points of annualized growth in the quarter." The [sarcasm]very liberal[/sarcasm] Wall Street Journal stated:

    Many forecasters say stimulus spending is adding two to three percentage points to economic growth in the second and third quarters, when measured at an annual rate. The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter -- something that seemed almost implausible just a few months ago. Some economists say the 1% contraction in the second quarter would have been far worse, possibly as much as 3.2%, if not for the stimulus.
    Only a fraction of the stimulus pot has been spent to date. As of January 25, 2010, only $172 billion of the program budget had spent so far with another $157 billion in process, leaving $251 billion in remaining funding. Meanwhile, by ProPublica's accounting, $93 billion in ARRA tax cuts have been paid out, with another $119 billion still to come.

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    As for the majority of people supporting a public option - I am still waiting for you to support this statement. You have made it several times, but never showed any supporting data. Funny how you want others to support their statements, but don't really quite do it yourself.
    Here's one link. I'm sure I could more recent links if bothered.

    Doesn't matter. I'm sure you'll just claim it still isn't true. You know what they say about singing to a pig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Doesn't matter. I'm sure you'll just claim it still isn't true. You know what they say about singing to a pig.
    Why don't you be an adult and give me the benefit of the doubt? I know that you love to assume that I would not - but instead you choose to a child and refuse to offer up supporting data for your statement.

    Seeing as how you choose to be lazy and not support your statement, I did a simple Google search - it took all of 10 seconds - and I found numerous polls showing varied support most within 2-3 points of 50% either way.

    For your information - I used "support for public option" for the search, and most of those polls were printed from August - October. That is 3-5 months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Why don't you be an adult and give me the benefit of the doubt? I know that you love to assume that I would not - but instead you choose to a child and refuse to offer up supporting data for your statement.
    Only proving you didn't read the link I posted. I could do a Google search that will prove just the opposite.

    No further comments necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    As far as offering large tax cuts, thats what the Repubs have been telling him for Two years. Since it's now HIS idea, it's now acceptable.
    So, if I'm understanding you correctly, the Democratic President wants to implement something "the Repubs have been telling him for Two years" (only 1 of which he's been President) and this somehow still upsets you.

    Should we focus on the right actions being taken or should we be worried about who gets "credit"?

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