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    Our department recieved a grant for a tanker in 2008 and I was wondering what the odds are to get selected for an engine are? I heard from a reliable source today that no one has ever recieved 2 AFG grants for apparatus.

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    not true i got an engine in 06 and a tanker this year

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    There are several more up to speed than myself on this but a lot of your chances deals with how old your current engines are.

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    Many Dept's have rceived vehicles in back to back year.

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    '05 pumper/tanker and an '07 quick attack. It's possible.

    Like with anything, you have to show the need for whatever apparatus you're going to apply for. If you have more and newer engines compared to others, you're not going to score as well. If you have fewer and older, you'll score well. Call volume and other factors also come into play.

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    If the average age of your fleet is still beyond 20 years and you can prove the need, you can do it. Have done several that way.
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    Default 2 Rigs on AFG

    I have also received a tanker and a pumper back to back.......just write a great narrative!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780 View Post
    If the average age of your fleet is still beyond 20 years and you can prove the need, you can do it. Have done several that way.
    Is it still possible to get a second vehicle if you fleet age is under 20 years? After the first one you would have to have pretty old trucks to average 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFDRAS View Post
    Is it still possible to get a second vehicle if you fleet age is under 20 years? After the first one you would have to have pretty old trucks to average 20 years.
    Not hard for a LOT of departments to still meet the 20 year average even if they have
    a new vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Not hard for a LOT of departments to still meet the 20 year average even if they have
    a new vehicle.
    When we got our quick attack, we still met the 20-year average with only three vehicles, one of which was a year old.

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    Gonna try to apply for a truck in 2011. Question is do they exclude trucks like rescues and brushtrucks from your average fleet age or do they include them

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    All apparatus counts, save for chief's cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    All apparatus counts, save for chief's cars.
    Ok now I am confused. Brian is it total fleet or is it same type of vehicle, engine(s), tenders, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJVaughn View Post
    Ok now I am confused. Brian is it total fleet or is it same type of vehicle, engine(s), tenders, etc?
    When you put in for an apparatus you'll be asked the type, age, GPM, and gallonage of your apparatus. If you have two engines, both will be listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJVaughn View Post
    Ok now I am confused. Brian is it total fleet or is it same type of vehicle, engine(s), tenders, etc?
    Total fleet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    When you put in for an apparatus you'll be asked the type, age, GPM, and gallonage of your apparatus. If you have two engines, both will be listed.
    Actually Catch22, if I remember correctly, they will ask for it on all trucks in fleet including "other" and it figures your avaerge age on the whole list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780 View Post
    Actually Catch22, if I remember correctly, they will ask for it on all trucks in fleet including "other" and it figures your avaerge age on the whole list.
    That's what I was trying to get at. I thought it was there and had to log in and actually find the section. It was under an "apparatus inventory" in the request details. I've only got engines, tankers, and brush trucks, so I didn't have to deal with the "other".

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    This year it was everything but "Other" in the listing, they didn't want chief's cars, maintenance trucks, canteens and the like in the listing. It was only frontline large fleet vehicles so brush, pumpers, tankers, aerials/quints. The primary comparison on age in the app is what the request is, so asking for a tanker checks your existing tanker ages. Then it looks at overall age since someone that bought a new brush truck and has one 35 year old pumper will show at 18 year average but obviously is in dire need of a new pumper and/or tanker. They've modified the scoring in those areas to make fill in the more gray areas and make sure the numbers tell the true story.

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