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    Quote Originally Posted by RS1606 View Post
    our explorer cheif and asst cheif capt and Lt carry radios for each officer has their own explorer company so my company leader is the cheif and im in company 1 so if on the scene the real ff cheif ask for a PAR than each explorer officer can report on the accountability of there commpany
    Same for you. Pay more attention in school rather than being so concerned with the explorer post. Your writing and grammar usage is atrocious. If you plan on making a career out of the fire service, you will need good written and verbal communication skills- Instant Message Speak does not count, nor do your misspellings or other mistakes above.
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    Jr. Members in my dept are allowed to purchase a radio if they wish. However, they are not allowed to have the TX function on the county frequency. The only channel they are allowed to TX on is the dept's private channel for use on calls and training.

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    i posted the wrong thing on here ignore this re-edit
    Last edited by RS1606; 02-17-2010 at 01:13 PM. Reason: i posted the wrong thing. ignore this

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Why would Jrs. have any need to "call par"? They should not be anywhere near the hot or warm zone and therefore there no chance they could "get lost". Just wait your turn, hand out water, roll hose, and stay out of the way. Give it time, pay your dues and when the time comes you can talk on the radio till heart is content.
    the department that im in has had some preaty big fires, but no we are not in the "hot zone" but if PAR is called they need to know that EVERY one if accounted for.

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    With our dept. all personnel have radios with page capabilities, however our "Probie's, Junior's, Explorer's " or whatever you call them do not have the repeater freq. in them. This enables them to listen and talk on local channels, but limits what the whole county can here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS1606 View Post
    the department that im in has had some preaty big fires, but no we are not in the "hot zone" but if PAR is called they need to know that EVERY one if accounted for.
    Let me put it in your language... Maybe you'll understand then.
    U don undrstnd wot da bulls try!i8 2 g3t acr0$t. u don n33d a p0rtabl3 2 ca!! par in 4 ur 3xp!03r$. don bur$t ur zipp3r.

    If your explorers/juniors are following the rules and doing what they're supposed to be doing, they should have NO NEED TO USE A RADIO TO CALL A PAR because they should be with a firefighter/some senior authority who knows where they are at all times and who has his own radio.

    Instead of using a portable for explorers/juniors to call PAR, how about we think outside of the box. Lets have them all meet in one common area like you learn to do in school when you have a fire drill. Do a manual head count and tell your adult advisor/supervisor. I know it's not the cool way of doing things, but you'll get to do it someday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFxplr326 View Post
    Let me put it in your language... Maybe you'll understand then.
    U don undrstnd wot da bulls try!i8 2 g3t acr0$t. u don n33d a p0rtabl3 2 ca!! par in 4 ur 3xp!03r$. don bur$t ur zipp3r.

    If your explorers/juniors are following the rules and doing what they're supposed to be doing, they should have NO NEED TO USE A RADIO TO CALL A PAR because they should be with a firefighter/some senior authority who knows where they are at all times and who has his own radio.

    Instead of using a portable for explorers/juniors to call PAR, how about we think outside of the box. Lets have them all meet in one common area like you learn to do in school when you have a fire drill. Do a manual head count and tell your adult advisor/supervisor. I know it's not the cool way of doing things, but you'll get to do it someday.
    Thank you Brother, That is what I was trying to convey to Jr here. If they are in the "cold zone" there no need to call par. "PAR1, Handing out water. PAR2, rolling hose. PAR3 retrieving fresh bottles." Just down right stupid. Stay off the radio and let the grown ups work. I don't care how big or small the fire, MVA or what ever the call is, jrs and damn sure the explorers don't need a radio. If your Chief is worth his salt, you will not be anywhere near the action and therefore have no need to use a radio. If your dept. is having that big of man power issues that require you to have to use Kids to operate, then your dept. needs to recruit some more adults or request for MA.
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    As a junior I can't even ride the first out rigs. Not aloud out on scene until commanding officers approval. Can ride tankers though and help water shuttle. Sure as hell don't need a radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGITCH View Post
    As a junior I can't even ride the first out rigs. Not aloud out on scene until commanding officers approval. Can ride tankers though and help water shuttle. Sure as hell don't need a radio.
    Sounds like your dept. has their ducks in a row. Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Sounds like your dept. has their ducks in a row. Good post.

    P.S. Like those yellow trucks of yours.
    Why would anyone post a picture of the public works garage in a juniors/explorers forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Why would anyone post a picture of the public works garage in a juniors/explorers forum?
    I guess for the uneducated, it could be confusing. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Thank you Brother, That is what I was trying to convey to Jr here. If they are in the "cold zone" there no need to call par. "PAR1, Handing out water. PAR2, rolling hose. PAR3 retrieving fresh bottles." Just down right stupid. Stay off the radio and let the grown ups work. I don't care how big or small the fire, MVA or what ever the call is, jrs and damn sure the explorers don't need a radio. If your Chief is worth his salt, you will not be anywhere near the action and therefore have no need to use a radio. If your dept. is having that big of man power issues that require you to have to use Kids to operate, then your dept. needs to recruit some more adults or request for MA.
    i think what your saying is that you dont like the fact that you dont like the fact Jrs and explorers get to use radios and they have less training, i mean there is no reson for us not to have one, its not like we are on there talking to our best friends.

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    Jrs. have their place on the fire dept. They can be useful and can be important to the future of the vol. dept. BUT there are only certain things that they are allowed to do, Which is a shorter list than the one which tells you what they can not do. I do not like giving the kids enough rope to hang themselves with. You have to keep a tight rein on them or they will get hurt and get the dept. in trouble. Giving kids radios is like temping fate. While you might have the best intentions in what you are doing, you neither have the training or the experience to do it. Remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions. With time and age you will and just be willing to wait your turn and pay your dues. What I have a problem with is depts. that allow Jrs. to operate in that fine gray area, because sooner than latter they are going to get someone hurt or killed, all because they did not want to hurt little Billy feelings. Again you should not be anywhere on the fire ground that you would need a radio to start with. So why have one. If you see something happen while driving down the road, use your cell phone and call it in, like everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Jrs. have their place on the fire dept. They can be useful and can be important to the future of the vol. dept. BUT there are only certain things that they are allowed to do, Which is a shorter list than the one which tells you what they can not do. I do not like giving the kids enough rope to hang themselves with. You have to keep a tight rein on them or they will get hurt and get the dept. in trouble. Giving kids radios is like temping fate. While you might have the best intentions in what you are doing, you neither have the training or the experience to do it. Remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions. With time and age you will and just be willing to wait your turn and pay your dues. What I have a problem with is depts. that allow Jrs. to operate in that fine gray area, because sooner than latter they are going to get someone hurt or killed, all because they did not want to hurt little Billy feelings. Again you should not be anywhere on the fire ground that you would need a radio to start with. So why have one. If you see something happen while driving down the road, use your cell phone and call it in, like everyone else.
    ok sir, i see more of what your saying now, and i fully understand what you mean by that, every radio user has to go through a radio class. which is a very interesting class, we go over the vhf, uhf, cb and 800 radio operations and get our HAM radio certs. but i see what your saying from your stand point. we shouldnt have them with out proper trainging, and i'm very sorry for geting smart with you in my last post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Giving kids radios is like temping fate. While you might have the best intentions in what you are doing, you neither have the training or the experience to do it.
    Thats a bunch of crap. The only reason they don't have the training or experience is because it isn't offered to them. Ours get training and therefore experience and frankly, they're better than a lot of senior firefighters when it comes to handling a two ways radio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Sounds like your dept. has their ducks in a row. Good post.
    P.S. Like those yellow trucks of yours.
    Yea buddy!!! People don't know what color fire trucks should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Thank you Brother, That is what I was trying to convey to Jr here. If they are in the "cold zone" there no need to call par. "PAR1, Handing out water. PAR2, rolling hose. PAR3 retrieving fresh bottles." Just down right stupid. Stay off the radio and let the grown ups work. I don't care how big or small the fire, MVA or what ever the call is, jrs and damn sure the explorers don't need a radio. If your Chief is worth his salt, you will not be anywhere near the action and therefore have no need to use a radio. If your dept. is having that big of man power issues that require you to have to use Kids to operate, then your dept. needs to recruit some more adults or request for MA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RS1606 View Post
    i think what your saying is that you dont like the fact that you dont like the fact Jrs and explorers get to use radios and they have less training, i mean there is no reson for us not to have one, its not like we are on there talking to our best friends.
    THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
    I think what you're trying to say is that you don't like the answer no.
    I don't even see the point with proper training. I'm not against getting communications training and learning how to use them and using them for training situations. But on an emergency scene, there's still no reason. Save them for the guys that need them and are working. And if there's radios left that you can grab off the engine, leave it be. Maybe someone will need the battery off it or their portable dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Thats a bunch of crap. The only reason they don't have the training or experience is because it isn't offered to them. Ours get training and therefore experience and frankly, they're better than a lot of senior firefighters when it comes to handling a two ways radio.
    Ok so you train your kids. Great I've got no problem with training. OK? Now what? They are expert radio operators? That and 25 cent will not get you a cup of coffee. They still can not operate on the fire ground or any other scene. Maybe they can hang out up at dispatch? If your Jrs are better on the radios than your SR. FF then maybe they need some training also. The question still remains, why do they, The Jrs., need their own radios?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Thats a bunch of crap. The only reason they don't have the training or experience is because it isn't offered to them. Ours get training and therefore experience and frankly, they're better than a lot of senior firefighters when it comes to handling a two ways radio.
    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Ok so you train your kids. Great I've got no problem with training. OK? Now what? They are expert radio operators? That and 25 cent will not get you a cup of coffee. They still can not operate on the fire ground or any other scene. Maybe they can hang out up at dispatch? If your Jrs are better on the radios than your SR. FF then maybe they need some training also. The question still remains, why do they, The Jrs., need their own radios?
    We're not trying to advocate against training with them. It's great that you have a resources to be able to train with them and teach the juniors/explorers how to properly use them. It's great that you're able to train your kids to use them better than some senior guys... I commend you for that. My old post also trained with them, a lot, and use them for several events throughout the year. But never on a fire scene, unless for some odd reason we had portables that are owned by the post, which are kept at an advisors house (so we'd never have them anyways). I, however, will not be an advocate of an explorer taking a portable off of an inservice rig at a scene unless they are told specifically to do so by a superior. A senior firefighter who is operating in the hot zone may need that piece of equipment. They can listen to communications activities on an emergency scene by standing near the IC or a superior who has a portable. Leave them for the ones that need them...
    And sure, maybe your kids are competent and mature enough to be able to carry a portable at a fire scene - I'm not arguing that. But we all know there are some people who simply aren't and could cause trouble by saying something they shouldn't be saying (maybe something specific to the investigation/cause or using wrong language or using it to ask their buddy what they think about the girl standing across the street).
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    Do juniors need radios.

    Why no - of course not. 30+ years ago when I got started we did not have radios for everyone, Why does everyone need one now?

    Of course not. Even though we have some Juniors that are more mature than many so called adult firefighters (Come on, you know you have the same situation) we just like to lump all of them into the same "immature" bunch.

    Heck no. They MIGHT use them improperly. I am not sure what magic appears on the 18th birthday that changes everything, but it is there.

    NO! Our juniors never have a need. (Mine do - they work as runners, they work in our rehab, they take care of our water points. I want to be able to reach them when I need to)

    Why not give them the responsibility and let them run with it? If they screw up, take that responsibility away from the ones that screw up.

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