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    Quote Originally Posted by jbfitz View Post
    St. Paul's a damn good department, I'd say just in getting appointed there he's done quite well for himself. You people do realize that most top departments couldn't care less about prior certs, degrees and other pieces of paper right?
    This is true. But I think you are missing the main point. Is to get a taste of it to make the Department Academy easier for yourself so you are less likely to fail out.
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    I have some advice for you. If you don't like him, don't take his advice. You don't have to be a ***** to the guy, especially since, as far as I can tell, you don't even know him. If you think his advice is useless, don't listen to him... and we'll see how far you get in your fire service career.
    I hope for your sake, if you make it to an academy, your reading comprehension improves. My post was directed towards what stcaf posted just above mine.
    If you read the entire thread, you will see I agree with the Chief's posting.
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    This is the exact route I'm taking to become a FF. I know everyone takes different roads to land their dream job so this plan mapped out by Chief Lepore may not be ideal for you.

    I'm currently taking my EMT cert, then I'll be working as an EMT for 6 months. After that, I'll start my FF1 academy.

    At that point, I feel I will have a foundation to build upon. I do not like starting something unless I feel I'm prepared. I owe it to the public I will serve to be the best I can be.

    I live in SoCal, maybe that's why Chief Lepore and I share the same sentiments.

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    STCAF,
    Your anger and bitterness overcome you.

    Before you call BS, get your facts. You might start by looking at the failure rate for Southern California fire departments. It is not my place to list the departments by name, but I assure you my facts are correct. In fact, I am very familiar with a department who hired lateral medics and fired 70% of them. This department no longer hires outside medics. They send their own guys to school instead.

    I am familiar with another department who hires medics that has them ride 4 shifts on the box BEFORE putting them through their academy. If their medic skills are not up to speed, they are terminated at the end of the 4th shift.

    You seem to believe my information and background are not credible. I can tell you that I have been involved in literally of hundreds of entry-level (and promotional) interviews. Every statement I have made is based on my own experiences.

    Do I believe military men and women excel in the fire service? Absolutely I do. They understand how to work in diverse environments with people from different backgrounds. They understand honor and commitment and the fact that you know your place.

    Yes, I did say that most often the people who fail out of an academy are the people who have not been through one before. If someone is learning the balance point of a ladder for the first time, they are already behind those who already have learned this. The same thing applies to someone who has already taken an EMT class. He is way ahead of his peers who are learning EMT for the first time.

    Yes, I did say "LEARN HOW TO TAKE A FIRE DEPARTMENT INTERVIEW.”
    A fire department iinterview is much different that a regular job interview. Here's how; In a regular job interview you try to convince the panel that you are the most QUALIFIED person and that the business really cannot afford NOT to hire you.

    In a fire department interview you want to come across as being HUMBLE, yet competent and capable. Most importantly, you want to convince the panel that you will make it through our training (remember a HIGH percentage will not), that you will be able to complete probation, and most importantly that my crews will like and respect you.

    You wrote, "Maybe because communities only require a drivers lic and a HS degree so they can get a “well rounded” group of applicants."

    These are the MINIMUM qualifications that are set by the CITY. They are not set by the fire department. I would not suscribe to you theory of how to prepare for a firefighter position. I advocate going to a fire academy, becomming an EMT, reserve firefighter, working on your degree, and considering Paramedic school.

    You and I are not going to agree. What I will tell you is that I put my money where my mouth is, my own flesh and blood. My daughter is getting married in May to a guy who is in an academy NOW. He just completed his EMT course and his bachelors. Next he will get a job as an EMT and build up hours for Paramedic school. He will do this while finishing his fire science degree.

    He will EARN a job , regardless of what his father (or father in law does for a living). I see the sacrafices that he and my daughter make. He is learning a great deal that will help his chances of being successful when he finally gets hired. As he clearly understands, there are no guarantees once you get hired. I have made it abundantly clear to him that the real work begins the day he starts a fire department's academy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulLepore View Post
    STCAF,
    Your anger and bitterness overcome you.

    Before you call BS, get your facts. You might start by looking at the failure rate for Southern California fire departments. It is not my place to list the departments by name, but I assure you my facts are correct. In fact, I am very familiar with a department who hired lateral medics and fired 70% of them. This department no longer hires outside medics. They send their own guys to school instead.

    I am familiar with another department who hires medics that has them ride 4 shifts on the box BEFORE putting them through their academy. If their medic skills are not up to speed, they are terminated at the end of the 4th shift.

    You seem to believe my information and background are not credible. I can tell you that I have been involved in literally of hundreds of entry-level (and promotional) interviews. Every statement I have made is based on my own experiences.

    Do I believe military men and women excel in the fire service? Absolutely I do. They understand how to work in diverse environments with people from different backgrounds. They understand honor and commitment and the fact that you know your place.

    Yes, I did say that most often the people who fail out of an academy are the people who have not been through one before. If someone is learning the balance point of a ladder for the first time, they are already behind those who already have learned this. The same thing applies to someone who has already taken an EMT class. He is way ahead of his peers who are learning EMT for the first time.

    Yes, I did say "LEARN HOW TO TAKE A FIRE DEPARTMENT INTERVIEW.”
    A fire department iinterview is much different that a regular job interview. Here's how; In a regular job interview you try to convince the panel that you are the most QUALIFIED person and that the business really cannot afford NOT to hire you.

    In a fire department interview you want to come across as being HUMBLE, yet competent and capable. Most importantly, you want to convince the panel that you will make it through our training (remember a HIGH percentage will not), that you will be able to complete probation, and most importantly that my crews will like and respect you.

    You wrote, "Maybe because communities only require a drivers lic and a HS degree so they can get a “well rounded” group of applicants."

    These are the MINIMUM qualifications that are set by the CITY. They are not set by the fire department. I would not suscribe to you theory of how to prepare for a firefighter position. I advocate going to a fire academy, becomming an EMT, reserve firefighter, working on your degree, and considering Paramedic school.

    You and I are not going to agree. What I will tell you is that I put my money where my mouth is, my own flesh and blood. My daughter is getting married in May to a guy who is in an academy NOW. He just completed his EMT course and his bachelors. Next he will get a job as an EMT and build up hours for Paramedic school. He will do this while finishing his fire science degree.

    He will EARN a job , regardless of what his father (or father in law does for a living). I see the sacrafices that he and my daughter make. He is learning a great deal that will help his chances of being successful when he finally gets hired. As he clearly understands, there are no guarantees once you get hired. I have made it abundantly clear to him that the real work begins the day he starts a fire department's academy.
    Bravo chief!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stcaf View Post
    Typical Obamaish socialist comments. You and Tipys should get your own department and fire 40% of the people you hire.

    If I was a city manager and my academy flushed out 40%, I would fire the chief or take issue with the commission.
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    Chief Lepore thank you for all the great advice you have given in the forums. My question to you is should i attend paramedic school starting in May or attend a firefighter academy. I currently live in Dallas and i have my EMT already with some hospital experience as i was a nurses assistant before my EMT. I also have two college degrees. I really want to work for Dallas Fire Rescue and during my final internship for my EMT i had the privilege ro ride along with firefighter/paramedics. It has given me great insight and it was a great learning experience as well. I am doing everything it takes so i can be ready when the test comes along in the fall. Thank you for your time and any adivce you could give me.

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    Typical Obamaish socialist comments. You and Tipys should get your own department and fire 40% of the people you hire.

    If I was a city manager and my academy flushed out 40%, I would fire the chief or take issue with the commission.
    The hell with reading comprehension.....you had better get back on your meds.
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