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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So, when Obama said,

    "I have put forward a plan that will get our troops out by the end of 2009."
    Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008

    You are okay with his apparent backpedal?

    Was he just naive when he made the original promise?

    Or do we just ignore it all because he has a (D) after his name?
    Don't know. You'll have to ask him. Could be the circumstances that were in place when he made that statement had changed by the time he took office.

    Unless you believe circumstances during wartime are static.

    Do you believe none of those are also possibilities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Don't know. You'll have to ask him. Could be the circumstances that were in place when he made that statement had changed by the time he took office.

    Unless you believe circumstances during wartime are static.

    Do you believe none of those are also possibilities?
    Did you not want to answer the question? It was posed to you, not Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Did you not want to answer the question? It was posed to you, not Obama.
    I wasn't elected President of the United States with all the access to information that brings.

    This is a ridiculous question from start to finish. You want me to answer for someone else's actions given that I have zero familiarity with the situation and the information used to make that decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I wasn't elected President of the United States with all the access to information that brings.

    This is a ridiculous question from start to finish. You want me to answer for someone else's actions given that I have zero familiarity with the situation and the information used to make that decision.
    Wow, what a blatant cop-out.

    It's a fairly direct question.

    I'm not asking you to answer for his actions, I'm asking for your opinion about his actions.

    You certainly have no problem giving us your opinion about a republican's actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    When have I used the HuffPo as a source?
    I don't know, I make no marks on my callendar of when you do. But you criticize many here for where they get their "talking points" and you get yours from a variety of sources. Huffington Post (or HuffPo - interesting that you either know or make up an abbreviation for it) is just one of the many sources liberals use.

    How hypocritical of you to be able to use sources of your choice but not allow others to do so without your criticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    "How do you keep an idiot in suspense?"
    By asking a liar, hypocrit, and person incapable of supporting their claims.....a person like you to support their statements. Especially when they ask that you do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Wow, what a blatant cop-out.

    It's a fairly direct question.

    I'm not asking you to answer for his actions, I'm asking for your opinion about his actions.

    You certainly have no problem giving us your opinion about a republican's actions.
    You will NEVER, EVER get an answer to this question Chief. He will NEVER, EVER criticize a Democrat/liberal/progressive.

    He rarely, if ever gives his own opinion. A waste of your time to even ask a question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You claim Bush is intelligent because he went to Ivy League schools. Fair enough. Obama is an Ivy League grad. As is Al Gore. As is John Kerry. As is Bill Clinton. Also a Rhodes Scholar. Hillary Clinton was valedictorian as Wellesley. Are they just as intelligent (if not more so) than Bush? Conversely, your talking points come right off the Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity blabberfest known as conservative talk radio. All three of those individuals are college dropouts.
    Ivy league means nothing when it comes to education. No better or worse of an education than one receives at any other college or university. Just that individuals in society think it means they are smarter.

    And while you criticize the sources/individuals a person may use in their discussion, you never go after the individual facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Point me to one conservative ideal over the last 20 years that has been beneficial to the American people. Conservatism has just about ruined this country and has been the root cause of the most partisan rhetoric I've seen in my lifetime. Conservatism was once about optimism and looking to the future. Now it is about fear. Fear of taxes, fear of gays, fear of immigrants, and most significant, fear of the government.
    See, this is where you liberals get all wacky. It is not fear of taxes - it is improper utilization of those taxes and the push by elected officials to increase taxes at the drop of a hat. How much more tax do you wish to pay for your state's pending financial implosion?

    It is not about fear of gays. It is about the dislike of a lifestyle, not the individual - unless you belong to Ralph Phelps' church.

    It is not about fear of immigrants. You liberals seem to forget that it is about ILLEGAL immigration. If one crosses the border into this nation in known violation of both their home country's and our laws - that makes it a crime. Everything good or bad that they do after that is built on the premise of them being a criminal. You need to address the matter correctly - you won't but that would just be too much to assk.

    It is not about fear of government. It is a distrust of government that spends with no accountability, that is run by elected officials and beaurocrats that chip away at individual rights and liberties and freedoms.

    Typical.


    Also nice how you only blame Conservatism for rhetoric while a Republican is blamed for being in "lock-step" with the party if they vote a particular way, but if every single Democratic legislator votes the same way on a bill - say health care "reform" you liberals don't say anything.

    The partisanship comes both sides - I hate to break the news to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This country (especially the private sector) wouldn't exist were it not for both public investment, but government protection. Not that you would understand why.
    Would that be the same government that was supposed to "protect" citizens from banks and financial institutions making poor and illegal choices? The same government that was supposed to "protect" citizens from schemers like Bernie Madoff and countless others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Always appreciated when the marginally literate step forward to try and explain history, as it was fed to them by the sites they frequent.
    Great, Soros sockpuppet is back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I didn't dispel your post. I've dispelled all those points over the years via the writings of others.

    There's only one of me. A new wackjob like you pops up every week.


    Point me to one conservative ideal over the last 20 years that has been beneficial to the American people. Conservatism has just about ruined this country and has been the root cause of the most partisan rhetoric I've seen in my lifetime. Conservatism was once about optimism and looking to the future. Now it is about fear. Fear of taxes, fear of gays, fear of immigrants, and most significant, fear of the government. This country (especially the private sector) wouldn't exist were it not for both public investment, but government protection. Not that you would understand why.
    You have never dispelled anything or ran anyone off, the deal is your like the punch drunk boxer who lost his game years ago won't do the smart thing and quit and save what brain cells he has left....people stop watching it's brutal, the crap you speel daily on here.

    I know you deny it but the as I already pointed out the "Balanced budget ammenment" during the Cinton administration just name one. Keep in mind the republicans did it but you libs take credit for it.

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    Oh and the Patriot Act

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Wow, what a blatant cop-out.

    It's a fairly direct question.

    I'm not asking you to answer for his actions, I'm asking for your opinion about his actions.

    You certainly have no problem giving us your opinion about a republican's actions.
    I already gave you my opinion. I said I wasn't happy about it.
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    Oh and the Medicare Prescription benifit W enacted.

    If you wake up from your coma caveman you will find many more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    You have never dispelled anything or ran anyone off, the deal is your like the punch drunk boxer who lost his game years ago won't do the smart thing and quit and save what brain cells he has left....people stop watching it's brutal, the crap you speel daily on here.
    I've dispelled numerous myths put on these boards by conservatives. I've never claimed to have run anyone off. Your continued response to me is all the proof I need to dispel the rest of your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    I know you deny it but the as I already pointed out the "Balanced budget ammenment" during the Cinton administration just name one. Keep in mind the republicans did it but you libs take credit for it.
    Great. Because one of the many complaints by conservatives is that Clinton "gutted" the military. Since spending bills originate in congress (which had a conservative majority) you would then have to agree it was conservatives who were the ones who actually "gutted" the military.

    Thank you.
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    That was done in the first two years as was NAFTA that has killed the US economy. Those blunders are what brought about the change in the leadership of Congress as the American people spoke.

    Ok now what "I know you are but what am I" reply?


    And by the way:

    Republicans don't care what two people do behing closed doors, they just believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Ivy league means nothing when it comes to education. No better or worse of an education than one receives at any other college or university. Just that individuals in society think it means they are smarter.
    I never said they were better or worse than any other. If you reread my post, I was responding to baja's implication that Bush must be intelligent because of his Ivy League pedigree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    That was done in the first two years as was NAFTA that has killed the US economy. Those blunders are what brought about the change in the leadership of Congress as the American people spoke.
    The Balanced Budget Ammendment was brought in the first two years of the Clinton Administration? Now I know you are literacy challenged. That time frame had a Dem majority in both houses of congress. You may want to rethink your position about NAFTA killing the US economy. This report details the numerous ways Americans have benefitted from its being enacted. Check out the date and try to remember who was president at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    And by the way:

    Republicans don't care what two people do behing closed doors, they just believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
    Which dispels the myth that conservatives believe in liberty and freedom of individuals as long as those individuals have their parochial view.

    And thank you for admitting it was actually conservatives who "gutted" the military. Leaving us vulnerable on 9/11.
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    Wow how do you read I blame Republicans when I pointed out this stuff happened while the Democrats controlled everything? Unreal????

    You sir are blind, stop beating your head on that post it's getting ugly.

    Time to start talking about Fire Service issues again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    Wow how do you read I blame Republicans when I pointed out this stuff happened while the Democrats controlled everything? Unreal????
    You stated that NAFTA and the Balanced Budget Ammendment (which you claim is a good thing) were passed during Clinton's first two years. Those were the only two years that saw a Dem president with a Dem majority in congress during the Clinton Administration. BTW, the groundwork for NAFTA was laid long before Clinton came to office. I know conservatives such as yourself aren't big on history, so I don't expect you to know that.

    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    You sir are blind, stop beating your head on that post it's getting ugly.
    All I did was point out the discrepancies in your "facts." Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    Time to start talking about Fire Service issues again.
    This is called the Off Duty Forum for a reason.

    I'm thinking vocabulary and comprehension aren't big in your neck of the woods.
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    Heard from the news today that Lindsey Vonn will give her gold medal for down hill skiing to Mr. Obama next week.

    She said he is faster than she is, going down hill.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
    Heard from the news today that Lindsey Vonn will give her gold medal for down hill skiing to Mr. Obama next week.

    She said he is faster than she is, going down hill.........
    Actually, he has pretty much flattened out with around 50% approving and 45% disapproving. Interesting is that back in Late January when Brown won the election Obama also threatened to go after Wall Street and the banks. His approval and disapproval ratings flip flopped and for once more people disapproved than approved. At least according to Gallup. Since that time he has backed off on the banks and Wall Street (Thank GOD) and he is stopped the partisan politics and began reaching across the aisle. I also think that people view this Health Care Bill to be dead and that is helping his ratings as well. That and he finally started to focus on jobs a year too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    53% Approval, 44% Disapprove

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    Which is higher than Ronald Reagan at a similar point in their respective administrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    Rasmussen is one of the more respected polling groups. They do ask the questions in a way that gets the truth rather than the desired result. Gallup is also respected and can be found at this link. Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval Currently at 50% approve and 44% disapprove. The numbers bottomed out around the time Brown got elected forcing Obama to reach across the aisle. Up until then he was doing as he pleased ignoring a large part of the p[population. He is still being ignorant by pushing an ill-advised and poorly written Health Care entitlement program. There is no reform in this bill and it will simply drive up the cost.

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    And Baja.

    As low as Obama's favorables are currently, the GOP and GOP leadership favorables are even lower.
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    SC how's Congress rated these days?

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