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    Quote Originally Posted by DFDCar1 View Post
    C'mon, "neighbor", I've always tried to maintain civility with you, because you ARE in a neighboring county where I often teach, but GET REAL WITH THIS ONE!!! How can you attribute POOR LUCK and POOR LIFESTYLE as the cause of these dreadful diseases in firefighters. There is MORE than sufficient information out there tying cancer to firefighters occupations.

    When you attribute "luck" to firefighters acquiring disease, you minimize the importance of cleaning your PPE AT LEAST every 6-months, installing exhaust units, hand washing, and virtually every other occupational health and safety precaution that exists. Yes, smokers and "chewers" have a much higher risk, but the stats are showing PLENTY of FF cancer cases for non-smokers. Yes, some poorly trained / disciplined FF's take their masks off too soon, but it's not only them that are suffering from cancer, either.

    Get a reality check on this one, Scarecrow. Firefighters, because of the job they do, even when done 100% correctly, experience a higher cancer rate than most other occupations. When was the last time that YOUR FD checked YOU for cancer during one of those non-NFPA compliant annual physicals that the NYS Department of Labor allows for firefighters????
    In general, I have a problem with a lot of these things. For instance, we have found that people on welfare have a higher number of cavities than those not on welfare. Conclusion is we need to spend more on dental care for these people.

    Ask yourself this one though. How many of those who got cancer would have gotten it even if they weren't fire fighters.

    Here is a study on the issue Study: Firefighters face higher cancer rates

    "They can get DNA damage," she said. However, Ruskin said not every firefighter on the job will get cancer, much the same as that not every smoker will develop lung cancer.

    "It's a combination of exposure and genetic predisposition," she said.

    Research shows that environment, including diet and lifestyle, causes up to 90 percent of all cancer.
    It is like that old saying, if you smoke you will get cancer. And heck, exposure to sun light causes skin cancer, sop don't go outside in short sleeve shirts, shorts and always wear a hat.

    Matter of fact, My mother worked for Social Services and got Cancer, probably form exposure to the welfare class... I just have a problem with these kinds of statements.

    X is more likely to experience Y; therefore all of X gets special considerations.

    Here is a good read on this from NIOSH Occupational Cancer

    Cancer is a group of different diseases that have the same feature, the uncontrolled growth and spread of abnormal cells. Each different type of cancer may have its own set of causes. Many factors play a role in the development of cancer. The importance of these factors is different for different types of cancer. A person's risk of developing a particular cancer is influenced by a combination of factors that interact in ways that are not fully understood. Some of the factors include:

    * Personal characteristics such as age, sex, and race
    * Family history of cancer
    * Diet and personal habits such as cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption
    * The presence of certain medical conditions
    * Exposure to cancer-causing agents in the environment
    * Exposure to cancer-causing agents in the workplace

    In many cases, these factors may act together or in sequence to cause cancer.
    In this case, they are talking about teachers in a school. People in any workplace tend to have similar lifestyles outside the workplace as well. Guys in a small factory get out of work each Friday and go have one at the same bar. So why didn't the bar cause the cancer?

    Now obviously, as fire fighters, we are exposed to a lot of bad stuff, as are most blue collar workers. Therefore, we need to protect ourselves. Used to be when working on the backhoes and dozer we just stuck our hands in and got the job done. All kinds of greases and oils absorbing through the skin, that couldn't be good. We used to wash our hands with gasoline to get the dirt off. Gasoline is a wonderful solvent and cleaning agent. The workplace represents a place where we spend about 20% of our adult working lives. That only occurs for 40 years of an 80 year lifespan. Hence, the workplace accounts for roughly 10% of your environmental exposure. There is another 90% that also figures into the equation of environmental exposure. No add in the fact that lifestyle and diet also affect cancer rates and the workplace ends up accounting for about 5% of the overall equation.

    The reason that the workplace gets targeted is so that lawyers can get rich. If the lawyers weren't making so much money off of these lawsuits the issue wouldn't even exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Chief, You are Correct. The Drunks have the option of Sobering up, while the Stupid simply keep on posting.........
    And then we have those Stupid Drunks.......

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    Psoted by Scarecrow
    Used to be when working on the backhoes and dozer we just stuck our hands in and got the job done. All kinds of greases and oils absorbing through the skin, that couldn't be good. We used to wash our hands with gasoline to get the dirt off. Gasoline is a wonderful solvent and cleaning agent.
    Well... that explains a lot.. but I think you may have drank some, too...
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